At this point I highly doubt my vote will move, but I intend to keep supporting it and trying to line up my suspicions for Tomorrow in case we have another Night and I don’t survive it.
Also, Mahaloth, “There can be no scum motivation because I’m not scum”, is not much of a defense. There was also more to my case than just your post wrt Wanderers.
So that’s it? Can’t I have a chance to further defend myself?
Ah, my bad. Here
You say I came close to defending his slip, but that’s not true. It wasn’t one.
I did understand what he meant and did not see it as a slip. I got what he meant by overnight thread and it was not a slip. He meant in the main game thread at night.
The other one you listed, which I posted in #738, I’m not sure what you want. Nothing I said there is remotely scummy. I was responding to how what Drain was doing(FOS multiple people) could be scummy. I thought this one was rather clear. I don’t see what the problem is.
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Well, other than saying I’m not scum, it’s awfully hard to do much more than explain that I don’t have scum motivation. People accusing me should have the burden of proving what my scum motivation is.
For example. Ed’s scum motivation for getting us to make cases against ourselves if for him to have an easy way to pick out cases against us(which he did against me).
I’m saying I’m not guilty because I’m not guilty. The burden should be on others to clearly explain the scum motivation of actions.
Don’t pressure Cookies to lock in. Perhaps you know that Cookies has a current vote on town(me) and you are hoping to get him to lock it in?
Cookies, feel free to change your vote as much as you want to.
Red, Drain, any thoughts at this point?
I’d just like to say, one more time, that the way Zeriel and Mhaye were handled kinda sucks yak cock, and were they to have been removed prior to my subbing in, I doubt I would have agreed to sub.
Red’s perspective would be particularly nice to have. His three paragraphs of “cases” against the other non-confirmed is not nearly what I had in mind or what the rest of us have suffered through or are still suffering through.
I think Cookies understood. (OK, she understood before I said anything).
If there are 2 Scum…ALL Town must vote together to avoid Scum manipulation.
My Three paragraphs of cases were my summaries of what I saw on re-read. My perspective on this game is such, I’m leaning towards drain and mahaloth being the last two scum or just drain if there is only 1. IMO, WoWs are puffery. They always look inflated, and feel like busy work. They show thought process, but provide infinite breathing room for smudges and inaccuracies, some of which I’ve seen in Ed’s on me. I don’t bother with them. I prefer concise statements which reflect which way the wind is blowing for me.
The fact that drain has been pretty much up your ass since the start of the day is the scummiest thing on two legs. There was no reason for her to coat tail you at the beginning of the day.
The only really original thought I’ve had since I made those cases is regarding Drain’s comment about Tom not getting enough heat. Since he was a strong lynch contender the day before, scum may have expected to bus him that day. If he was showing signs of his imminent meltdown in the scum area, it would make sense that he would be a bus candidate. This all feels like huge speculation on my part though.
Other words, I’m fine with the Maha lynch, but I’d be finer with the Drain lynch. There are scummy points to Ed, but I don’t see them out weighing Maha or Drain.
I’m gonna move my vote for solidarity tomorrow morning, where ever your vote is, that’s where my vote is. And I’ll be around during the day, watching for shenanigans if players aren’t toeing the line.
so, to summarize.
Drain…Scum are Ed and Mahaloth
Red… Scum Are Drain and Mahaloth
Ed…Scum are Mahaloth and Red
toMorrow should be interesting…
Yes. Both MHaye and Zeriel had votes in and it is dumb if they both were modkilled.
Oh gee, nice of you to be around tomorrow for what looks to be the end. Nice of you to open your schedule to come in and vote me for solidarity. Move your vote for solidarity? What the fuck does that mean? Do you mean Cookies is now deciding everything, just because we know he is town? I mean, he’s town but, and I mean this, HE IS WRONG! Ed or Drain(or YOU) are scum and if you are town, that’s shit just to just show solidarity with Cookies. I will be trying to post toMorrow(from work…I do feel better, Ed), but I am awfully busy. I’m sure I’ll find away to defend myself from this pathetic loss Town is facing.
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Gee, thanks. How useful.
Everyone: Scum is Ed and everyone not you. Except Cookies, of course.
I’m confused. I was summarizing everyone’s suspects.
Which, if you are lynched and Cookies is NK’d would leave an interesting triangle of suspicion for toMorrow. (assuming we have 2 Scum left or 1 Scum who isn’t you)
Which is why I have to do my best to serve up the right candidate(s) for Today and Tomorrow, before Tonight.
Red - Anything you can do to sell me on Drain? Because she’s not ping’d me since I’ve been in the game and she didn’t really say anything to ping me before I arrived, as I just re-read her.
I neglected to mention that I’ve certainly noticed the coat-tailing, but I know you’re all possibly doing it in secret, so I don’t really see it as a scum tell that she’s being more obvious about it.
Left-field idea, re-reading Red’s case against Drain.
Tom seemed to flame out for no reason I could see within the game. If Drain was complicit in helping to bus him, and they were having a spat about that in the…heh…overnight thread, his flame out would make more sense to me.
I’ve also weighed on on Drain’s handling of Meeko this game as a null tell based on previous games I’ve played where they’ve both been town. She’s hard on him then too.
A couple more points, that I feel are included in the points I made about her earlier. But I’ll rehash.
- She can’t be arsed to try to figure out what meeko was saying, but was willing to push hard for a lynch on him, a little too hard I think. Instead of reading and asking questions she was willing to dismiss him too easily. This looks to me like she knew he was town, so whatever he was doing was irrelevant until she needed an easy mislynch on a player who it now is revealed made a big mistake.
(On preview, you’ve said that she’s usually hard on him, but IMO she wasn’t uniformly hard on him. But she was dismissive and has several times indicated that she has not had an interest in reading his posts.)
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She has tried an empathy play, comparing your claim with meeko’s claim in a different game under different circumstances and conditions. I don’t agree with the similarities that she concluded. It looks like trying to sway a known town to give relevance to the case against meeko, by providing a quasi-similar situation.
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She did not bother to argue against Ed’s idea until you had weighed in on it. This is hella scummy. Was she afraid that you would support it and did not want to be on the opposition to a known town position?
Her position before you commented on it: "Intriguing " this is stalling with a hint of assent. So much so that Ed accused me of being the only one against his idea.
Her position after you commented on it: “I think Cookies has it right here–we should be focusing on the unconfirmed that aren’t us.” Once you’d ok’d it, it was a safe position to take.
- She was voting oredigger while complaining about the lack of attention tom was getting. A great way to draw attention to someone is to vote for them. My read on this is that Tom was her intended bus, but she wanted to get credit for the early vote of oredigger. Eating the cake and having it too.
Yes, I do remember the exchange about Meeko’s previous play as a Mason. It was the briefest glimmer in my failure to sustain my support for my fallen comrade, in whom I have invested much time and effort in trying to be able to read correctly in the past year of my life. tear-glinted eyes of war staring off into the distance
I’m obviously getting a bit slap-happy at this point in the game. Drain is certainly capable of fitting into a blind spot, but I don’t think a case against her is going to topple the apparent consensus about Mahaloth. I’d appreciate it all of you of pure heart will state their true feelings about Mahaloth, regardless of where my vote is right now. It would be much appreciated by me.
Also, fwiw, I am almost positive of at least one example where Drain was railing just as hard against Meeko’s play style, basically saying that she was ignoring anything that he said, when they were both town. So even that behavior matches my null tell in so far as that is as hard as I am willing to work to back it up, which is admittedly not very hard.
One more point about drain:
She has not questioned or defended against my case against her at all. I can only assume that this is because if you (cookies) are not showing suspicion of her, then it doesn’t matter.
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Mahaloth does not appear as scummy to me as Drain.
Mahaloth appears more scummy than Ed.
Here’s why (from my earlier post):
This post comes across as even more potentially manipulative than the first one.
What to do with you, Ed. What to do…