No problem Zazie 
Unfortunately sexual abuse is more common than most people want to believe. If they weren’t so trite I’d start an ask the thread for survivors of sexual abuse.
As Sylphisone said … look out for your children!
As I said before, what’s going on in this family is an appalling lack of judgement and parental guidance. Well, when you have a 13 yo kid dating a 19 yo with her parents’ knowledge and approval, you get a girl who drops out of seventh grade to have a baby. When that girl is never taught any sexual responsibility (she’s been pregnant, let’s see…five kids living with them, 1 for adoption, 2 miscarriages, 2 abortions…10 times in the last 14 years by to many men to think about) or parenting skills, she becomes a woman who lets her 13 yo daughter’s 20 yo boyfriend spend the night sleeping in her daughter’s room with the door closed. That boyfriend’s out of the picture, so now the mother drives her pregnant teenage daughter 30 or more miles each way to visit her new 21 yo boyfriend overnight.
This poor child never had a chance, and the way things are going, this baby’s not going to have much of one either.
Something I’m wondering …
Of course this is a matter of opinion, but should this 11 year old keep the baby?
I think he needs to take a running jump into a woodchipper set on Fargo frappe.
There are not words harsh enough to excoriate him with.
I see no reason why y’all need to feel so restrained.
Off to the pit.
Given his location, he may not die, but the hard labor, chain gangs and 120 degree heat might get to him, eh? (I’m not sure if tent city and/or a chain gang are possible punishments for him, but if you want harsh punishment possibilities in the United States, this is the place to get them.)
To just kill him gives nothing back to society and will not satisfy any real concept of justice.
He needs to be on hard labor for the rest of his life. When the girl he violated grows up, I think she will have a deeper sense of closure and satisfaction to know he is constantly paying for what he did, rather than getting the easy out of execution.
Jesus Christ. Tanookie read my mind, what kind of people would FORCE this child to keep the baby? And yes, it is tantamount to forcing, if she’s not old enough to consent to sex she’s sure as hell not old enough to consent to keep a baby.
God. Why don’t they put the poor child up for adoption? One would think that would be the BEST solution for everyone involved.
weeps
Not to mention the fact that this child will grow up in the family most likely knowing the circumstances of his or her birth and probably there will be resentment and hostility abound!
From the article:
34 girls of 11 or 12 giving birth is 34 girls too many. I’m surprised that it’s that many, frankly.
My own eldest daughter is 10, fast approaching 16. I can’t imagine her pregnant right now. I can’t. I don’t know what can legally be done to this young “uncle,” but I know what I’d want to do to him if he did that to my daughter. It’s quite graphic. It involves the sword currently hanging on my wall… and no condoms.
I have heard stories about pedophiles being abused in jail. Frankly, I am not sure I believe them. First of all, everyone would have to know why the prison was there and it is not public knowledge in the prisons.
As for paying back society or punishment, I am not about that. I am about stopping this from happening to another kid. Pedophiles do not reform and and not sorry. They are sorry they got caught. They will reoffend.
As for whether or not she keeps the baby I think should be up to her. Even a child can love a baby and while she may not have wanted the pregnancy she may still love the child. Then again she may not. We really don’t know enough details of where her head is to begin to presume to make that decision for her.
The article doesn’t say she will keep the baby. The end of the article cites 3 “experts” or whatnot that opine that should she keep the baby, she should get to be a kid herself and that she’d need help doing this.
Hopefully this girl’s parents have some sense and will find this baby a good home.
“34 girls of 11 or 12 giving birth is 34 girls too many. I’m surprised that it’s that many, frankly.”
That is <i>exactly</i> what I thought. That sounds like a DAMN LOT of girls!! That’s a freaking classroom!! I can’t even fathom it.
Have you guys considered that she <i>chose</i> to keep the baby? I wholeheartedly agree that she should not be forced to keep it, but maybe she wanted to. Thinking back, I think that if I had been pregnant at 11 I wouldn’t have wanted to give up my veryvery own baby. If her parents are being helpful and supportive, perhaps they told her that they’d help with childcare as much as possible so she could have a relatively normal life, and she decided, “Hey, why not? It’s my child!”
I think what you’re saying is that there are stories about prisoners who, once it is discovered why they’re in prison, there is some form of punishment doled out by fellow prisoners (rape, for example) because of their reason for being in prison. I do not know of a study that validates or invalidates this theory, and to be quite frank if I had a choice between having my penis (or much of anything else) anywhere near a pedophile or keeping the bloody fuck away, I do not think it will be a shock to anyone here that I choose the latter.
Only if they are given a chance to. I do not think anyone is advocating parole for this individual (assuming his guilt; he has yet to be convicted in a trial by jury of his peers. Technicality, I know, but there are good reasons we have the judicial system we have), and I doubt there would arise such a situation where he could even be placed in a jail where there would be an individual he could harm. Remember, folks, that his target was not written up as being a physically strong person (to be fair, neither was she written as a physically weak person IIRC, but I do not know of many 11 year old girls who would be able to fight off someone six years their senior). I suspect that any person he tries to assault in prison will take rather unkindly to it, and the nearby population in general might not be all that fond even of having someone of his vilitude (again, assuming guilt for the sake of argument) in their general vicinity.
I would caution against “even a child can love a baby”. Children are every bit as capable of loving as anyone else. Witness new big brothers and sisters even at 2 years old and see the pride in their faces (of course, this is not always the case). They love as wholly as anyone else:) Makes for some damn cute pictures, too!
I believe it should be the decision of the medical staff involved (i.e. GP and/or other personnel as determined necessary or useful by the parties involved) and the family. I do not think that an abortion would necessarily add all that much to the mental or physical well-being of this girl, though a miscarriage could be equally scarring or moreso. And of course there are a myriad of possibilities in carrying to term.
What do people here think of the idea as raising the child as her sibling rather than her daughter? IIRC there was a show where this was done with a male character (7th Heaven? Libertarian, you happen to remember anything like this? I saw precious few episodes and may be attributing this incorrectly), though it was plain to see (again, assuming I am remembering accurately) that the mother of the child was not exactly thrilled about the situation. And of course there are ethical questions surrounding this possibility as well (lying to the child, etc).
The kind of maturity required to make these sort of decisions shouldn’t be required of an 11-year-old girl:(
I’ve been to this thread several times, but have been too heartsick to post.
I had a roommate who was severely abused by multiple people for years, starting from age 11 or so. We grew close enough that she shared some stories with me. I wept to hear them, and I still weep sometimes to think about them. The fact that there are people in this world who would willfully hurt a child sickens me. I am always shocked and feel physically ill when I hear about something like this. I guess that makes me somewhat naive, to still be surprised by the evil in this world.
But then again, I don’t think I want to be the sort of person who isn’t sickened and horrified to hear about this sort of thing. I pray to God that I never become that jaded. That poor, poor child.
Country singer Loretta Lynn was a grandmother at age 26. No abuse involved, just very early marriage. It’s not unheard of.
And Papa Tiger went to school with a girl who had her first child in 7th grade, and by the time she graduated high school she had four children. :eek:
There are, unfortunately, babies having babies every day all over this country. There’s some public housing projects not that far from where I live, and I routinely see girls who can’t be a day over 14 or 15 who are pregnant, often with another little one in tow. I honestly don’t know what can be done about it; it’s a serious public health crisis, among other things. As the article pointed out, young girls having babies are far more likely to have health problems associated with it, and to have babies with health problems. And that doesn’t even TOUCH the social issues involved.
But I hope this little girl is able to recover from this and live a happy life. And that her uncle rots in jail for a long, long time.
What do people here think of the idea as raising the child as her sibling rather than her daughter?
Everyone in that small town already knows who this baby’s parents are. There is no way they’re gonna be able to keep it from him/her.
Children are every bit as capable of loving as anyone else. Witness new big brothers and sisters even at 2 years old and see the pride in their faces (of course, this is not always the case).
Yes, but would we want said siblings to raise their new brother or sister? Just because kids are capable of loving babies doesn’t mean they should raise them.
Country singer Loretta Lynn was a grandmother at age 26. No abuse involved, just very early marriage. It’s not unheard of.
It could easily be argued that Loretta Lynn’s case WAS child abuse. She was 13 years old! She had her first baby at 14 … and IF that was the child that made her a grandmother 12-13 years later, it’s safe to say there was some sick shit going on.
Who in hell would find a 13 year old barely-pubescent girl sexually desirable, other than a 13 year old boy?
Hey, forget TV, I know/see the real thing. Two good friends of mine, sisters, were adopted. That’s the simple part. One of them, her legal parents were her biological grandparents. Their child got pregnant (at 16 I think) and they adopted the baby. The second, the same legal parents were foster parents to her biological mother, and again, adopted the baby. Both young mothers got pregnant at the same time. The legal parents sent the pregnant teens down to the basement when they had company so noone would know they were pregnant. (Most ironic part of the whole situation? The legal father is a preacher. )
Both of the girls turned our pretty well in respect to their family outlook and as people, so with love and care this baby could turn out the same way.
I knew one a few years ago (I haven’t seen him in ages. Creepy guy in many ways). He indicated that my then-16-year-old sister was a bit old for him.
He was then as old as I am now, IIRC (I am 21).
I wish I were making this up.
Snoopyfan, I did not take the love in “even a child can love a baby” to mean anything other than sibling love (i.e. as opposed to your cited parental love).
Situations like these provide (albeit painfully so) irrefutible evidence, IMO, that there is more grey area in life than can really be ignored.