The longer you wait to show any interest, the more difficult it is. After two years, for example, of what she thinks is platonic friendship is not going to go well - you’ve waited 2-4 times longer than you should have at maximum. You get put in the friend zone because your lack of ever making a move makes us assume you’re, you know, just looking to be friends. Or, she’s just not interested, and if not, you gain nothing but frustration by waiting then, either.
No, but most of the men I have been with are very smart in an academic sort of way. I haven’t been with many men whom other women would call “hot.” But to be honest, I haven’t noticed a correlation between how attractive men are and how they perform in bed.
I would imagine that most women do what I do–pull the underpants down and the skirt up, making sure the skirt doesn’t touch the toilet at all.
Um, there is no point to doing that. Who does that?
Sorry, the ‘friend zone’ is pretty much permanent. It means we’ve connected, but I’m not attracted to you in a romantic way.
Men: what’s the point of never apologizing?
I usually just pee where I’m swimming if it’s not an enclosed pool. Just moving the crotch over tends to stretch out the legholes.
I wouldn’t let any garment of mine “drape over the toilet”. That’s just asking for some portion of it to wind up in the toilet. Plus, toilet germs. Gross.
I usually wear trousers rather than a skirt, but how one deals with a skirt in the bathroom depends on the type of skirt. Like kapri said, with most skirts and all dresses I’d pull it up around my waist to get it out of the way. It’s sometimes necessary to hold the folds of fabric in front with one hand. With a long or tight skirt it’s sometimes easier to unfasten (it’s usually a zipper) and pull it down as if it were a pair of trousers.
I usually get accused of apologizing reflexively and too damn often. “QUIT saying you’re sorry!! Don’t be sorry, just freaking quit DOING that kind of thing!”
I’ll break the rules and answer that as a guy. You don’t. You’re fucked, and not in the good way. You’re already past the event horizon and effectively emasculated in her eyes, and there’s no good way of getting out of that. Learn from your mistakes, move on, break of the friendship if it’s too frustrating.
Best way of not getting there, that’s a good question for the ladies though!
(Personally I nip it at the bud. When a girl starts getting too familiar with me emotionally without being ready to back that up physically I politely but firmly draw the line. Purely emotional relationships are a dime a dozen, for me anyway.)
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Honestly, both men and women need both feelings and sex. Why do we withhold one while seeking the other?
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Best way to get out of the friend zone? Stop being the kind of douche who makes friendship seem second rate. My current SO and I were best friends for quite some time before we even considered screwing each other’s brains out. But then I’ve never been one for instant attraction going anywhere but to the spank bank.
Friends =/= “emasculated”. Jesus.
So you are saying you have no female friends? What kind of attitude is that?
Because there are people I like and want to be friends with whom I am not sexually attracted to and don’t want to fuck. Simple enough for you?
Here’s one that came up recently: I told my wife about the bit on “Things My Girlfriend And I Have Argued About”, which could be about anything really, household chores, shopping, the kids, whatever. The argument goes something like this:
And she totally took the woman’s side. So the question, I guess, is this: ladyfolks, why is it more important to you that we mystically just know what you want us to do, rather than the fact that it’ll get done if you just ask us to do it?
Women have spank banks?
Because if it’s something we’ve gone over multiple times before, and it is obviously something that we feel strongly about, but you’re not changing your behavior or discussing why you won’t do it, it feels like you’re ignoring us and our preferences.
Note that this is not restricted to male-female relationships; I have similar arguments with my roommate (or did, rather, before she died).
Huh. That’s odd. Most of the academic folks I know (and I tend toward that myself) make quite a study of how to elicit the female orgasm–repeatedly. It’s really a point of pride.
Of course, I understand that a lot of women do eventually find this annoying as well. Too much of anything is bad–eventually you just want the fellow to finish so you can get some sleep and/or go about your business. The Golden Mean and all that.
Women, tell me please, what would indicate to you in my apartment, apart from obviously female things, that other women have been there.
What don’t you want to see in my bathroom, and what would you like to see.
Because it makes us feel like cruise directors in our own relationship.
Because it makes us feel like a mommy nagging a teenager instead of equal partners in a romantic relationship.
Because it’s ridiculous to have to ASK you to please take out the garbage when a blind man in the next room could see the damn bin is full to the brim.
Because it’s ridiculous to have to ASK you to please scoop out the cat’s litter box. The cat pooped there yesterday, and, God willing, the cat will poop there tomorrow. You know the cat pooped there today, too, right?
Because if you know our wants and desires, it’s a sign to a woman that you know HER, and that’s important.
I didn’t say it made sense. 
Women: Some women will hover over the seat when urinating in a public bathroom. I know this because I’ve heard women complaining about all the stuff that gets spashed all over the seat. What I want to know is this: Why don’t they lift the seat if they are going to hover?
Sorry, I only now saw this.
OMG, I was with a guy like this for :smack: how long? Why?!?
I’m not sure I can articulate just how annoying this gets after a while. I suppose if it’s a once in a while thing, a sort of self-high-fiving “Look what I can do!” then that’s different. But with this guy it was just so … constant, like he was competing with himself all the time.
Did you know you can turn “having multiple orgasms” into a to-do chore list item?
I think someone asked above in the thread about why women lie. Hope this answers that one!
ETA: to **Filmore **… because then we’d have to *touch *it! Ew!
Here’s a trick: Use the toe of your shoe to lift the seat up.