Fera, obviously.
Thanks. I was wondering because I thought that feral pigs were once domesticated pigs that had gone feral, and were therefore native to nowhere.
That’s pretty much what they are.
In the mists of time gone by farmers kept pigs and let them run around in the woods to eat the mast. That is acorns and other nuts that fall, what ever roots they can dig up and pretty much anything. They’ll eat garbage. Your garden. If the sounder of hogs decided your baby calves or pet cat was edible they’d get et, as well.
Bad ju-ju.
But it doesn’t take an AR, to rid your place of them. It takes dedication, great hog fence. Electric fences. Dogs.
And call your Game and Fish commission. They have tons of help.
Like any feral or non-native species they most likely will never be eradicated. You can mitigate the problem.
This kid, the shooter, never needed, never should have had access to the gun and possibly did not need that father.
No! We’ve got to teach people that when they find out their minor children are making death threats to other people, they need to STOP BUYING THEM GUNS.
That’s the lesson from the Oxford Shooting trials and it should be the lesson from this one. This has nothing to do with merely being the parent of a murderer and everything to do with a reckless disregard for human life, to include through their own positive acts that have predictably culminated in death, and not mere acts of omission.
Perhaps we are saying similar things w different words.
I think Dad was proud of the death threats and was eagerly abetting the psycho terrorist kid he’d been nurturing for a decade+.
Some parents are eyes screwed shut head in sand innocent by commission if guilty by omission in the wacked-out crimes their offspring commit.
This guy is not one of those.
I am sure that’s our intent, but I am trying to put more of a razor’s edge on the underlying basis for the charges, in part because I saw time and again how, in the Oxford shooting thread, other posters were (perhaps disingenuously) lamenting about how they feared the dangerous precedent that comes from holding parents accountable for the crimes of their children, as if there was nothing more to it than that.
There is so much more to it than that, and I think it’s important to make that explicitly clear early and often. Although my opinion might change as more facts become known, based on current reporting it seems pretty obvious that the father here not only raised a murderer, but actually provided him with the weapon when it should have been painfully obvious to any marginally responsible adult that this child should not have had access to any kind of firearm, let alone one of his very own (and an assault rifle at that!).
Good job charging the dad. That timeline looks really stupid, buying the gun for a present AFTER the online threats were discovered and were questioned about.
Understand and agree w the importance of your mission.
I’ve heard that many of them are, and instead of going to slaughter when they reached a certain size, they just keep on growing, and they also breed like, well, pigs.
I heard about that too. Good! It’s about time parents were held accountable for their kids’ actions, if they are themselves at fault.
I understand that even before this, both parents had outstanding warrants and long criminal records.
Look up the Kip Kinkel case from the 1990s. Had this boy not killed his parents before taking his weapon to school, I believe that they too would have lived out the rest of their lives in prison.
I wish I could “like” this post, because it merits it. Unfortunately, you’re probably right.
Just as in the Sandy Hook case. Adam Lanza killed his mother before driving to the school.
Not to blame any one other than who placed the gun in his hands, the whole incident with the online posts, the visit by the FBI, CPS, the school knowing, the new threats at the school. It all fell thru the cracks.
I’m not sure this is fixable, practically. But someone needs to be aware it happens. Not asleep on the job.
2+2+2, yada yada…
If it wasn’t just so sad, (like the other 45 or so this year), it would be a comedy of errors
I really don’t think things “fell through the cracks”. That rifle was given to the boy as a birthday present after they were both openly investigated by several agencies. This was an open “Fuck you” to the government.
Yes. Agreed.
But someone didn’t take it seriously enough. Dad wasn’t going to. Obviously. He actively engaged.
The FBI should’ve sent an agent to his new school and said “This kid is a threat”
Before it’s said the FBI has bigger problems. I do not agree. Kids and schools need to be protected. It’s 45 shootings this year. I’m sure there wasn’t evidence beforehand of each one. But I bet some were known threats.
That’s not very many agents, to spend one day with school admin. telling them what to do.
OK. So FBI Agent Fred goes to visit school principal Penny. Here’s the conversation.
FBI Fred: This new student of yours, Jim Jones, is a real wacko. We’ve had our eyes on his parents for decades and on him for the last few years as he grew out of diapers. His parents are total losers, wigged out on violent propaganda and they’re all paranoid. Mom & Dad both have rap sheets as long as your arm. The kid loves guns, explosions, and probably tortures cute fuzzy woodland creatures.
Principal Penny: Good heavens! Why haven’t you or the sheriff arrested him / them?!
FBI Fred: Ma’am, none of that is illegal. If we had evidence of animal torture then state Fish and Game could write him a citation, but we don’t have credible evidence, just rumor and innuendo.
Principal Penny: Can’t you at least disarm this family of truly nutty gun nuts?
FBI Fred: That would be up to the state authorities, Ma’am. There’s no Federal law permitting us to do that. In this state there’s no state law either. Just between you and me, even if there was a state law, your county sheriff would be the one responsible for enforcing it, and he would refuse. “Constitutional sheriff” and all that.
Principal Penny: So there’s nothing you can do?
FBI Fred: Not until after he shoots up your school, no Ma’am. Then we can carefully investigate all the bullet holes. Law enforcement in the USA is essentially reactive. We are powerless until after a crime is in progress or has been completed. And being an active danger to everyone around you is not a crime.
Principal Penny: So what should I do?
FBI Fred: Make a plea to your school district for more money for armed guards, and a plea to the taxpayers to fund better mental health care for all citizens. Oh yeah, and keep your office door closed and locked.
Principal Penny: In other words, I’m screwed. As are my staff and my kids? We just sit here like sitting ducks until the time bomb goes off one morning? That’s all you can offer me?
FBI Fred: Sad to say, Ma’am, that’s pretty much it. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have an appointment with Principal Paul at the next school down the road. He’s got a Jim Jones too. Here’s my card; call me after the shooting stops. Good day, Ma’am. Oh, and good luck.
Yeah, we don’t have (and don’t want) a system of preemptive probation enforcement for someone who so far hasn’t been actually charged or sentenced for a crime.
Granted completely. Law enforcement should be, must be reactive.