pldennison, you are an stale wad of cum.
Frankd6, you are the stuff that eats said cum’s shit.
fuck off, especially you, pld.
jb
Okay, but Sara, it’s hard to ignore someone who comes into an MPSIMS thread and starts making personal attacks. By your logic, if Phil didn’t like what we were posting, he should have just ignored it and went along with his life. However, he chose to come into the thread and call Homer, elmwood, and others single losers whose opinions didn’t matter. The least he could have done was start a Pit thread about it.
A total change of personality? No, we don’t want that. If he’s happy being a smug asshole, then fine, he can go right ahead. What we want is for him to realize that sometimes said smug, assholic behavior is not effective to proving a point, and that his behavior in the Beth thread was over the top.
You know Phil, have met him, and say he’s a nice guy. Good, great, fantastic. However, newbies, midbies, and anybody else who hasn’t met him or interacted greatly aren’t going to share your “he’s alright” attitude when they see him trashing people in MPSIMS.
And Phil, I really don’t see how Guin’s supposed “religious hypocrasy” means that she’s not allowed to call you out as an asshole. So far all I’ve seen you do in your defense is
a)say some crap about how you can “dish it out AND take it,” which means that you’re okay, or
b) Dredge up details about people from past posts revealing flaws that you think make them “not worthy” of pointing out your mistake. Get off your high horse, son. Everbody makes mistakes. This was one of yours, and we’re calling you on it.
Classy. Please continue with these extremely informative and important contributions to this thread. :rolleyes:
Nacho4Sara, wow. You really make a good point with the dumb little eye-rolling shit.
**I thought that he was being purposely cruel to point out how cruel the other posters were being. **
Right, Homer’s e-mail was full of such unmitigated vitriol and jerkiness that it warranted constant jabs about his dating status, being called a loser, and a completely uncalled for dredging up of a past thread to mock Tim’s self esteem.
Did you read what he wrote in the Beth thread? Not once was he mean or “cruel”. If you are going to stand up for pld, at least read what’s being talked about so you don’t come across so unflatteringly.
and btw, slight apology to pld. I meant to type “especially you, Frank”. I thought that pic Homer posted was the biggest asshole I’d ever seen, but I was wrong.
jb
It’s vastly amusing that you post this question right after you answer it…
You yourself admit that he’s informative in his posts to the Boards. This doesn’t deserve “special treatment”. It just means that we shouldn’t jump all over his ass when he’s less-than-cordial.
However, my original comment referred to his reaction to Homer/Elwood, NOT to the numerous “low-blows” that have been dealt in this thread. It’s EXTREMELY out of line to bring up past threads/posts just to insult someone else.
“Ha! You said [insert random stupid comment] a year ago! You’re a dummy-dum-dum!”
I’m sure I can search through everyone’s posts here and find something that was pretty idiotic. Like I said, bad form.
Nacho4Sara, wow. You really make a good point with the dumb little eye-rolling shit.
**I thought that he was being purposely cruel to point out how cruel the other posters were being. **
Right, Homer’s e-mail was full of such unmitigated vitriol and jerkiness that it warranted constant jabs about his dating status, being called a loser, and a completely uncalled for dredging up of a past thread to mock Tim’s self esteem.
Did you read what he wrote in the Beth thread? Not once was he mean or “cruel”. If you are going to stand up for pld, at least read what’s being talked about so you don’t come across so unflatteringly.
and btw, slight apology to pld. I meant to type “especially you, Frank”. I thought that pic Homer posted was the biggest asshole I’d ever seen, but I was wrong.
jb
I don’t know what the fuck is up with this.
Sorry.
jb
pld RE:Guinistasia
Yes, the Christian faith is supposed to be about forgiveness and love, but we’re only human and subject to human emotion. Even Christ lost his temper with the merchants at the temple.
Nacho4Sara
Have you read the other thread? Have you bothered to read any of the posts I’ve made where I say I AGREE WITH PHIL THAT WHAT THEY DID WAS WRONG. Christ, I’m getting sick of repeating myself to you people. If you had bothered to read anything here, you would see, Phil apologized to elmwood: “My beef was with Homer, and I dragged elmwood into it, and he caught the fallout. So I apologize to elmwood for my comments to him in that thread–they were out of line and irrelevant.”
to which I replied: “…now seeing his apology, I doubt I’ll have much else to say here.”
You know what that means? That means I no longer had a problem with Phil. We finally saw eye to eye on this point, and so I was done ragging him.
As for calling them losers, here’s what he said (bolding mine):
Here he calls elmwood who posted the link a loser. All elmwood did was post it and ask who would date her. This is where the problem started. pld has since apologized for this, so why are we still arguing about it?
My other problem was his implying that because someone is currently single, their opinions about dating or relationships don’t count as much as someone with an SO. I disagree here too, but that’s really a minor point and nothing I feel so strongly about to pursue it in the Pit.
Now for the end of your post Sara:
I call that being hypocritical. We’ll just have to differ here. Either way, it didn’t belong in MPSIMS. Attacks on other posters belong in the Pit. Someone with 4000+ posts should know that.
If you had read my posts instead of glancing over them to find points where you can argue with me, you would have seen where I’ve said numerous times that I agreed with what pld was saying, just not how he said it.
Well, Sara, when he jumps into an MPSIMS thread, attacking people (instead of taking it to the Pit) and takes it over, it’s kinda hard to miss him. As for what I hoped to accomplish, I was just hoping he would see my point of view, which he did, although he saw it due to Bear_Nenno’s post, not one of mine.
First of all, Crunchy Frog, I was not specifically addressing you, but everyone discussing the topic. Your quotes just gave context to what I was saying.
Moving right along:
And it’s hard to ignore a thread right smack in the middle of MPSIMS that bitches about some random woman trying to get a fucking date. That sort of vitriol is ridiculous, and it’s even more disgusting that people actually contribute to it.
Yes.
I think we’re just going to have to agree to disagree. I hardly think referring to someone in passing as “some loser” is an any way comparable to starting a pit thread about someone being cranky and hurting some widdle itty bitty feewings. Give me a fucking break.
I still think the posters in that thread were being childish. I think they were being juvenile. I think Homer’s sidechair analysis of her, while clearly trying desperately to be funny, was a tremendous waste of bandwidth. Where does anyone get off sitting in judgement of someone because of a page-long ad? Phil pointed out, and I agree, that someone who starts a thread about his low-self esteem hardly has any right to wag his finger at some stranger and say, “I think you have serious emotional problems and a severe underlying lack of self esteem. Do you see a psychiatrist? Most people who come off as “bitchy” simply have low self esteem and the need for constant reassurance of their self-worth by dehumanizing others.”
Then Homer writes:
Now, her thinking that is actually quite logical. It’s what I would think, and hey! I don’t have low self-esteem!
Crunchy Frog, I understand that you thought I was addressing you even though I wasn’t, and got pissed. My fault, I wasn’t attacking you. BUT if instead of typing that, I instead wrote that obviously you are a megelomaniac, you have issues with low self-esteem and are clearly hyper-defensive - wouldn’t that piss you off? That’s exactly what Homer did.
Thank you. I try. You should click on the “smilies” link and try to make your own. Then maybe you can learn how to quote.
Ok, sorry about that then, I thought you were addressing me.
Right here, and I believe I even told Phil this, I agree. I just didn’t like the way pld came in, kicking ass and taking people on all over the place, calling them names and telling everyone how wrong they were. That’s what the Pit’s for.
Here I will have to say that I thought jb’s post was well justified and hit the nail on the head. He made some very valid points which I believe you are just dodging because you cannot argue with his logic. :rolleyes:
To paraphrase pld from another thread:
Ever have one of those moments when you think to yourself, please don’t be on my side, please don’t be on my side - I’m having one of those moments now.
I hope you are making fun of Homer here. If not:
I must just be missing the logic of calling someone a stale wad of cum. I tend to think of someone posting, “You are an asshole because a. this, b.that, and c. Hi Opal!” more logical than calling someone semen.
Apparently everyone who agrees with Phil in this thread is somehow related to ejaculation. I volunteer to be the stale wad of cum that sticks to the headboard and won’t rub off even after repeated applications of Mr. Clean. 
Sara, just to clarify, here’s my post RE: the stale wad of cum comment from the previous page:
The :rolleyes: means I was being sarcastic, it was not directed at you. That whole bit about you dogding his valid points because you can’t argue with his logic was meant totally tongue-in-cheek. My paraphrasing of pld is how I feel about “the stale wad of cum” post.
yup. I don’t know how to quote.
Anyway, Nacho, I don’t want to get into a flaming match with you. But seeing as how this is the BBQ PIT (a place to bitch) and how angry I was with pld and frank, the post wasn’t out of line. Excuse me for forgetting that a flame is supposed to be “informative”.
Are you happy now, Sara? Wahoo, I quoted instead of bolding! Cuz with plain bolding you can’t tell what you wrote and what I wrote, you see.
Anyway, point to the place in Tim’s email where he was “clearly trying depserately to be funny” (btw, you wrote that). Show me where his email was cruel. If anything, it was a genuine email trying to give her an honest assesment.
Where the hell does somebody who has admitted having self-esteem issues get off telling someone else about their possible self esteem issues? Let’s see, could it be that somebody identified a problem within themselves, recognized it in someone else, and was trying to let the other person know?
Yeah, let’s disband AA!
insert stupid smiley here.
jb
Okay, it sounded to me like you were saying, “PL shouldn’t be allowed to get away with being an asshole. He should be forced to change his attitude and stop being an asshole.”
And my response to that was, “Hey, none of us is perfect. Why try to make PL perfect?”
It sounded to me like you were saying, “Everybody makes allowances for PL when he wants to throw his weight around and behave like an asshole.”
My response to that was, “Hey, nobody makes allowances for anybody like that around here. The minute somebody starts throwing his weight around and behaving like an asshole, watch the Pit threads start to proliferate.”
No?
Then beg pardon, I’m sure, for missing your point. What WAS your point, then?
It’s more like, if PL is going to act like an asshole, he should accept the consequences. And maybe so many people shouldn’t jump and attack somebody who calls him on it.
He acted like an ass, somebody opened up a Pit thread. I realize you have every right to come in here to his defense, but why?
If a friend of mine is acting like an asshole, and insults someone to his face, I wouldn’t stand up for him (not talking physically here). I’d tell him to stop being such an ass all the time.
jb
Yes, and here’s a Pit thread about one of pld’s personality quirks which people found annoying, and I am participating in. So why tell me to sit back and wait for the Pit threads to proliferate, when I’M ALREADY IN ONE?! You tell me to wait for a threa in the Pit, and when I post to a thread in the Pit, you’re telling me I shouldn’t worry about it. I’m not understanding your stance here, you seem to be contridicting yourself.
No, your response was to post in an extremely condescending tone as if I didn’t have the faculties to understand what was going on around me. The first part you got right - I didn’t think Phil should be allowed to be an asshole. But I never meant he should be forced to change his attitude. How the hell do you force someone to change their attitude? You can’t, and I realize that, but the number one rule around here is “Don’t be a jerk.” But pld can be a jerk because he makes some good points and can be funny and he’s intelligent? We can’t change him, but when he wants to go off on people, do it in the Pit.
My point was, pld was being an ass and when someone opened a Pit thread, the first responses were all from people agreeing that he can be an ass, but they’re used to it, so that’s ok then. I’m saying that’s not ok. Many people have been asses and been flamed for it, why let him off the hook just because we’ve gotten accustomed to it? No one has the right to be an asshole.
And I’m still wondering why you bothered to post to me in pld’s defense 2 hours after my post when I said, “…seeing his apology, I doubt I’ll have much else to say here.” I was done with this thread at that point. pld saw my side of it (or rather Bear_Nenno’s side of it, but it amounts to the same thing) and I had no further problem with him. I wasn’t trying to change him, I just wanted him to see why I thought he was wrong in what he did. He saw it, he apologized, I was going to let it go. Does that help clear up my point at all?
Well, since I was one of the posters who said “He’s an ass but it’s ok.” I would like to add something.
pldennison will never change. And some people think he is an ass, including myself at one point. However, because he will never change, and he does a lot more good than harm, I think it’s pointless to bitch about him. Or hold a grudge against him. Either accept that while he can be incredibly honest, intelligent and funny, he can also be a total jerk, and deal. Or ignore him all together.
The good he contributes to the SD community far outweighs any problems, or assholeishness (I just made that word up).
He can be an ass, so can you, so can me, so can anybody. I hope that if I act like an ass once in awhile, all my friends or acquaintences won’t give up on me and create an entire Pit thread in my honor.
DDG is right. You want him to be perfect. It’s not fair to expect that of anybody.
Yes, it does. 
I’m truly sorry that I sounded condescending, Crunchy. If it’s any consolation, one of the Better Half’s more common observations at this end is to tactfully point out to me that it’s possible to instruct the Offspring without lecturing like a teacher. He’s got the knack for it; I don’t. Vewy sowwy. Weawwy. 
I wasn’t saying, “Wait for the Pit thread,” I was trying to say, “Ignore the Pit thread.” It’s late in the day and my communication skills deteriorate rapidly after about 3 p.m.
So, you don’t think PL should be “allowed to be an asshole”. How are you proposing that we prevent this? Should we just call him on it every single time? Sort of an Asshole Patrol? Don’t fuss at me, I’m not being facetious, I’m serious. My point is, sometimes people are going to behave like assholes and there’s usually not much the rest of us can do about it, so unless one is personally involved, I think we should just all sit back and relax. You can make yourself crazy, calling the assholes out. Why bother?
As for the “2-hour” thing, I dunno what you mean, the clock ticks different at this end, I guess. I don’t look at the clock-time for the post, I just look at what was said. The reason I “bothered” to post was because I wanted to make the two points that I did, because I knew you’d come back to the thread and look, even though you might have said you were “done with it”. That’s the way it works, isn’t it?
So.
Okay, like Crunchy has said before, and like I said once, the newbies, midbies, and even some oldbies may have not run into Phil before. Hence, all they see is the assholishness. True, he’s not gonna change, and true, he contributes alot to the boards, but I don’t think that Guin was wrong by starting a Pit thread about him. Guin saw a poster being an ass, so she started a thread about it. That’s perfectly justified, and is done all the time.
I wouldn’t call starting the thread “giving up” on Phil. I think that, while his entire personality won’t change, it might just be nice if he realized that every now and then being an asshole isn’t the best way to get a point across. Maybe he’ll realize it, maybe he won’t. Either way, I think Guin was right for trying. We don’t want him to be perfect, we just want him to be another step away from an asshole. That way, all the good he does will get across to even more people.
But as both Nacho4Sara and Crunchy have said, it seems that everybody’s just going to have to agree to disagree on this one, since nobody seems to be getting anywhere.
Oh, and the correct spelling is “assholishness”. Please, no extra “e”.
Agree to disagree? Not necessarily. Seeing as how one of the primary rules here is “Don’t be a jerk”, maybe pldennison could turn it down a bit.
jb