I’m back from the Happiest Place on Earth. I’m sad to say that there was no sign of Meeko down there; and now I see why. You bastards killed him, right in time for my vacation too. I did see Pocahontas milling about though. She was unusually cheery for someone who just lost a close friend. Kind of cold, but I guess she understands the circle of life.
I did see a raccoon playing a harmonica in Splash Mountain though. Does that count?
I’m not sure what the game state is right now, so I think it best for ShadowFacts to handle Today as well. Less chance of mistakes. Plus I have… work.
Well, I can’t say I’m surprised about the votes going my way. I’ve had a severe bacterial infection in my throat and have barely been able to check in the last couple days(small “d”).
At this point, based on the gameplay of toDay, I think Ed has really climbed up the suspicion list for me. I’ve been reading him as town the entire time and I even volunteered(and did go first) for his “self review” idea, but I also see what people mean by it being an opportunity for people, including ed, to go and find an easy argument to vote someone out. In fact, ed seems to have little argument behind his vote for me now.
Basically, I suspect Ed and Drain at this point and I would support a lynch of either.
I feel that with 24 hours left(give or take) in this Day, I do need to get a vote out, though.
People, at least think about it for a minute. I suspected, correctly, Tom from very early on in the game. I never jumped on a band wagon for him and came out against him nearly every Day until he was lynched. I was right about him being scum and because I had my vote out so early those Days, it lead to me having a lower post count for those days. I just never saw anyone more suspicious on a lot of those Days.
I do need to vote, as well. I have to survive and I think both Ed and Drain are scum.
Vote Ed
I’m willing to lynch Drain if that is how people feel, by the way.
oh, sorry, you were just handwaving the case against you, never mind.
I must admit I had missed you. It had been 39 hours since you posted in this thread. And it took me a while to figure that out since you had 25 posts to other threads. Though, I realize that is metagamey.
Maybe we have different definitions of handwaving. To me, handwaving is dismissing comments made by others with a quick little comment and without directly responding to the case.
No, granted, I didn’t create a numbered list of my points in my case agsint you. I can do so. Here you go
Your participation in the game is extremely low. I’m not talking about post numbers, but I am talking about contributing to finding Scum.
Your post where you snuggled everyone except Meeko and even went so far as to pass judgment (albeit limited) on our confirmed Town players without so much as mentioning their confirmedness is the sign of either extremely apathetic Town or slightly bumbling Scum.
You comments on Day 1that you weren’t pinged at all by peeker and Meeko and thought Scum might be picking on them was almost immediately followed by the assertion that one of Chronos and peeker are likely Scum and a vote on peeker.
Your comments on Day 2 bemoaning low participation despite your own low participation seem like Scum just commenting to make comments.
Your pointing out that you voted for Tom on 3 Days (before his claim) usually fails to mention that you unvoted him twice to vote for Town players. It also fails to mention that he was in no danger of being lynched any of those Days as the vote on the lynch leader compared to him was 8-0, 7-4, and 10-1 on each of those 3 Days. NEW 6. Your failure to respond with any defense to issues brought up by storyteller, Jimmy Chitwood, and now myself.
Your constant of how you voted for Tom before he claimed in your defense (see posts 1042, 1133, 1179, and 1285 before Tom’s claim and posts 1303, 1361, 1984, 1409, and 1445 after Tom’s claim)
Your defense that borders on ‘scum wouldn’t do this’ in post 1361 and 1384 that fails to address any points against you.
There, is that better?
Now, turnabout is fair play, so I think In reading your vote post for me, I can summarize your case thusly:
Ed seemed Town, heck Mahaloth even agreed with his build your case on yourself, but now sees how that could be Scummy.
Ed and Drain are likely Scum.
Mahaloth need to vote
Mahaloth voted for Tom!
I’m still willing to lynch Drain though.
I’m sure I may have missed points you made in other posts, so feel free to clarify that for me.
In the meantime, if a case ever deserved a handwave, that’s it. Hell, you didn’t even take the time to ‘me too’ all the work Drain did.
Cookies, You do realize that with less than 24 hours left in the Day, the issue of your vote placement is very important. If there are 2 Scum left, that is (and seeing we’ve only lynched 2, it may be)
If your vote is on a Town player, the Scum can win by voting with you.
If your vote is on a Scum player, the Town players must have sufficient time to align with your vote or the Scum can still win.
Seems unfair, since randomly, you have a 50% chance of voting Scum while the Town players have 67%. But we’re also at a stage that’s far from random.
If there is but one Scum left, it doesn’t matter as much.
Ed’s list is pathetic. It’s just a fabricated case from minimal evidence that does not contain scum motivation. I’ve made mistakes as a townie and probably even contradicted myself(thinking one thing at a moment and then thinking the next later), but there is no scum motivation behind things I’ve done because I’m not scum. Even if I had been scum, I don’t see any reason a scum would do any of the little bullet points Ed has listed.
I’ll be honest. I have no idea who is scum and I think we’re screwed.
I now have a nagging feeling that both Ed and I are town and we’ve been totally played.
However, and I want to win badly and I assume we are very close to both winning or losing. We’ve come to far and I will now, in order to hopefully persuade those other townies still remaining, respond to Ed’s case point by point. Ed, if you are town, seriously re-consider. Everyone else, we can win this if we can just get our townie votes together on one scum.
Town, please think about this.
Ahem:
That’s stupid. Complain that I keep mentioning it, but I found Tom and kept pecking at him daily until we succesfully lynched him. I admit low post count, but I have been contributing.
Heck, Red has contributed less and he’s here not drawing your fire.
Right. I mentioned this stupid mistake in my review of myself. Nothing to say about it. If that is scum motivated, I don’t see how it could be. Thanks for doing what people were saying, Ed; taking my own analysis and using it against me.
I don’t remember Day 1 enough. I guess I didn’t see a case and then did. Or I made a mistake in my wording.
I’ll make a note for the next game. Don’t encourage participation unless you are massively participating. I didn’t know my own participation would be reduced. I still think I’ve contributed fairly well, though.
Why don’t you go back to the 2 times I unvoted Tom and find my reasonings for doing so? I listed my reasons when I did. I didn’t just unvote him randomly.
I’ve responded to cases against myself, though I didn’t really see your case before you listed it out. This is just flat out not true, Ed.
Well, finding Tom and pushing his case and killing him is the best thing I’ve done this game. I do deserve credit for it. I found Kelly in the last game and ended up getting lynched before everyone came to their senses and got rid of him(he was scum there too). I deserve credit for it.
Let’s look at these posts individually:
I responded specifically to him calling me apathetic. How did I fail to address the point?
I was responding specifically to what Meeko said. He said I went around saying arguments about everyone, which wasn’t true. How did I fail to address it?
I don’t think the post you mention bodes poorly for me and here is why:
Listen, I actually agree that a townie can acknowledge that their death is not a bad thing. I mean, if someone has a huge amount of votes against them and is vanilla, and it is not the end-game, then it is no big deal to acknowledge that your death will provide data for the game.
However, the timing of Oneandonly’s comment was odd. He(she?) had not collected enough votes to be the “assured” lynch for the day. The boldness of the comment, where we were told he/she would be a good lynch sounded like a scum trying to sound like a townie.
Additionally, I don’t think I ever “slapped” my vote on anyone. I placed my vote on Tom because his case for Freudian was horrible(she was Town, by the way). The fact that Ed thought it had legs actually makes Ed, not me, look worse. I later, Days later, added other reasons for why I thought Tom was scum.
Kinda sucks, but he’s just being honest about how this Day will end up playing out. Your vote essentially makes it. If you change your mind too late, I might not be able to change my vote to join you, and I would like to join my vote with yours if at all possible.
Speaking of which, nothing Mahaloth says is inspiring me that he’s Town. For one, his whole reliance on his case against Tom sounds just like me in Colorless. For another, the whole “I have a nagging feeling both ed and I are Town” thing is a little weird. If that’s the case, we only have one Scum left–a possibility, but not a good one. Chances are good that at least one of the two, and possibly both, are Scum. And a comment like that seeks to either snuggle a Townie ed to remove his vote, or cause people to examine the connection between the two if Mahaloth comes up Scum.
Add that to Mahaloth being remarkably ambivalent about almost every case except the one against Tom, and his adding both Cookies and Rysto to his bizarre suspicion list without even mentioning their claims (one of which was confirmed!) and I don’t really have a problem moving my vote, especially considering the fact that Cookies did.
true, but he’s also done less Scummy things. He’s obviously not absolved of anything either.
This was also brought up at the time it occurred. It’s a point against you if you mentioned it or not.
OK…so we can’t use a point against you because you don’t remember it? It’s still there. go read it again. stop guessing. it looks apathetic. The links are in my big wow on you.
Maybe modify the rule. Don’t repeatedly bemoan low participation when your participation is also lacking
Why don’t you go back to them. Point being you voted for Tom when he was not in danger of being lynched and when his lynch was inevitable. Hardly a reesounding endorsement of your Towniness. And a good strategy for a scum to try to win Townie Cred.
I did a fricking huge wall of words on you! I’ve made other comments from time to time. But, fair enough, you’re respondind now.
by that reasoning, we must give Drain a pass for voting Oredigger long before he was outed. oh, and wait, so did I. And I continued to push his lynch forcing his claim that got him lynched. Not removed votes. Not one-off votes (OK, Drain’s may have been), but real votes that resulted in Scum deaths. Your votes against Tom did not accomplish his lynching.
Great, you aren’t apathetic. and you voted Tom. They were both “Scum wouldn’t do that” defense.
I’m fully aware of the significance of my vote and my handicap in the game and I don’t think I’ve said or done anything that could be construed as being ignorant of either. I will also not be the single point of failure or success. So what was the point of the post?
Sorry, I was just being analytical and reminding you that I wanted your placeholder vote to be a little more solid, since I can’t always guarantee I can access the game during the day. I didn’t mean to imply you were ignorant of that fact, and I certainly didn’t mean to imply that the entire course of the game is a result of your actions.
