pldennison, who the hell pissed in your Cheerios?

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I don’t think that pldennison did anything wrong. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and it wasn’t like he was really being a jerk at all. He made a small comment that was not all that inflammatory and people started to take issue with it.

What’s the big deal? So, he basically said “Let him among you who is without sin cast the first stone… PUT DOWN THAT ROCK, MA!” And? So what?

Granted, I may not aggree with what that lady posted in her personal ad. If I was single and trying to meet someone by perusing the personals, I wouldn’t respond to her. You know what? If someone replies to the people they don’t like instead of the people they are interested in, it is probably largely part of why they don’t have a bloody date in the first fuckin’ place.

Did anyone ever consider that browsing personal ads can be a good way to meet someone you may want to be friends with? It may also be a good way to meet someone you really like and who really likes you and you may have a good time. If you spend your time replying to ads you don’t like, you may not get meet anyone. But oh, it’s oh so entertaining. So is jerking off to a porn flick. So is sculpting a bust of Bea Arthur out of mashed potatoes at your Gramma’s Thanksgiving dinner. None of this is going to help you out in the date department, trust me.

In any case, I usually can agree with pldennison, and that’s okay.
Conversely, I usually get on quite well with Homer and jb_farley. In fact, in the thread the OP mentions, I can see where both parties are coming from. The problem for me is that I don’t give a fuck what either party does or does not do one way or the other. If Homer and jb want to write to that chic, more power to them. If pldennison wants to think that they are pathetic losers for it, fine.

What I don’t see is why anyone would think it’s any big deal. It’s not like pldennison’s opinion on the matter is earth-shattering or offensive. It’s just one dude’s take on a subjective situation. I understand that some have taken issue with his opinion, but hells bells, you’re not going to convince him otherwise, you know? It’s not a topic of much note. Arguing with anyone about this is a waste of time, because it’s solely a matter of opinion. it’s like arguing about whether or not you like jalapenos on your nachos.

But feel free to knock your heads against that brick wall of arguing semantic regarding a matter of opinion all you want. Feel free to beat that dead, bloated horse until it explodes and coats you with two-week old horseshit, if that’s what you like to do. Whatever blows up your skirt.

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Well, here’s the thing-all of us can be assholes, yes. BUT…if we are truly good people, shouldn’t we try and work on NOT being an asshole when we can?

I mean, is it so wrong perhaps to ask Phil if can’t just take any beef he has with anyone to the Pit? Perhaps I’m being a kiss up when I keep saying, Take it to the Pit, but the one thing I like about the SDMB is that debates aren’t allowed to degenerate into name-calling. We have a special place for that.

I don’t hate the guy-I don’t know him that well. I don’t hate anyone here. But if I were going around acting like Phil, I’d probably have someone start a “Guinastasia is a Scum-Licking Bitch” or something like that. Hell, I don’t see ANYONE else around here get away with being so fucking two-faced.

And Sara-fine, you met Phil and say he’s a really nice guy. Maybe he is-he seems very intelligent and has a lot of good things to say. But his ATTITUDE that I see pisses me off. And if something pisses me off, I’m not going to hide it. I’m gonna call someone on that. You guys are free to start a Pit thread about me, if you think I’m out of line. And you wanna hear something incredibly stupid? If I WAS getting out of line, I’d appreciate someone telling me. Because, unlike our friend Phil, I don’t go out of my way to be an asshole, and when I do step out of line, I want someone to let me know. So I can appologize, calm down, and move on. THAT, my friends, is how it works.

I don’t care who you are, or how long you’ve been here. Like I said, is the SDMB getting a little too cliquish, methinks.

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Have you ever seen a trillion dollars? Does that mean it doesn’t exist?

just because you don’t notice that people speak their minds in less than cordial ways across the board doesn’t mean it isn’t prevalent.

I “get away” with this all the time, and no one has yet to start at pit thread about me. Well, there was that one time shortly after that one former Doper lost his fucking mind, but we don’t want to count that, do we? In any case, the point is that I (and about half a buttload of others) don’t think pldennison was being overtly nasty. And I think (and possibly so do about half a buttload of others) that you are being overtly whiny.

But then again, I don’t know you. You may just be whiny all the time, and this may be accepted by various cliques, so I won’t whine about your whiny-ness.

I don’t even know why I keep reading what you post in this thread, Guinastasia. It makes me feel like I’m watching two blind-folded dental hygenists trying to make a circle on an Etch-A-Sketch.

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I don’t whine. I BITCH.
:smiley:

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Well in that case, nevermind. wink

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Holy Shit! I’m away for a few hours and I miss a tempest in a teapot!

Oh No! Some people are less than gracious to others on the boards. And other people (who are always 100% conscious of their fellow posters’ feelings) call them out about it! A veritable clash of the titans ensues!

Oh! The Humanity!

Tell me, was this good form?

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You, sir, are an idiot. (Wow, deja vu!)

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What the hell…?

So - whenever someone pisses off someone else, (which is what happened here) and their complaints are taken to the Pit, it’s a “tempest in a teapot”? So, what, pray tell, is the point of the Pit? Why aren’t you mockingly saying in every Pit thread "Oh! The Humanity!" Because apparently it must all be unnecessary. And whenever someone gets pissed off by someone else, they should just shut up about it? What? I don’t get your point at all.

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From what I gathered (at least from 3 or so posts, admittedly scanty), Frank is an asshole. Maybe only where Homer’s concerned, I don’t know. The first time I noticed the name was when I noticed the sickening posting associated with it.

Homer, have you slighted him in the past? Cuz it seems as if he has it in for you. Unless he has it in like that for everybody, in which case I don;t want to remember the username, no matter if it would save my mother.

Anyway, he feeds off of hate, like a symbiotic puberific lice on the crotch of dopery.
jb

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You know what? Duck Duck Goose I see your points. I can only hope you see mine. No we can’t change anybody here, nobody’s perfect, but when they do something own up to it. That’s what I was saying. pldennison did just that. I no longer have a beef with pld, so I really don’t know why I keep coming back here. Truth is, I’ve found previous conversations with him elightening and informational. And since I no longer have anything to argue with pld about, I’m gonna leave it at that. We’re never going to all agree in this thread, and we’re just going to have to accept that.

Duck Duck Goose, I’m going to take a page from your book, and not worry about this anymore. If I post to this thread again, please smack me.

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Sara:

Guess what, Sara? I’m not all grins and giggles all the time. I’m sorry to disappoint you, but I wasn’t writing that as humor, nor was I desperately trying to do anything else with it. I was simply stating my opinion on her ad.

Why? If a person is deaf, does that preclude him from determining if others are deaf? If a person is jealous, does that make them less able to determine if someone else is jealous? Having a condition does not make it impossible, nor incorrect, to ascertain that another person has the same condition. How is it hypocritical?

In addition, you allow the implication that you find it agreeable to poke fun at a person’s psychiatric condition. Do you? If so, why is this territory any more allowable than poking fun at a person’s appearance (which you roundly condemn in this thread) or sexuality? If not, then why do you condone Phil’s behavior?

I assume you’re talking about my response to Phil earlier in this thread. I made no attempt to harness logic nor persuasion in my earlier post. If you’d like, though, I can give you a point-by-point list of things Phil does that paint him as an asshole.

Here’s a few:

FYI, I had no intention of inciting anyone’s anger.

Well, when I, and other normal-functioning humans, are not trying to incite someone’s anger, I usually avoid such words as “loser”.

who don’t have girlfriends, significant others, or even remote prospects

The obvious implication being that said persons are unattractive, and lack even the basic social skills required to obtain a mate. :eek: Nice lack of intentions there.

if some other loser

Again the implication that elmwood and I are both losers. This is not polite discourse, here.

Because unlike some people in this thread, I have a wife.

Wherein he decides that his proud accomplishment of obtaining a spouse somehow elevates him from our lowly status, as well as making it somehow appropriate for him to participate in the same “childish behavior” that he rails against the opposite side for.

Finally, he spouts that I bet I know as much about her religion as she does, which is making a pretty big assumption about Guin’s knowledge (or lack thereof), and, making assumptions about a person is the exact same thing that he was railing against us about.

Jables:

Frank keeps calling and calling me asking for a handjob but I just simply won’t go out with him. He has carefully sculpted his sexual frustration into anger. I think I’ve read a full 20 posts from Frank in my time on this board, and at least 5 of them have been, directly or indirectly, intended as some sort of jab at me. I know exactly what it’s about (email me if you’d like to know).

Frank:

You wanna continue discussion, why don’t you email me? I know a) that you don’t like me and b) why you don’t like me, no sense cluttering up the board with your BS on the matter. Do the mature thing (if you’re capable) and attempt to ignore me if you’re so tremendously disgusted by my presence. I attempt to do the same with you.

Pepper:

See, Pep, my beef with Phil is the same as my beef with Frank. I know he doesn’t like me :rolleyes: and I know why. He claims:

Yet he seems to know my past transgressions intimately, and, on top of that, the majority of the time that I do see him, he’s being a complete asswipe, whether it’s to me, or to some other random person.

Also, when he says “threads like this one really do a lot to help enforce the reputation of the SDMB as a place where smart folks hang out,” that’s basically a blanket insult to any participant in MPSIMS. Well, golly gee, Phil the Mystic, since when has MPSIMS been the same as GQ or GD?

Finally, from what I’ve heard, Phil is rather soft spoken IRL, which tells me that he uses the computer as a bully pulpit to say things he would never dare say face to face. This is also a right reprehensible action.

–Tim

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Whatever.

I don’t hate Homer. I don’t even know him. I just found it, shall we say, ironic for him to be calling others out for being inconsiderate.

Tim, for the most part, I find your posts highly humorous and entertaining. Believe it or not, I like most of what you have to say. When I don’t, I let you know about it. If I’ve singled you out at all, it’s because I felt you were thick skinned enough to take it. I especially respect the fact that you’re willing to live out on the edge and then share your experiences with the board.

You big whiny baby.

The rest of you:

I fart in your general direction.

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While it is not inherently hypocritical, it is somewhat less than advisable over the Internet. I think even you, Homer, would agree that people in general, and nonprofessionals in particular, should not attempt to diagnose medical or psychiatric conditions over the Internet. How much less advisable is it, then, for such a nonprofessional diagnosis as your very first contact with someone? Especially when the context could be exactly as obfuscatriast described it? Do you see my point, or am I just pissing in the wind, here?

“Normal-functioning”? I thought you said you suffered from depression, which is normally considered a dysfunction that requires treatment. Whatever.

In any case, while it certainly doesn’t make it right for me to do so (and I since apologized to elmwood), you are the last person on the SDMB entitled to take umbrage at such things. You have a long, sordid history of doing exactly the same thing.

Uh, no, the implication doesn’t bear on your attractiveness at all. For all I know, you’re Pierce Fuckin’ Brosnan. The implication is that maybe your own dating skills are not so polished as to put you in a position to rate others’.

Well, not elmwood. And if you’re going to take people to task for polite discourse, I think Enderw23 is a perfect subject. Anyway, I think other people supported my point if not my choice of words, which is that what you did was stupid.

Uh, no. The point was that maybe I’m in a better position to critique someone’s dating skills than you are.

Assuming her religion is “Christianity” and not “some syncretic thing I made up,” that bet stands. Any takers? Despite my distaste for religion, I am generally well-acquainted with the Christian flavor, having been a practitioner for many years. Even outside the bounds of individual interpretation, there are definite no-nos within the tenets that cross denominations. Anyhow, Guinastasia and I have moved past that argument, or so I’m told.

Really? Why?

The difference between “this thread and threads like it” and “this entire forum” are so glaringly obvious that I am dumbfounded that you would even try to get away with such an egregious mischaracterization. Whatever else you are, you’re smarter than that.

IMHO, the fact that it isn’t the same type of forum does not mean people get to abandon facts or start threads like the one that started this fracas. Let me rephrase that: They have every right to start them, but it reflects poorly on the SDMB and the posters who participate in them.

Ha! First of all, while I may be nice IRL, I am anything but soft-spoken; and rarely have I said anything that I wouldn’t say to someone’s face. Second of all, I have two words for you: “Greasy Mexicans.” You say that a lot in real life, Homer? You are the very king of saying things online you could never get away with offline. You specialize in it.

You know what the sad part is? You’re obviously intelligent, frequently funny, and have quite a bit of knowledge in some very specialized areas (auto repair, highway safety, Wesley Willis). What a frigging waste to spend your time e-mailing probably unwarranted long-distance psychiatric diagnoses to utter strangers. As I said, you pull this crap over and over and over, then backpedal and say, “Oh, that isn’t what I meant. Well, it’s what I meant, but I was angry/depressed/drunk/high. Anyway, it was a joke, but you didn’t get it. Or you did, but I told it wrong.”

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Deaf = low self-esteem? Hardy har har.

Do you have a psychiatry degree? What about a Ph.D. in psychology? Since I am pretty gosh darn sure you don’t, I therefore ascertained that you are full of shit.

I hate that sort of behavior. I’m thinking of once when a certain poster posted that she was sad and depressed. Next thing ya know, 400 posters had provided links to mental health websites, 800-numbers for emergency mental health care, and “sidechair analyses” that basically said she needed Prozac. She said, “No, my therapist says I do not need anti-depressants.” Posters reply, “Get a new therapist. I am not a doctor, but I can clearly see you have a serious problem that requires medical attention.” Yada yada yada.

Sure, you might see that as caring, but now the poor poster has to preface every fucking post she makes about being unhappy by saying, “Please don’t tell me I need therapy. I am seeing a therapist and he thinks I don’t need anti-depressants. Thank you.” How fucked up is that? Some people have a condition and go around diagnosing everyone and their mother because they are the expert know-it-alls. You know what? I get kidney infections all the time - serious ones. I have to go to the emergency room. I had Psuedo Tumor Cerebrum and missed four weeks of my senior year, and still have to get spinal taps once a year to check on my condition. But I don’t go to everyone who complains of a fucking headache or who says they have cramps and explain to them exactly why they need medical attention for this or that condition, do I?

And there is not an iota of possibility that you cared about that woman anyway.

Perhaps I should start a seperate pit thread about this, but I don’t see it happening enough to really upset me. Your behavior toward poor Beth - who you wouldn’t date, but definitely wanted some attention from, for whatever sick reasons - was out of line.

JB-Farley - did Beth join AA? Or Low-Self Esteem Anonymous? Did she ask for a sidechair analysis from the SDMB? When she does, please contact me and I will publicly retract my statements. But I don’t see that happening, oh - ever.

Please explain HOW, in any way, that is Phil’s fault? You think PHIL is a member of a clique? Are you retarded? Seriously, if you read MPSIMS a lot, you will clearly see that there are definite, clearly-delineated cliques there that are much more annoying than anything Phil ever did. Is it because some of us meet IRL? Yes, that can make you post together sometimes. But nothing to the degree I see all the time.

If you wanna move your odium from Phil to cliques, be my guest. But please read MPSIMS for, oh, say 2 hours and then go at 'em. I’ll back you up.

I feel like I’m banging my head against a brick wall. The central point of disagreement seems to be over whether Phil was out of line in posting in the Beth Thread. I think he was simply speaking in the tone of the other posters to point out what assholes they were being. You think the minute Phil decided to make a side comment to Homer, he should have went to the Pit and wasted a whole thread on it.

That explains why the Pit is so full of boring whines and name-calling lately.

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First off, I’m not very crazy on asking people if they are “retarded” as an insult. Call me too PC, but I think that’s a pretty shitty term.

No, I didn’t mean it was Phil’s fault-I simply said, how many posts or how long a person has been here shouldn’t be an excuse for how they act. That’s all. It could be directed at ANYONE. So, if say, So and so has been here since the board began, and has 50,000 plus posts, does that give so and so the right to be a jerk? No, of course not.
So the argument that Phil has been here for so long and has this many posts isn’t really a very good one. THAT is what I meant about “cliquish”, not that people tend to gravitate into groups.

As far as Phil taking his beef with Homer to the Pit, yes it should’ve been. They BOTH should have taken it to the Pit, which was the reason for this thread in the first place. If you have problems with a poster-THAT’S what you do: take it to the Pit, to avoid clogging up the other forums with that stuff.

And now, since I’ve pretty much settled things with Phil and all that, I shall press Preview and Submit.

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My bad.

Are you mentally disabled?

Are you feeble-minded?

[sarcasm]You know, I’m gonna have to e-mail you about this, Guinistasia. I think you’re blatant dismissal of logic has to do with your poor education, which clearly stems from the lack of religious morals in America. I went to public school, and I can clearly see that you did as well, and therefore your education is rudimentary at best. You see, I’ve been there. I KNOW! I really think you should re-enroll in a Catholic high school and do it all over. I have some more to say about this; I’ll e-mail you and then post it here for everything to read and laugh about. Now that I think about it, maybe you should see a therapist as well…[/sarcasm]

If you have figured things out with Phil, then fine. AFAICS, you solved the beef you had about his analyzing your religious viewpoints, but we still haven’t reached any conclusions about the Beth thread. And since that was what you started this whole thread about, I’d like to see some conclusions come of this. Of course, that’s a silly hope, but we’ll see.

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My opinions on the Beth thread weren’t the point-it was how Phil’s objections were being carried out. I’m not going to give my opinion on that, because it had nothing to do with this thread.

No, I’m not “feebleminded.” However, I think it’s fucking insensitive to use something like that as an insult. It’s like saying, “Are you crippled?” “Are you bipolar?” Etc etc…
THAT pisses me off.
'Scuse me.

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I apologize wholeheartedly that by asking you if you were born stupid or just blatantly choosing to blindly ignore logic, I somehow managed to insult every fucking person that ever any sort of disease or mental disorder ever in the history of the fucking world.

OK? Are we all PC and happy now? Everybody OK?

What in God’s name are you talking about now? You started THIS Pit Thread about how Phil was being a gwumpy lil Mr. Meany-head with pee-pee in his cereal, specifically citing the Beth Thread and providing “translations” for every word he posted IN THAT THREAD. THE BETH THREAD. You already gave your opinion on “that.” IN THE OP. Of THIS THREAD. It has EVERYTHING to do with THIS THREAD!! It is in the OP of THIS THREAD!!!

Seriously, am I speaking Swahili?

I’ve always enjoyed your posts up to this point. I feel like I’m arguing with a five-year-old with her hands over her ears and her eyes squinched shut, screaming “NONONONONONO!” Please make sure you are posting in the right thread, okay? Because you are not making a lick of sense at all.

I know this is going to come as a shock to you all, but I agree with Lexicon. This is not a big deal. “Loser” is certainly not the biggest insult I can think of. And if Homer had such an issue of it, he could have taken it to the Pit.

Ok, read this slowly please. Phil has been here a long time. He has posted many, many times. This does not excuse him if he were to be an asshole; it simply means that people have gotten used to him, he’s gotten comfortable here, and he feels as though he can justly call someone a loser if it is warranted. Enough people respect him and his insight to respect his decision to call Homer a “loser.”

Likewise, if he was the big bad meany-weeny poster you make him out to be, he would have been banned a long time ago.

Now, while you can use Phil’s words and posts against him, you can say “Phil is an asshole because he said this, that, and the other,” Phil is not allowed to justify his posts by saying, “BUT, you said this, that, and the other, and I replied based on that,” even if all those posts directly relate to this issue at hand??

Homer says:

BUT Phil is NOT allowed to say, “Look at all the threads you started? ‘Dead babies! I’m high! I suck!’ THAT’S why you are a LOSER!” back?

Phil is an asshole because he called Homer a “loser,” whereas Homer said:

And somehow PHIL is the bad guy? Because he called Homer a LOSER, whereas Homer attacks just about everything that matters to him as a person?

Sure. Makes sense to me. I think my head just exploded at the inconsistency of this absolute, utter and complete nonsensical bullshit.

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sigh
Fine…I thought the Beth thing was funny, but Phil did have a good point. So did the others. I just thought he was being self-righteous and I just used that thread as an example.
However, I really don’t think what Homer did was such a big deal.

Look, I think we’re now starting to beat a dead horse.
I started the thread. I went over what bothered me. It was dealt with.