For the longest time I was willing to dismiss @Der_Trihs’s extreme statements as hyperbole, exaggeration for rhetorical effect. But with his latest post as quoted:
it’s just that the anti-abortion side only cares about hurting women so all the hand wringing about morality and religion are beside the point to them. They don’t care if they are factually in the wrong or what their religion or the law actually says; they just care that as many women as possible suffer and die.
It is with dawning horror that I realize that he means it literally. He really thinks that secret (or not-so-secret) cabals are motivated by nothing more than fiendish inhuman sadism. Against even what circumspection the power-mad or the sociopathic might exercise for tactical reasons; that they are literal Deros.
I can’t overlook this or give it the benefit of the doubt anymore. This is pure raving tinfoil hat nuttery.
Ehhhh…..I can’t read his mind, but I don’t think he genuinely means it that far. He just likes to season his posts with lots of hyperbole for fear that a weaker approach wouldn’t get the point across. His dial has to be set to maximum-10 for fear that a dial set at 7 or 8 wouldn’t be intense enough.
Gone totally insane? He’s been completely brain broken since at least the mid 2000s:
That said, “paranoid schizophrenic” is an actual diagnosed condition, I wouldn’t use it to describe someone who is just bat shit crazy.
I’m surprised he cares that anti abortion people supposedly want to make women suffer since he also thinks that all women want to entrap him with false accusations of rape.
Part of the problem here is that there aren’t two sides to the abortion debate; there are at least six. The pro-life crowd is not, in fact, motivated by making women suffer, but they had the poor sense to ally themselves with the anti-choice crowd, who are. And unfortunately, it’s the anti-choice crowd who now dominate American politics.
For what it’s worth, I enjoy Der_Trihs’ particular brand of crazy. For one, he’s predictable and consistent; he’s an ideologue, but his ideology has a positive intent. Two, he makes me think. I feel like I at least have to try on his extreme takes to see if I’ve missed something, rather than dismiss them out of hand. Lastly, he doesn’t argue in circles, refusing to concede a point, like a lot of the other crazies here. He makes his crazy point and goes away.
If Der Trihs announced 15 years ago exact things that are currently happening now, it would have been written off as hyperbole.
And here we are.
Rock on, Der Trihs!
This is a forum for old white people to pretend that they are more liberal than they actually are and when they hear actual leftist thought, they freak the fuck out.
NOT (!) a Pit mod, but I’ve flagged the title as probably too far for the current Pit title rules calling out posters. I’m ONLY mentioning this at all so that posters are careful to avoid any more back links containing the possible/probable insult until @miller can weigh in.
I agree with Der_Trihs more than I don’t. The quote in the OP is not entirely wrong or crazy. Much of what goes on now in the anti-abortion crowd at least Imples that they really don’t consider women, their feelings, their bodies, or their humanity important. It a small small step to enjoying the suffering. Policing the Womb if you will.
See, I would consider the quote in the OP to be entirely wrong or crazy. Yes, I get that it is very possible to read into it various “penumbral” interpretations that make a lot more sense.
Like, for example, the claim that antiabortion attitudes have a lot of baked-in systemic sexism that automatically tends to devalue female autonomy and happiness, even if the holders of the beliefs don’t consciously intend any such thing. Or that the “fetal personhood” claims aren’t logically consistent and sincere, based on rebuttals like the “fire in a fertility clinic” thought experiment, and so on.
But if you have to majorly reinterpret a definite assertion by a poster, even a poster who otherwise makes a lot of valid points, in order to make it acceptably sensible or defensible, that’s on the poster, not on the ones who are disagreeing with them.
I’d take this pitting more seriously if I didn’t have the OP pegged as a troll. But alas, seeing as I have them in ignore, I can’t even read what they wrote!
And just to be clear, I mean Lumpy. Absolute turd of a poster.
He used to piss me off so much but I think he talks more sense now than he ever has before. I don’t think his views have changed much, but mine sure have.
My method of interacting is to dial anything he says back by about 65% and then respond as if he’d actually said the more reasonable thing. It’ll save you a lot of grief.
For example, if he says that the sole purpose of pro-lifers is to enslave women and make them suffer, I would respond as if he had said “many people who are pro-life don’t give a shit about how much women suffer.” We have objective evidence this is true, as women have gone to the courts begging for their lives and have been slapped down.
See how not wrong he is?
Does it matter, really, whether they want to make women suffer or whether they are just okay with that happening?
Makes no difference to the women who suffer.
On the subject of sexual assault, though, I’m never going to see eye to eye with that dude.
Heh. Discourse just recommended me a thread from 2007 pitting him for his hyperbolic statements about pro-lifers. This isn’t anything new.
At this point what bothers me is when people in a Debate respond to what he actually said, because it derails threads. Der Trihs coming in to say something over the top and outrageous in an abortion thread is as predictable as the sunrise. We don’t have to litigate it every time, do we? We all knew this was going to happen.
I have no idea if he literally believes what he says to the extreme that he states. I’m not sure if it matters. But he’s not like that about every subject. Just the handful that get him riled up.
And I really once believed that most people in this country were basically good and reasonable and we’ve seen that turn out not to be the case, so in that instance, I was the fool and he was the truth-teller all along. There is not a doubt in my mind that the people currently in power -and many of those who put them there - are evil and want to hurt people. Believing anything else would be self-delusion.