And to further clarify that, none of those reasons justifies excluding males from the class entirely. These are anatomy tutes, there is no inappropriate behaviour, and your participation is not assessed. I just feel that excluding males entirely stems from an irrational fear by some females that males, no matter in what context, are animals.
Ink, if I’m understanding you correctly, you normally go to a female gyno, and she was unavailable, so she recommend you go to her colleague?
You need to tell your female gyno what her colleague said and did, and then, take all your records and exam results and make an appointment with Dr. You’re Too Fat Take Oral BC.
“Oh, Doctor? Remember when you tried to convince me to switch to oral birth control and said I was fat and had to resign myself that I was going to get fatter? Please take a look at these and tell me what they mean.”
Then sit back and watch his face turn six shades of red. Smile politely, gently remove the records from his hands, and sweep out of there like Queen Victoria, head high. “Maybe next time, Doctor, you will listen to your patient.”
Be well.
Go You Big Red Fire Engine- we’re not disagreeing, really, it’s just that you feel that the reason males are excluded “stems from an irrational fear by some females that males, no matter in what context, are animals” and I’m of the opinion that it it inappropriate for people of opposite genders who don’t have a strictly clinical relationship, or definite intimate reltaionship to touch each other in sexual areas.
It is inappropriate, not because “men are animals” but because the people involved do not have a doctor-patient, professional relationship.
It’s one thing for me to examine my husband, it’s another for me to examine a patient and it is yet another for me to examine the male classmate who has had a secret crush on me for years…you get me?
The first two relationships allow touching of private parts, with a patient because it is a totally professional relationship, with my husband because our relationship allows that level of intimacy. The third crosses a line- if we were not medical students I would never touch my friend there, but we don’t have the kind of professional detachment from each other to make that examination totally OK. There are strings attached that just aren’t there if the person is a paid model or a SO.
I was not talking about sexual areas when I was talking about the differences between sexes. I was mostly referring to the differences in muscle architecture, some bones and prominences differ etc. Our anatomy class spends some time on variation.
Anatomy requires a professional detachment, we are expected to be detached from our cadaver. If you don’t want to examine your friend, find someone you don’t know.
I can see no reason to completely exclude males from a class. I believe another reason is because some girls are self-conscious. That sort of rationilisation does not make sense to me. It is my experience that women are a lot crueler when it comes to physical appearances of other women.
I just do not get this.
Do you think a heart doctor who hasn’t had a heart attack is lacking in ability because they cannot truly understand the pain their patients are in?
Many in this thread have posted experiences with thoroughly wonderful and competent male gynecologists. There have also been stories here of terrible female gynecologists who presumably should know better.
Bottom line is there are good and bad doctors and I seriously doubt anyone could make a generalization that men are better at some aspects of medicine and women at others.
By all means go to the doctor that makes you feel most comfortable and if their sex is a part of that calculation so be it. You are the consumer here…you get to choose but do not suggest a given group of doctors are lacking somehow because of your hangups.
To go along with that–I have known some of the docs at work for almost 20 years. Most of them, I love 'em to death. BUT. When it comes to more private things like gyne exams, colonoscopies (haven’t had yet, thank Og) etc–I won’t go to them. Why? I trust them and would recommend them to most anybody–but I know them differently. I am friends with them (in a way). I don’t doubt for a minute that they would be professional and competent with me. But I am not comfortable with that level of relationship in someone I also work with. But, I think I am OT, so I’ll shut up.
Hijack Alert, maybe.
Hey, Go You Big Red Fire Engine, in another thread here in the BBQ Pit a few weeks back, you denied to me (and thus, the SDMB) that you were a medical student.
(Originally stated by me)
*(Originally stated by Go You Big Red Fire Engine) in direct response to my quoted question above. *
And yet you now claim that you get to cut up cadavers and to play Peeko with other students genitalia, yes?
Did you lie then, or are you lying now?
Fuck, you’re dim. I never said they let us “play Peeko with other students(sic) genitalia”. We do nothing of the sort. I wasn’t even thinking of genitals when I said sexual differences. If you haven’t noticed, men and women look very different.
I’m a final year anatomy/neuroscience student. At my university we are lucky enough to have cadavers to dissect in final year. Believe it or not, medical students aren’t the only ones given bodies to dissect. You would know this if you went to a good university. You do know what university is, right? It’s something you attend when you aspire to be more than a telemarketer.
Of course, we can all understand how you took a misconception and the fact that I dissect dead bodies to mean that I must be a medical student. Wait, no we can’t.
Let’s go through this again shall we?
I asked a simple question as to whether your pronouncement back in the previous thread, that you were NOT a MED student was correct.
You, with a lot of blustering and panting have declared that you are a “FINAL YEAR ANATOMY/NEUROSCIENCE STUDENT” and NOT a MED student!!
What the fuck are you then?
Oh shit, I’m so sorry…I’ve figured it out. You’re doing a diploma in Massage Therapy, right?
Damn. You’ve got me darls. I’ve never heard of a numinavesity. What’s it do?
I apologise, I would’ve been clearer but I didn’t realize quite how stupid you really are.
The most likely thing I could be going to university and be getting a major of anatomy and neuroscience would be a Bachelor of Science, you fucking moron.
And I’ll state this clearly for you (since you seem to be missing the basics in reading comprehension): I am a Bach. Science (Anatomy/Neuroscience) student.
Obviously. Fortunately it has an entrance exam to keep idiots like you out.
And this has…what…to do with the OP? Start your own Pit thread.
Mine is about my experiences with certain male gynecologists.
Inky.
Sorry Inky. Humble apologies. I’ve only had bad experiences with female gynaecologists, so my testimony will not matter here.
Just as an addendum, if GYBRFE wants to take me on in another thread, I’ll just warn her that I am a telemarketer, but I am not JUST a telemarketer. Heh.
S’cool - it’s dying a slow death anyway, but I imagine I’ll have more to say on Tuesday after I see the female Dr. who would also be my surgeon.
Wish me luck.
Oh - and someone said I should flounce in with my reports and do the Gina from Santa Barbara (remember that soap?) smile and walk out on the male doc who said I was fat? I considered it. Instead, I called their billing department and told them not even to bother with billing me for the appointment and not to submit it to my insurnace either and said exactly why. I felt gypped it was only a VM message I could leave (they never answer their phones), but hopefully some of the feedback will get back to the right people.
Inky
That was me. A phone call may not work…you may have to follow it up with a letter after you get the bill. You may also want to contact your insurance company and let them know.
It might be wise to consult with someone who has legal knowledge, perhaps an attorney who can speak up for you to them, and convince them to write your bill off? I don’t know if you are still considering suing the doctor for malpractice or not, but it might still be wise to consult one as to how to go about making sure the debt is scratched off their books and won’t come back to haunt you. Good luck with your upcoming appointment, keep updating as to when your surgery will be so I can send good thoughts your way.
Re: Arterial embolyzation
It didn’t do much for my pelvic congestion. But the procedure is simple so if it is a viable option for you, you might consider it.
It’s terrible that people have to find doctors based on an insurance list or a phonebook ad, but that seems to be the way it is. I am a working OB/GYN RN. I circulate in surgeries, care for post-op patients and take orders from all the docs. You would be shocked at who writes vauge pain control orders and who is on it. Who does sloppy follow-up care and who is meticulously, obsessively careful. Who answers questions as they plan their trip to the Phillipines and who listens.
Female doctors. And Male doctors.
I know a gifted gay male GYN surgeon who has the bedside manner of a wolverine and the hands of an angel. His patients don’t hurt; his pride would not allow it and their scars heal beautifully.
I’ve seen them all on their bad days and I see how they handle the stress and I see them day after day and year after year.
Your male doc sounds like an arrogant ass who possesses no gifts or compassion.
What do you call the person who scores lowest on their boards and still passes?
Doctor.