OK, then let’s either go back 14 years and 11 months and 29 days or say that the friend has been a CPA for 15 years and is now a cashier. It doesn’t change the argument.
The word “nurse” is perfectly adequate. The word “midwife” just sounds archaic and pseudo-professional to me. This is the 21st century.
By the way, are there any male midwives, and if so, are they called midhusbands?
The word “nurse” is fully as medieval as the word “midwife”.
Have you ever wondered why you feel such an overwhelming need to undermine the correctness of your position by wrapping it in utter douchebaggery? It’s a perfectly cromulent word that happens to make you twitchy. Get over it.
Homebirth is dumb, IMO, but certainly no one else’s kid is any of Rand Rover’s concern. That’s why we find him so adorable.
In the 21st century, the standard nomenclature for the profession is nurse-midwifery, and for the professional, nurse-midwife. Have you even read any of the info others have posted above?
There are male midwives, as I’ve repeatedly pointed out in both threads. An no, they are not called midhusbands, they are called midwives.
Or, in the case of my OB teacher, Mr. D.
How can men be nurses when they can’t lactate?
If you don’t think that ~ 6 years of formal education in nursing, with a specialization in obstetrics and women’s health, and 15 years of experience assisting at births, are relevant to assisting at births, then there’s no point in my wasting my time explaining it to you. But I have to wonder exactly why you think that med school plus a residency would qualify an obstetrician to do the same damn thing.
Heh, I was about to post basically the same thing, but with more space-age consonants. Like Homo-certified mechanic QWZX-34 or something. 
Midwife sounds too hippie pagan for Dio, but then again as you rightly point out nurse is just as ancient a word, only more common.
I didn’t say they couldn’t be midwives, I just asked if they existed.
Here are a few of your previous quotes that I am talking about:
You approach financial things (and apparently, when you aren’t emotionally invested, medical things) based on the necessity of choice. According to you people should be able to choose their own providers based on what they think meets their personal needs until you don’t agree with their choice, then they are horrible people who need to be told over and over again that their children are going to die. It seems like if you really believed all the “importance of choice” stuff you wouldn’t care that he and his wife want a home birth because it is what they believe is best for them and that seems to be the basis of your entire political philosophy. Otherwise it seems like choice only matters to you when it is saving you a few bucks in the process.
Whatever. It’s all going to be done by computers eventually anyway. You’ll have to call the Geek Squad if something goes wrong.
No, none. Next question.
Then you need to re-read my point which doesn’t say that the nursing or the CPA degree has anything to do with it. The point is that those qualifications are not mandatory* to perform the position.
*certain states exempt
Thank Christ for that, at least.
Naw, it’s not that. You can support “choice” and still be astounded at the stupid choices people make. Or, to paraphrase Voltaire, Rand disagrees with the choice, but (likely) supports his right to make it.
Here are the requirements for being licensed as an advanced practice nurse, a classification that includes certified nurse midwives, in Illinois. See the part where a graduate degree in the relevant speciality is required?
Here is the scope of practice for advanced practice nurses in Illinois. Look at all the neat professional medical tasks they can perform!
"c) The scope of practice of an advanced practice nurse includes, but is not limited to, each of the following:
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Advanced nursing patient assessment and diagnosis. -
Ordering diagnostic and therapeutic tests and procedures, performing those tests and procedures when using health care equipment, and interpreting and using the results of diagnostic and therapeutic tests and procedures ordered by the advanced practice nurse or another health care professional. -
Ordering treatments, ordering or applying appropriate medical devices, and using nursing, medical, therapeutic, and corrective measures to treat illness and improve health status. -
Providing palliative and end-of-life care. -
Providing advanced counseling, patient education, health education, and patient advocacy. -
Prescriptive authority as defined in Section 65-40 of the Act. -
Delegating selected nursing activities or tasks to a licensed practical nurse, a registered professional nurse, or other personnel. (Section 65-30 of the Act)"
Now explain to me how advanced nursing education is not relevant to performing these tasks, willya?
Well, for now we’ve already got the machine that goes PING. Can’t have a birth without that.
If you’re being serious, why not?
No, we were prepared.
The advantage is that you get complete attention, rather than a couple of minutes of grunting between tee times.