I’m not really getting all the outraged, honestly. All these weekly gaffs are becoming a Rorscharch test of some sort. If you don’t like who’s talking, then you see horrible, terrible things. Yeah, I know turn-about is fairplay for Hillary, but two wrongs don’t make a right.
I think it was a regrettable thing she said, given current events, but I don’t see malicious intent behind the words. I want her to drop out, too. But not over some faux-outrageous thing like this.
In isolation, I agree with this. But I believe this latest comment crystallizes in many people’s minds a nagging sense they’d had of Clinton’s duplicity and underhanded tactics. This is the last turn of the lens ring that brings the image into sharp and unmistakable focus.
Have you ever had a friend or relative who repeatedly did or said things that didn’t sit quite right with you, but because you held that person in high regard, you found ways to excuse each episode? Then finally, one last thing said or done forces you to confront the reality of the image that’s been forming subconsciously, that’s made up of all these little pieces suddenly brought into focus by the kaleidoscope.
I think this is part of why her comment has had such a powerful impact.
That’s the one silver lining in this cloud, EddyTeddyFreddy. It gives people the opportunity once again to see the classiness of the Obama campaign compared to the crassness of the Clintons. Your friend or relative example is exactly where Obama found himself when he severed all ties with his former pastor. He did the right thing, and at the right time. If only the people Hillary has hypnotized could do the same.
If Hillary gets run out of town over this, it is double extra un-good. Her supporters (rightly, in my estimation) will think that she has been a victim of an irrational over-reaction to a clumsy but innocuous analogy. That will make the needful healing and uniting that much more difficult, the McCain camp is giddy with glee.
Obama is being classy about this because that is in his nature, and I like that. But even if it weren’t, the political realities simply do not permit him to exploit this. He needs the support of the Hilllary people, and the stakes are just too damned high! There is nothing good to be gained out of this shitstorm, it is a gift to the enemy.
Dear Sen Obama: stomp on this. Stomp on it with both feet. You’ve already got the nomination, this gives you nothing you won’t already have. Perhaps McCain is such a screw up, it won’t matter, but the risk is too great.
So you are suggesting that Obama might be assassinated? Have you no decency - don’t you know that Ted is dying?
Regards,
Shodan
And if I haven’t made my case, pals and gals…just look who’s gloating.
Of course, her mistake was not that she actually meant anything bad, but that she said something that her opponents can pretend to be outraged about, and whip up real outrage from the sheep.
It’s too bad that in a time with real issues, like an actual fucking war and shitty economy, politics is still primarily about this semantic mining horseshit.
You’re a better woman than I. I’m secretly, pettily hoping for some kind of big, public, batshit-insane meltdown. Something that would result in both Hillary and Bill being forever barred from a 50-mile radius of Washington DC.
I cut him some slack; it’s been a bad year to be a tighty righty, so when he gets a meager bone to gnaw on, it is not surprising he pretends it’s a ribeye.
He did that already. He praised the cum sucking slut in Puerto Rico, just like he’s done everywhere else. And by the way, don’t pin this shit on him.
How to put this delicately…what the bleeding fuck are you talking about?
She’s not trying to scare Obama; she’s trying to scare his supporters – the voters (so that polling will turn and make her look more electable), the superdelegates so that they’ll move back toward her out of fear, even the people deciding on the FL/MI issue. Early in the campaign, a lot of African-Americans in particular were saying that they wouldn’t support Obama because they feared for his life. That meme has largely disappeared, except as a subtle fear in the background of the campaign. Clinton’s remark brought it front and center again – look how much press it’s getting, regardless of whether that press is supportive of Clinton.
But all of that aside, and I really don’t know what her intentions were, referencing the assassination of a primary candidate when you yourself are a primary candidate is crass and disturbing. It’s as if President Bush was asked about his agenda for a trip to Dallas and said, “Well, I’m going to have to beef up my Secret Service protection – we all remember what happened to JFK.” There is a time and a place to remember people whose lives were taken in the course of democracy, but to use it as an analogy or to make a political point just feels creepy. (Heh, I realized while I was typing this that I had crinkled up my face in a “sucking lemons” sort of expression. That’s exactly the way Clinton’s comment made me feel.)
According to Drudge the primary election season started later in 1968 (and I’m sure this info is pretty easy to check)
So, there would have been no reason for RFK to get out of the race in June since the primary season had started a mere three months prior.
Now, the question is, did Hillary know this or not? Is she either misleading the public or unaware of election history?
And correct me if I’m wrong, but hasn’t California already held their primary and Clinton won it? So what’s the point in bringing up California in the first place?
I cannot deny that the idea of such would give me a tiny, tiny bit of satisfaction. Deep down.
Of course, you are right. I don’t know why I didn’t think of that before. :smack:
In truth I don’t want her to drop our until after South Dakota and Montana. I want her slowly fading away and allowing support to coalesce. In short I want her to play nice and be somewhere near as good a loser as Obama has been a winner.
Behaviors that divide the party right now, words that anger Democrat against Democrat, must stop.
I for my part will do my best to control my temper and my own reactions to what I see as unforgivable behaviors.
Obama and his actual team have been amazing in this regard, btw, tolerating all sorts of acting out by Clinton’s team and herself. Leave it as they have: Clinton’s words are regrettable and have no proper place in this campaign. End.
And I must say that I have been disappointed by some of the misogynistic rhetoric by some who support Obama in response to this recent dust-up.
Those who call her “bitch” or “cum sucking slut” need to get a hold of themselves and shut the fuck up. Even in the Pit. Anger I understand, I am angry myself. But you embarrass yourself with that shit and give Clinton supporters good reason to not want to associate with you. At least use that creative brain power you’ve got and come up with a good vicious diatribe that isn’t gender based!
Why is it any more misogynistic to call her “bitch” as it is to call her “she”?
Because one is a sexual epithet which denigrates her based solely upon her sex and the other is just a pronoun?
Similarly, is it not racist to call Obama a “jungle bunny” when he does something that pisses me off because that just happens to be a epithet used in conjunction with black people?
Are we to assume you refer to your wife, your mother, and/or your daughter as a bitch when speaking of her?
He didnt call her a bitch because she’s a woman, he called her a bitch because she’s a bitch.