Plus, it was a really lame scene, IMO. And considering POTC seemingly has the longest credits list in history it made me doubly angry. Which reminds me, the first POTC was on tv the other night and they graciously showed the “last scene” before the credits. Much obliged.
You’re lucky. The theater I was in apparently forgot to even turn the AC on.
It seems to me that Calypso betrayed Davy first, and Davy’s betrayal was a response to that.
In the scene where Davy visits Tia Dalma in the brig of the Pearl, she is not aware that Davy was the one who betrayed her. She is very friendly to him, gives him her heart, promises that they will be together forever once she is freed from her human bonds.
While she knew that the Brethren Court were the ones that bound her, she did not know that it was Davy who showed them how. She only found that out when Will told her as she was being released. It was at that moment that she became very angry, etc.
If you don’t want to hang around to see the bonus scene, then don’t. It’s exactly that – a bonus scene. It’s no different than having extra features material on DVDs. Are you opposed to those? It’s there for the die-hard fans, like me. Ninety percent of the people seem to leave the theater as soon as the credits start. These are the non-fanatics who don’t know or don’t care about the extras scene.
What do you get after three hours of POTC?
A Numb ARRRRse.
Questions; Whats with the singing at the start? A soldier tells Beckett (or Norrington, or whoever) that “They’ve started Singing”, to which he replies “Good”. Eh? Whats all that about?!
Pity the Kraken went out like a bitch, too. And we didnt even see it happen. In fact, it flew over the heads of most of our gang that it was the Kraken was washed up on the beach.
At the end of the battle when the **Endeavor[\b] is getting raked by the two pirate ships, those same two guards swing over to the **Black Pearl[\b]. They emerge from belowdecks wearing pirate garb and “talking pirate.”
Yep – they are the ones who try to swing over, and they arrive lower than the railing, hitting the side of the ship. Later, they have put on pirate clothes and are cheering along with the crew of the Pearl.
Clearly, they decided it was safer to join the winning ship.
It wasn’t explained very well, but apparently that song had to be sung in order to call together the meeting of the pirate brethren. Beckett wanted this result, which is why he was having so many people hanged (so they’d start with the bloody singing), because he wanted to eliminate all the big-time pirates at once.
No it doesn’t seem to make much sense.
[geeky screenwriter mode]
The scene further establishes Beckett as wholly cruel and soulless tyrant, but at the same time an omnipotent, calculating puppettmaster. At the same time, the mystic nature of the “song is sung = pirates must form comittee” commandment eliminates rival pirates’ excuses for not going along with our heroes’ plans.
Give me a week and $100,000 and I could come up with something similar that A) makes more sense, and B) doesn’t take 30 minutes of screentime.
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Thanks for clearing that up for me. Luckily our neighborhood theater had unlocked the exit doors so that we could get out.
Not at all. I can sit in the comfort of my home and choose what I want to see and when I want to see it.
I’ll respectfully disagree. This particular scene added some value to the to overall story arc. The monkey stealing the Aztec gold and the dog winding up chief of the cannibals were throwaway scenes. Fun, but not illuminating. The Will/Davy returning to find Elizabeth and their son was the true end to the movie, and the film makers (in my humble opinion) should have included it as part of the film. Especially given that they apparently chose to cut information indicating that Will/Davy could be released from the Dutchman if Elizabeth was there to meet him a decade later.
As I said earlier, I’m only “slightly bugged” by this trend. I can wait for the DVD or read about it later if I don’t want to sit through the credits for a summer popcorn flick. If I ran the zoo, the entire movie would be shown before the credits roll and garygnu’s theater would have working AC.
I was confused how both Jack and Barbossa were pirate lords. It was my understanding that Barbossa was Jack’s 1st mate. How did Barbossa get his Pirate Lord title?
How did Elizabeth get hers?
He probably stole it from someone when he was captaining the Pearl.
Elizabeth’s was given to her by Feng upon his death.
Barbossa’s was probably legit, Jack was made Captian by his deal with Davey Jones - which leads one to wonder how he became a Pirate Lord - or is just being a Captain (and having a piece of 8) enough?
My question - If Barbosa’s piece of eight was the eye, why was the pirate so eager to get a new one in the first movie? (since he had been holding it for Barbosa) - Also, since Barbosa ‘died’ in the first movie, shouldnt that have made that pirate the acting Pirate Lord since he held the piece?
I thought the whole heart-in-the-chest thing was how the captain was kept indentured to the Flying dutchman. When Elizabeth’s father stabbed the heart, though, his was taken as a replacement – so wouldn’t that make him the master of the Dutchman?
Bottom line: Nothing has to make sense except to get us frm one scene to the next.
I now realize that Elizabeth’f father DIDN’T stab the heart – he was just passing along the information to Elizabeth, hoping it could help her. So, apparently, stabbing the Dutchman’s master’s heart finishes off the captain, at which point another captain is needed.
So when the Dutchman’s crewmen lost all their scaly icky parts, that was because Jones was finally dispatched? Will William also start to get all squiddy, and his father start to get all scaly again?
Finally, an easy queston – will there be a fourth POTC movie? (Do pirates say “AARRRGGHHHH!”?)
My retcon guess would be he didn’t want to ‘hold’ it any more, as he had to be obsessed with retreiving the specific eye, rather than knowing he could always just get a new one. It seemed that holding the “piece of eight” wasn’t enough to make you a pirate lord. Barbarossa needed to have officially passed it to a new captain.
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The fishy-ness of the crew was a result of Jones not fulfilling his duties of ferrying sea-dead to the afterlife, so as long as Will does that, they should all remain human-like beings.
Excellent question.
I’m thinking that the Pieces of 8 item ( eyeball or whatever) cannot be stolen, but has to be bequethed to the next Pirate Lord in order to make the magic work.
Also, back to the beginning and the " The pirates are singing" " Good" bit. That was really disjointed, and I felt at the time it was rushed and poorly edited. garygun’s geeky screen writer guesstimation makes more sense and I wish I had 100K to send to him.
Another question, after all the credits we see Elizabeth with her 9 year old son standing on the cliffs staring out and waving at the Flying Dutchmen. Is that the same kid who was singing in the beginning or are they messing with us?
No. The boy in the beginning is listed in the credits as “Cabin Boy” played by Brendyn Bell. AFAICT, the kid in the end is “Young Will Turner” played by Dominic Scott Kay. I noticed that last credit while waiting and was confused until the tag scene.
I thought it might be the same actor who played “Young Will” in the first movie, but no.
Thanks for the compliment, BTW.
Thank you! I kept wondering about this for much longer than I should have. Talk about a plot twist–that would’ve been a plot backhand…
adds more money to the garygnu $100K fund
Depp says he’d do another one.
Well, considering that I’m a hetero female, those sort of things aren’t immediately obvious to me 
It just seemed weird to me how Sao Feng was at first treating Eizabeth very reverentially, dressing her like a queen (in very non-revealing clothes, no less…not some slave girl Leia outfit), talking about “her” return…and then, all of a sudden, decided that he wanted to jump her bones. If the exact same thing (sudden burst of unexplained lust) hadn’t happened to Barbossa WRT Tia on the Black Pearl, it would have completely looked like a misunderstanding on Sao Feng’s part. Of course, it could just be an unresolved plot hole. Who knows.
Really. I was hoping to see a lot of the Kraken in this movie, but I suppose Beckett found the Flying Dutchman to be a more efficient pirate-killer. Poor squid, I almost felt sorry for him (or her, or it…whatever). And it would have been sweet to see Beckett get his comeuppance at the end of a long, slimy tentacle. Alas.