If that scene had been included in the movie, the post-credits scene would indicate that there may not be another sequel - the Will/Elizabeth/Flying Dutchman arc would be concluded with their reunion. Of course, both Jack and Barbosa still want to live forever.
Si
I have a question.
In the scene with Davey Jones and Calypso in the brig. She magically turns him human for a short time. and after he turns back, he has his claw stuck in the bars. So what does he do? He walks forward and phases through the bars.
Wha wha what?!
He can’t pull his claw out, but he can phase his whole body through?
What did I miss in that scene?
What’s to imply that she spends all her time on land? Just because she’s on land when Will comes back doesn’t mean she lives there.
I theorize he has two states – physical and “ghost,” for lack of a better term. He has to have some physical iteration (a way to interact with people and things) or he wouldn’t be able to do things like stab people. And he has to have a ghost iteration for stuff like not dying and walking through bars.
When he grabbed Calypso by the neck, he did it with his physical state, in which he can’t pull back through the bars. But then he switched to his ghost state and pushed through them.
That sounds completely lame and dweeby when I read it. Next stop, The Android’s Dungeon & Baseball Card Shop!
Sympathy for the devil can take you a long way, apparently.
Well, from the maps shown the X seemed to be in the vague direction of Kissimmee, and we all know what’s located there… It would all end up like in this video, where Johnny Depp gets to meet himself in animatronic form.
I wonder if Jacks mother was a honky tonk woman.
Si
My friend and I went to see it last night and we gots confused over all the double dealings and weirdness.
But, what confused us the most was the Davy Jones / Calypso story line:
{I’m thinking out loud here.}
Davy Agreed to captain the flying dutchmen and ferry the departed souls for her because of his love for Calypso. In exchange he would get one day on land every ten years with her. When she didn’t show up for his first day on land in ten years, he betrayed her and
told the pirate kings how to bind her to her human form. This was 20 years ago. and when she doesn’t show(now 10 years ago), is when Davy Jones rage started turning turn him to a squid and his ship and men became all barancly. (right?)
This is where we got really confused.
Because the Pirate Lords have only had four meetings in a buttload of years, I’m guessing at least 50-100 years, as these Pirate Lords are not the originals. And Pirates don’t tend to have a long life expectancy. So either Davy Jones has been a captain alot longer than we think or there is a hole in there somewhere.
I think I need some kind of time line done. My brain hurts.
Also, my girlfriend pointed out a possible plot hole during the** Battle of the Flushing Bowl. **
The Flying Dutchmen is , one would assume, would be impossible to sink because it is cursed (or immortal or charmed, take your pick.) Yeah, the crew could be permanently dispatched I suppose, but going up against a ship that can survive and travel underwater with its crew is something to consider before going into battle. And it seems to have an unlimited supply of cannonballs.
That’s not a plot hole.
I understand your point but its not a plot hole. Its kind of like my problem with the Matrix movies- Why do they bother fighting the agents in the Matrix? They can’t beat them.
“Man o’ war” was just a generic name for a warship. In the British Royal Navy, ships with 20-60 guns were classified as frigates; ships with 64 or more guns were ships of the line. There was until today a “goofs” entry on the film’s IMDB page that claimed the Endeavour was a second rate ship of the line with 98 guns on its three decks (second rates having between 90-98 guns). I, however, thought there were more guns than this, although I didn’t get a good chance to count them - there appeared to be at least 20 guns per deck per side, which would have given it at least 120.
Of course it seems beyond belief that Beckett’s ship didn’t fight back, but given that not a damn thing in that movie made any sense I’d say it was perfectly “logical.”
I don’t remember them giving any timeline for how long ago Davy Jones and Calypso made their agreement. Based on the four meetings of the Pirate Lords, I was thinking that the first meeting occurred maybe a century ago, with the last meeting being at least 50 years ago. (It was before Barbosa’s lifetime.) As for Davy Jones’ transformation, it sounded to me like Jones turned into a monster physically because he had turned into one mentally, having abandoned his mission and having let his bitterness turn him into a cruel and merciless bastard.
BTW, I saw the beginning of Curse of the Black Pearl tonight, and I realized that the two redcoats who were guarding the chest on board the Flying Dutchman were the same two guys who were guarding the Dauntless when Jack first arrived at Port Royal.
Okay: here’s my question…
Since movie #2, there have been many hints dropped that Tia Dalma was Davy Jones’ long lost love, and when the Calypso myth is presented in #3, it’s sorta obvious who the earthly incarnation of her is going to be. However, when Elizabeth is taken (willingly) on board Sao Feng’s ship, he mentions something about “her” (Calypso) being released at last, and while saying this he is talking to (and presumably about) Elizabeth. He then out of the blue becomes violently lustful for her, much like how Barbossa suddenly became for Tia Dalma on board the Black Pearl on approach to Shipwreck Cove. The Barbossa incident makes sense because, IIRC, it was mentioned at one point that Calypso can conceive overwhelming desires in men. However, the scene with Sao Feng would hint that there is some deistic presence in Elizabeth that she did not know about, and only those well-versed in pirate history and folklore (like one of the Pirate Lords) would recognize.
I half-expected some Da Vinci Code-style revelation to come, wherein it is explained that someone in Elizabeth’s ancestry was born of Calypso, and that she thus inherited some of the goddess’ power, but nothing is ever offered as explanation as to why Sao Feng said what he did directed at Elizabeth aboard his ship. It’s obvious that there was something special about Elizabeth that made him say it to her; it would also partly explain why Jack votes for her at Shipwreck Cove later on, although Jack’s motives and plans are usually too convoluted to explain as simply as that. If there is a part 4 in the works, this might be another plot tangent they would work on. Otherwise, it just looks like a red herring.
This trivia entry at Movie Mistakes confirms that the curse to captain the Flying Dutchman was not permanent if the conditions were met after ten years.
This would explain why Davy Jones so bitterly asked Calypso her why she hadn’t been there for him.
I just saw the film last night, and while I agree that it was a convoluted thing, I still really enjoyed it!
I just thought he immediately jumped to the conclusion (when Barbossa told him they had Calypso and thus stood a chance against the East India Company and the Flying Dutchman) that Elizabeth was the incarnation of Calypso, and acted on that mistaken belief.
I think “why Jack votes for Elizabeth” is easier than that.
They had just gotten done saying that there has not been a Pirate king for years, because every pirate always votes for themself. So Jack knew that it would come out a stalemate again unless one of them did something about it. If I recall correctly, I think Jack agreed with Elizabeth’s preferred immediate course of action (fight, rather than hole up)? And Elizabeth had already cast her vote for herself, so the only way for the vote to come out not tied would be for Jack to vote for her.
While Sao Feng and Barbossa were negotiating on the deck of the Pearl, Barbossa mentions that they have Calypso bound in human form. Barbossa (through some eye glances) tricks Feng into thinking that Elizabeth is Calypso. Then Barbossa, with Elizabeth’s consent, use that “Calypso” as leverage. In exchange for “Calypso,” Feng agrees to help Barbossa escape from Beckett.
When talking to Feng on the Empress, Elizabeth was able to figure out who Calypso was, and use Feng’s mistake to her advantage by pretending to be Calypso.
Dude, Intravenus, you need an explanation for how Kiera Knightly is able to incite lust in men?
Well, OK, I don’t actually understand it entirely, either, but I can vehemently attest that whatever it is, it works.
And I really wonder, too, what the exact timeline was between Davy and Calypso. Not so much when the events between them occured, but who betrayed whom first. We know that Calypso betrayed Davy by not being there for him at the anniversary, and we know that Davy betrayed Calypso by telling the Pirate Lords how to bind her, but which came first?
No questions or answers from me, as y’all have done an admirable job, but may I vent?
Am I the only one here slightly bugged by the post-credit “bonus scene” business? I may be one of the dimmer bulbs in the box, but after nearly 3 hours parked in an over air conditioned room with a slimy floor and uncomfortable seat sorting out a bunch of odd plot twists, I don’t want to hang around for another few minutes to see the “real” ending of the movie. Go ahead and show the whole thing, then show the credits. Thanks.
In this case, I took my 13 year old daughter and 10 year old son to the show. My daughter in particular was upset by the Will as Davy Jones ending and his forced separation from Elizabeth. Keeping the scene explaining the one ten year term if your lady love remains true would have at least added some hope to the story, made the “bonus scene” either unnecessary or particularly satisfying, and would have averted some teenaged angst in my house.
Yeah! And left us all a lot less saddlesore.
Other movies have done this before, but it seems to be happening more frequently. But I’m with you – I wish I didn’t have to sit through the lengthy credits to see it, because after three hours in the theater, by that time I had to pee like a racehorse…