In Russia, victims rape YOU!
None, *as far as we know. * There are a few “definate maybes”.
By contrast check out this amusing cartoon on the types of hijabs ( or lack of them ) on the streets of Damascus: Syrian_Hijab.jpg (image)
Note the Saudi Style Wahhabe ( aka “Ninja” 
).
You mean vis-a-vis sectarian tensions and the intersection of violence of this sort? And/or the handing down of sentences of varying severity? Don’t know that I have one, really. I’m just too removed from the region to give an accurate impression. Frankly I expect you and Paul are better placed to speculate on such :).
Are we sure the 200 lashes will be administered all at once? She’s supposed to be sentenced to six months in jail after that, so maybe she’ll be lashed in stages?
Not that this makes this any less sickening, but at least she won’t die.
Sitnam, can you give me cites of leading Muslim leaders who are decrying this ruling? Has CAIR made a press statement?
No, it’s me too. I DO indeed feel that the past 60 years of unique social development of the West have provided us with a towering pedestal to shout righteous accusations against (many parts of) the rest of the world. Which is not to say that our social development was as high as it could or should have been. Merely that, when we hear about a woman being sentenced to an extremely painful death for being raped and then telling people about her terrible judicial ordeal, we can point to that and say “That is wrong, no ifs, no buts”. Some of us can even go as far as to propose that we must apply severe penalties to a country in which this takes place. Not of course, that our leaders are obliged to LISTEN to us, except in so far as to accuse us of being lily-livered tree-hugging hippie idealists.
Of course, you were being sarcastic. I am not. Funny thing is, last time I expressed a sentiment like that on these boards, that another country was doing something profoundly wrong and we ought to stand up to them, I was roundly argued against. By someone who was most definitely NOT a ‘liberal’, whatever the hell that is.
Er… isn’t the problem here, that the nation in question DOES give very much of a shit about Law? More specifically, Sharia Law?
Now if it didn’t give a shit about Law, if the judiciary in said country elevated compassion and common sense above Law, even to the bizarre extent of, my FSM, decapitalising ‘law’… maybe not quite so many women would get stoned?
No offense, Dave, but can we stop the “left vs. right” crap for once? Let’s just agree that both sides suck in different ways. And this Leftist finds the behavior of the Saudis disgusting.
My ONLY beef with our nation is that sometimes we over look this, or turn our heads, if theses nations are our allies. And the left and the right are both guilty of this. FDR started the whole “Uncle Joe” bit to describe Stalin, and said the famous quote, "Somoza may be a son of a bitch, but he’s OUR son of a bitch. JFK pulled the same shit with Castro, or who ever. OTHER countries have done it too. The British, the French, Germany, Belgium, whoever. Okay?
That’s all. I don’t think our government or the US is evil. Just sometimes in different. THAT’S what upsets me. People often just don’t care. It’s in another part of the world, so why do we give a shit?
The Sharia law and those who support it ARE evil. Just plain evil. And we, as the better people, need to stop turning our heads, and STOP it.
(Humans suck, basically)
Well, no offense Guin, but I was speaking about a specific group of people, the radical left, the people who really do hate America. What I posted wasn’t aimed at the left en toto, or at people who are liberals, but at a very specific group, the same way a criticism of, say, the religious fundamentalist right is only aimed at a small group of people inhabiting the other side of the spectrum. Does that clear things up a bit?
There’s no shortage of oil. We have tons of the stuff right here, in California and Texas that I know of.
Saudi has what’s called “sweet” crude. Easy and inexpensive to refine. The plentiful "sour’ stuff costs much more to make into gasoline, and we don’t want to pay higher prices to fill our tanks. We are way too spoiled. Me, alone in my 15 - 20 mpg pickup.
I don’t know the figures, but that is why we still have a “friendly” relationship with the Saudis, who in some respects is worse than those who a few years ago ran Iraq.
I don’t have any idea what we could do about it, other than take a moral stance and not buy crude from them. They’d surely sell it to others, but that’s not the point.
Maybe other countries would follow, maybe not.
We also watch and do nothing.
Peace,
mangeorge
Ah, you mean the Der Trihs types? shudder I actually considered pitting him the other day, and then just said forget it. Dude’s not even worth it.
Personally, I don’t think we can stop a damn thing if our notion in that people who support Sharia are “just plain evil” – can’t we settle for “gravely mistaken, and those who enforce Sharia are guilty of human rights violations”? Is that really too difficult? (Is it doable, but only outside the Pit?)
Much better. Thank you.
How true is Weirddave’s claim? Do Americans of the radical left “…really do hate America” ?
Hey, as long as we can still look down on them and bomb them on occasion, who cares what you call them?
That was either really stupid or really funny – I’m too tired to decide which. (The US hasn’t bombed Saudi Arabia that I’m aware of, though.)
Actually, to respond seriously, when bombing and sanctions aren’t really on the table, dialogue becomes important, and “Eeeeevil”-crying doesn’t really help dialogue. IOW, you’re never going to convince someone who (correctly) thinks you hate them.
No.
I’m certain SOME do. The dizzyingly wide spectrums of political beliefs and human nature are such that you just can’t claim otherwise.
How MANY do, and whether it’s enough to claim that they are a “group” worthy of generalization - THAT is the question.
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But then the radical rightists, don’t hate America, right? They LOVE America!! And if they can turn it into a Theocracy, they’ll love it to death.
I think “hate America” is the important term here.
Some of the ultra left may, but I don’t personally know any. I do know some radical left who would embrace certain changes.
Well, there’s gotta be some. Not nearly as many as the right claims. But you’ve always got your crazies.
(Like I said, Der Trihs would be an example. But they’re pretty rare-mostly like the crazy fascists.)