Pros and cons of an independent lifestyle Vs. a social lifestyle

Used to be I considered a person who could hold his own against the entire social world a force to be reckoned with. And I still do to an extent. Only now do I realize that possessing the skills to communicate with others is a great strength in itself. It allows for a huge, free flow of support, care, information, and a greater frame of reference; all of which are very useful no matter where you live. A lone wolf can easily be trampled by cattle. The words of a live, flesh and blood human are not just a different brand of information that you could just as well find in a newspaper…but don’t ask me what more there is to the former. I’m still trying to work it all out.

Considering a person makes the best out of both lifestyles, what are the pros and cons of both, and what do the lifestyles entail? From your experiences, when do they clash to create conflicts?

[Disclaimer: These are all based on observations, very little of it is to be taken as fact.]
Independent

Pros

Of the more introverted people I’ve met, all have possesed a remarkably black and twisted sense of humor. Being detatched from people, I’d imagine they see things more objectivly and don’t have any emotions to get in the way of appreciating what may be some fine, blunt irony. Personally, I try to make the best of things, and where that end and being a sadist ends, I don’t know. I’ve laughed at the terrible misfortunes of others (never in a way that would further their pain, and never in front of these people), but I would never cause it. I would even work towards preventing it given the chance. This might be a product of spending the last two decades of my life alone for the most part, or just being young and immature as far as this matter is concered.

Lacking a frame of reference is a major double edged sword. I wouldn’t be 1/2 the man I am now had I listened to other people about how things “should be done”, or usually are. In going on the Atkins diet, I recieved more encouragment to stop dieting or to see a doctor I couldn’t afford before continuing than I did enouragment to keep it up, or suggestions on how else to do it. I lost 40-60 pounds on that diet. I’ve learned more about writing and story telling using my own means of research and studying than I have in my college classes. Most people use the limits and standards of other people for the excuses of thier own shortcomings. Raised in the right circumstances, a independant person might not give themselve this right. Whether this is exclusive to a particular kind of loner or is shared among those more social, I leave open to conversation.

Being wholly self sustaining gives a person a lot of pride, esspecialy if this is done with grace. A competent, upstanding individual with no strings attatched can go very far in any direction he chooses.

Increased discipline. If you’re relying on yourself, no one else is ever going to be there to make sure you fix the outside of the house, keep in shape, or learn that new crucial skill. You’re keeping the tabs on everything.

More time to contemplate the big questions, or even the small ones. Introspection can lead to revelations, increased creativity, and an overall sense of zen.

Cons

No safety nets here. If you’ve distanced yourself from what little people you know, you better remember to carry a book with you when your car breaks down. Learn to enjoy walking, waiting rooms, and either take special care of your credit or appeal to the better nature of your loan shark.

Prone to turning socially inept. Ever lock yourself in your room for a month, only coming out for work and food? Try to start a conversation after that and see what comes out of your mouth. It’s hard to say anything or relate to anyone when your life is a virtual blank slate.

Any given loner is soon to be a sociopathic homicidal madman! Or at least according to my Psychology textbooks. No, I don’t have any statistics to back this up with, but damnit if both of my textbooks don’t try to make being anitsocial itself a disease of sorts. I suppose it’s normal for a solitary person come in time to distain parties…
Conflicts

Someone left alone is bound to cultivate an appreciation for silence. People in groups tend to break this.

A loner might be perpetually unsure of when s/he is being rejected or rightfully ignored for not introducing him/her self. This can create a sense of not wanting to be reeled in by a group, but feeling resentful when said group doesn’t even make the effort. somehow, I feel this happening to myself, and the feelings are the strongest when said party is having a good time. It makes me unable to concentrate on anything.
Social Lifestyle

Pros

People care for each other! To be embraced by a group of loving friends and family is a wonderful thing no matter how you look at it. Unfortunately the chances of falling into these favovorable positions is left up to luck and circumstances all too often, but those with even a single friend are more likely to find themselves with a family than the guy home alone.

Often feels more confident surrounded by people. This can entail increased productivity, and others around you feeling more comfortable.

Proven to be healthier and live longer.

I’ll leave this area short due to ignorance.

Cons

A person dependant on other people may find themselves thriving on feedback from other people more than they should. People often get stuck in the rut of constantly rebounding even the most trivial thoughts off of each other on their cell phones the second their given a break from work, school, and kids. Without giving themselves the time for introspection, they stand a chance of going with the flow, even if it’s going off a waterfall.

As said before, can become seriously restrained due to observances and acceptance of the status quo, how things are usually done, norms, etc.

Looking for personal experiences and more observations here…out with the opinions people!

You’ve clearly put some thought into this and there aren’t many points on which to nit pick. But I think it’s worth keeping in mind that few people live at the ends of the social/independent spectrum but tend not simply to stradle the fence, even float from time to time and shift their position as their life demands.

I don’t think anyone will argue that a healthy amount of independence AND social skill is necessary to get along succesfully in this world.

I think a more thorough (though not in any way definitive) analysis of one’s personality is popularly analyzed using the Myers-Briggs human metrics typological approach. It tends to show people where they lie in the spectrum of core pre-definded personality characteristics. How accurate it is and what it really means is largely open to interpretation.

I wouldn’t overthink it too much. Let life happen and appreciate others for both their strengths and flaws. We all have 'em, and no one has figured out how to live a flawless life. If you think about it too much, you’ll limit yourself to an imperfect life model and probably miss the best parts.

I thought you’d mention loneliness as a big con for the independent lifestyle and opportunities for creativity as a pro. Not that I don’t sit by the Internet for hours to end when I’m all by myself, but I can take time to read books or train certain skills also.

Companies are good, 'cause they will teach you about life and first-hand experiences that are relevant to the life you live now. You will not find this anywhere else. Also, there is something special about the spiritual exchange in people that are at “your” level. The connection between two peers can be a beautiful thing.

But if I can’t have that, than being alone would be the second best thing. I dislike being in an ignorant or uninteresting crowd.

Well yeah, but I thought it would be more interesting to pit two different specimen together in much the same way a kid would drop a scorpian and a tarantuala in a jar, shake it, and watch them go at it. Probably because I’m always working at trying to find middle ground myself but always end up on the the independent side staring at the extremely social side, where the most noise comes from. And even the people by themselves are pretty noticeable when they do decide to speak up. Somehow I always seems to miss out on the people in the middle.

This isn’t a desperate plea for having people help me choose the best lifestyle all while using this internet message board thread as a cheap veil, I’m just trying to dissect certain dynamics involved in society as I see them. I realize not everybody sees life the same way I have. Who has? Everyone’s experiences are always different. But certainly most people have experience dealing with both extremes.

I make the best of life in my own way, and am always open for new ideas of all kinds.

Loneliness by definition is the state of being alone. A person can get depressed from it, but assuming a person makes the best of his lifestyle that in itself wouldn’t be an issue.

More opportunities to be creative works. Esspecialy for filmmakers. A writer and painter can be a hermit, but a fimmake absolutely needs people. Muscicans could go either way I imagine.

A. I have spent most of my life a loner. I’ve always had an intense need for solitude. I was the oldest child of five. The advantages of solitude are:

  1. Peace allowing one to focus on projects without distraction. A biggie!
  2. Space to have free rein to try an unlimited variety of crazy things and discover new fascinations ad libitum.
  3. Introspection, inner self-knowledge, interiority, inwardness. A positive quality for those who know how to value it. Known as al-Bâtin in Sufism, one of the “99 beautiful names of Allâh.” For those who appreciate the contemplative life.

B. After I came out as transsexual, I had to make a whole new set of friends. Up until then, I’d had very few friends, scarcely one or two, for many years. The new stimulus to reawakened selfhood brought me to suddenly make vast numbers of new friends in several areas of life. More friends than I could ever figure out what to to with. (Well, throwing a huge party for everyone at once is the only thing that comes to mind.) I flung myself into the social whirl, went from a wallflower to a butterfly, danced, drummed, and had delirious fun. The advantages of sociability or gregariousness are:

  1. Fulfillment of what it means to be human, connected with others.
  2. A support network of people who care about you. A biggie!
  3. Synergy with other conscious beings that stimulates intellect, aesthetics, love, creativity, and everything to a degree not possible in solitary. The living flow of energy, love, and consciousness back and forth. Rumi says: “Surely there is a window open from heart to heart.” (BTW, Allâh has a complementary beautiful name among the 99: al-Zâhir, the outward.)

C. The two qualities need to function in relation to one another. The strong selfhood I’d built in solitude meant I had more originality to contribute when in society. The energy and consciousness I’ve exchanged with other people feeds back to enrich my inner contemplation. Neither quality alone suffices. Each stimulates and enlivens the other. Milton contrasted L’Allegro and Il Penseroso, but he did not show the synergy between them. My life is a poem that shows this synergy.

As I have recently wanted to become more social and outgoing, I’ve recently asked myself the same question as the OP. I’ll be following this thread with interest.

JoeSki, judging by your postcount and join-date, you are a regular here on SDMB. Personally, I find that socializing on a messageboard such as this has a lot in common with socializing in real life. So it might be interesting for you, as it was to me, to ponder the question: “what has the SDMB brought me?” Would I have gotten that in another way, by myself?

Overthinking socializing is typically done by those who don’t quite feel at ease doing it. Yet. As with everything, it becomes more relaxing and nicer if you’ve done it more often, and can forget about doing it while you’re doing it, you know? :slight_smile:

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My experience is that prolly not. Good message boards such as this tend to allow you to more closely examine your own convictions as they compare and contrast against others. Anonimity offers a layer of protection and therefore frankness that most real life conversations among strangers do not.

When ideas are better formed and vetted in this kind of environment, one tends to go out into the world at large with a higher level of confidence in one self. As long as that confidence doesn’t lead to arrogance, I think online communities are a good practice ground for personal growth in many ways.

But I don’t recommend anyone tell people IRL where you’ve gained your new skills, knowledge and confidence. :slight_smile:

Great question, Maastricht. I feel that online socializing has significant differences from F2F socializing. Mainly because I was always good at the former, but I used to suck at the latter. It was so much easier when I could stay by myself and communicate. Now I’ve taken myself out of my shell and I love seeing people, but I still have the online habit.