Reasonable adults have wills, dammit!

Have YOU got a will? Or at least a letter laying out in general terms what you want to happen to your stuff in case you drop dead?

If not, go write one. RIGHT NOW, DAMMIT!
I know, I know. You don’t think you have enough money to bother with it. You think (in the minimal, ‘I don’t really want to think about this stuff’ way) that your possessions/money will just be distributed to your relatives in the ‘ordinary’ way, and that that’s close enough to what you would pick anyway.

Well, let me tell you, Sir or Madam as the case may be, YOU ARE BEING CRUEL.

Yes, cruel: come your death, your nearest and presumably dearest, who are already suffering from your loss, will now (best case scenario) stew and worry and ponder over what exactly Dear Old Departed wanted to happen with his semi-precious collection of antique guitar picks. In the worst case, we’re talking lawyers and battles inside and outside of courtrooms. <shudder>

And if your circumstances are ANYTHING outside of the ‘norm’, that is, you aren’t either half of a legally married couple or a live-alone single, you are setting your blood relatives up for tremendous hassles. Okay, they may have the hassles anyway, but if you at least WRITE THINGS DOWN they won’t have to worry and feel guilty that whatever they end up doing wasn’t what you would have wanted.
The rest of this is a long bitch about the mess my brother has caused because he didn’t leave any instructions – feel free to skip.

My eldest brother died in a car accident about six weeks ago. This was a shock, of course, but in truth he’d been semi-estranged from the rest of the family. He was your basic ‘drifter through life’ – never had any real ambition, sort of went along from one semi-skilled job to another, whatever he could find, living wherever and however he could afford. For the past four years he’s been living in a house my mother owns in another state. In theory he was suppposed to pay rent, in fact he never did. In theory he was supposed to tend to the general maintenance/yard work, in fact he would sometimes attempt repairs which inevitably ended up with us hiring a professional to fix/replace whatever his ‘repairs’ had made worse. I’m not saying this to blacken Eldest Brother, it’s just the way he was, sort of laid back, make do with whatever, don’t go out of your way. He had a great personality and was fun to be with, but he wasn’t cut out to be a success in a market economy.

So as next of kin, my mother was notified of his death. Well, my mother is in the early stages of Alzheimer’s Disease, so it really fell on the rest of her children: Middle Brother, Sister (me), Youngest Brother. We talked it over, and the one who could get away easiest was MB. He flew down to Mississippi to deal with having EB cremated, disposing of his household possessions, getting the house ready for a new occupant, finding an agent to take care of renting it, and so forth.

He arrived to find there was a woman living in the house.

She claims she is my brother’s “spiritual and common-law” wife, and so should be his next of kin. She claims she’d been living with my brother continuously for eight years.

Now, we weren’t on close terms with EB, but we spoke on the phone at various holiday times and he NEVER MENTIONED this woman. He never mentioned being married or shacked up or spiritually bound or whatever with anyone. The three of us have had a long conference phone call, and the only slightly applicable thing any of us can recall is that YB said once when he and EB were talking on the phone he heard a woman’s voice and asked, and EB had said something like, oh, that’s just a woman from my church, she was in a rough spot and I’m letting her stay for a couple of weeks while she figures out a new place to live. Now, that might have been a different woman entirely, but if so, why didn’t EB ever say anything about this wife-equivalent?

And, really, if they were together for seven years, why didn’t he just marry her? EB had been married (legally) and divorced twice before, so it’s not like he was unwilling to ‘commit.’

Naturally there is not a single piece of paper to indicate what EB thought the situation between him and this woman, and what he did or didn’t want he to get if he were to die. And she hasn’t got anything to show us - no loving letters between them, no marriage certificate, nothing to show the relationship was acknowledged in any way.

MB checked with the neighbors down there, and found one who said this woman had indeed been living in the house for ‘a couple of years,’ but she wasn’t sure how long exactly. She said they’d never seemed ‘lovey dovey’ and she’d thought the woman was just a house sharer. Anyway, she was positive that the woman moved in at some point AFTER my brother started living there, so um, let’s call her Mary, Mary is lying at least about how long she was with EB, and maybe about what the relationship really was.

I can believe it either way: maybe EB was gunshy after two failed marriages, and didn’t want to risk a third, but they were ‘involved’ long-term. Or maybe she was just someone who paid him money to share the house, and EB was never one to turn down easy money. Or even, she was a ‘friend’ who lived there free. I mean, how in the world am I to know?

So how the hell are we supposed to know what is right to do??? If EB indeed considered “Mary” to be his wife, then morally she has a claim to whatever a wife would have gotten in the event of his death. If she wasn’t, well, she’s pulling a scam and deserves no more than to be tossed out on her fanny. She wouldn’t be left on the street, btw: I don’t know what her financial resources are, but she’s a fifty year old woman, with three adult children from an earlier marriage – see, she wasn’t unwilling to marry legally, either – all of whom live in Mississippi, so she could stay with one of them until she got herself a new place. (She does have a job, I don’t know what or how well it pays.)

Mary wanted to have EB buried in a service from her church. Latter Day Saints, as it happened. MB went along with that – so far as we were aware, EB never was a believer in any religion, but maybe that had changed. Anyway, if he really had converted to Mormonism, fine, he should be buried that way, and if he was still a non-believer, well, what did it hurt?

EB really didn’t own much in the way of personal possessions – he had a car (a few years old) and a truck (rather older) and some not-at-all valuable furniture and less than a thousand bucks in the bank. None of this is a problem: none of the three of us want or need any of it, and we would be happy to let the woman take the entire lot, if she’d only take it and go.

The problem is the house. The woman wants to stay in it. We pointed out that it was never owned by EB, that it belongs to our mother, and that whoever lives there will have to pay rent. But she refuses: she says EB never paid rent (true) and so she, as surviving wife, should be allowed to live there on the same terms.

This is utterly unacceptible. My mother will, in the not very distant future, have to move to a care facility. She will need the income from renting that house – or from its sale – to help pay her way. In fact, once she’s used up her other assets, Medicaid will require that she sell the house and use the money. We pointed this out to the woman.

Her suggestion: mother should GIVE the house to her now. After all, she said, when mother died she would probably have left the house to EB anyway, and then Mary would have inherited it from EB.

Well, this might be true, IF mother had died before EB, and IF mother had died while still owning the house, and IF the relationship between EB and Mary was as she said. But Mom is still alive, and very likely will need the value of the house (about 80,000) to pay for her own care and living expenses. In which case EB would not have inherited the house, period.

And Mom can’t make those decisions any more. A few years back, when the first signs of AD showed up, she did the responsible thing and got all her papers in order: she has a will, her property is in a trust, and I have her power of attorney and the, uh, whatever the medical decision-making one is called.

So really it’s up to me. And I’ve been stewing over it, trying to decide what is right. And I just can’t see handing over a large chunk from Mom’s estate to a woman none of use knew existed before EB died. Which means I’m in the process of hiring a Mississippi lawyer long-distance, to see what can best be done. Ideally, I want Mary to just go away. Give her the car & truck & the EB’s other possessions, and have her move out. Then hire a team to clean out the house and get it marketable, and get it sold and gone.

Why am I sure it is not going to go that easily?
So…WRITE THAT DAMN WILL.

Firstly StarvingButStrong, I’m sorry for the loss of your brother.

Secondly, his having a will wouldn’t have changed much. After all, the house isn’t his anyway. So, even if he had a will, you’d still be in the same position (i.e. having a squatter living in your mother’s house).

In any event, even if they’d actually been legally, honest-to-goodness married, she has no right to live in the house rent free now that her “husband” has died.

While I agree with you that everyone should have a will, in this case, probably not much would have changed.

Good luck, and speak with a lawyer in the state where the house is.

Zev Steinhardt

I’m so sorry about your brother, I really am. Thanks for the reminder. I am guilty of not having a will, as is my husband.

I think “Mary’s” position is humorous. She has no legal leg to stand on without a written rental agreement, unless Mississippi law is radically different from what I am familiar with. Hellm, even Eldest Brother had no “right” to live there without a rent contract. Cal the cops and have her ass evicted as a squatter.

At least you have (very generously, given they could be sold at a profit) agreed to give he EB’s stuff. Then at least she can’t /won’t just steal it.

Seems fairly cut-and-dried. If the woman is common-law wife, then she inherits brother’s obligations as well. Send her a bill for four year’s back rent.

I imagine that it would take only a minor amount of detective work to prove or disprove the claim of living together for 8 years. If you have the woman’s name you can check past addresses and even do one of those internet searches to get additional information, maybe past employers. But it is this woman who is getting screwed by the absence of a will, not you.

I’m not a lawyer in MIssissippi, but it appears that the state does not recognize common-law marriages.

http://198.187.128.12/mississippi/lpext.dll?f=templates&fn=fs-main.htm&2.0

Hire a lawyer and get her evicted.

Lizard, quit giving bad legal advice. Lease or no, in every state I’m familiar with, a property owner needs to comply with forcible detainer/eviction laws to remove someone living on the property, at least if the occupant got there legitimately to begin with. If she doesn’t, she can be legally responsible for the occupant’s damages.

If this lady and your brother had been together for so long there must be some proof. A birthday card? Christmas? Evidence of a trip they took together? Pictures?

If this lady can’t produce something that I am inclined to think she is lying. If she can provide proof then I think that you are right to give her your brother’s things. In any case, she has no right to the house. A months notice or so would be a nice family thing to do.

In any case, your message is a good one. Write a will!

I agree with Zev, this isnt a matter of having a will. Your family is being very kind to let this woman take your brothers posessions. That house is NOT your brothers possesion. Its your mothers. And as far as I can tell, this woman was never “spiritually” married to you mother, so yeah. Maybe you could first offer to sell her the house. If she’s unwilling or unable to obtain a home loan, Grab a lawyer to process the eviction paperwork, get her out of there and sell it.

I’m sorry for your loss.

You mean the same advice everyone ELSE is giving her? :confused:

Lizard, I think he means about throwing her arse out without following proper eviction procedures. (I’ve been wrong before though.)

Thinking about it though… she really can’t prove she got there legally, so maybe she -can- be evicted as a squatter. Either way, I’m sure StarvingbutStrong will run this by a professional before she goes through with it.

Well sure, but I took that as a given. **SbutS[/] doesn’t sound like and idiot, and I DID say “evict” not “throw her out.”

Sorry, link didn’t work. Text follows.

§ 93-1-15. License and solemnization required for valid marriage.

(1) No marriage contracted after April 5, 1956 shall be valid unless the contracting parties shall have obtained a marriage license as otherwise required by law, and unless also the marriage, after such license shall have been duly issued therefor, shall have been performed by or before any person, religious society, institution, or organization authorized by sections 93-1-17 and 93-1-19 to solemnize marriages. Failure in any case to comply with both prerequisites aforesaid, which shall also be construed as mandatory and not merely directory, shall render the purported marriage absolutely void and any children born as a result thereof illegitimate.

To sum up: No common law marriage and no lease, oral or otherwise, with the woman means that she has no continuing right to stay in the house or any claim to your brother’s personal property.

That doesn’t mean you can go to the place and physically remove her. Recommend seeing a local attorney about the necessary eviction steps.

While IAAL, I am not one in your state. I am not your lawyer, and this post is not meant to be legal advice. See a lawyer licensed in the proper state for that.

Having the local cop remove her is not a proper eviction procedure. If you “took as a given” that the OP would file an eviction suit (or whatever other procedure Mississippi requires), why the advice to go to the cops?

StarvingButStrong,

First, my condolences on the loss of your brother.

Second, kudos for a well-written OP.

Finally, thanks for sending the important message that people who die intestate do a great disservice to their survivors. The point has been made here, by zev_steinhardt and others, that a will may not have made any difference in your situation. I respectfully disagree. While a will may not have settled any legal issues, the mention (or absence thereof) of this Mary in a legal document signed by your EB could very well have (no guarantee) gone a long way toward resolving your moral issues. If it were fairly recent in origin, it would most likely give you some clue as to the nature of your EB’s relationship to this woman with whom he allegedly lived for eight years. Just my two cents worth.

When my father died intestate, I learned first hand that heaping uncertainty and confusion on top of grief is a cruel thing to do to those you love. My wife and I both executed wills within 2 months of his passing, and I review them annually. It was worth every penny of the cost to know that I won’t be a burden to my family even after I’m gone.

I am afraid of having a will because my net worth is a large negative number. I have no assets to speak of. I’m afraid whoever I named might be responsible for my debt, or some of it. If I die intestate, the credit card companies will be SOL, which is how I want it.

Am I operating under a misconception? Would my heirs be responsible for my debt, if I were to name any? Or does it just magically go away when I die?

I have discussed disposal of the body, funeral arrangements, etc. with the necessary people, fwiw. And anybody claiming to be my lover after my death would be laughed out of town by anyone who knows me. So do I really need a will?

People often say I’m weird to have written my will (holograph) and planned out my funeral/disposal at least in general terms. Well, this is the kind of thing I think about. We’re all going to die and not thinking about it will not make it go away.

Hell, I’m queer, someone could beat my head in tomorrow, so it behooves me to have my papers in order. At least my family is not homophobic, so I don’t have to worry that they’re going to swoop in, evict a man they know perfectly well has been my lover for years (italics mean this is not the OP’s case), take all my stuff, and bury me in a faith I don’t believe in in a city I don’t live in in order to get the family shame where nobody, particularly my lover, can find it - a fate that all too many gay people have faced.

And the funeral directions count, too. My dad and mom had simple wills, but one of the hardest things about my dad’s death other than the illness and death itself was dealing with the funeral director. Mom didn’t have a clue what dad wanted except that he wasn’t averse to cremation, so we had to make the whole thing up as we went along, and we basically felt railroaded by the funeral home. The thing she was most bitter about was being, as I say, railroaded into the purchase of a $5,000 casket (half the funeral expense right there) just to be cremated, because the director never bothered to tell her about any other option and by the time the question came up she was just sick of it.

So yeah. Make your will and plan your funeral.

StarvingbutStrong, sorry to hear about all of your troubles. It’s always tough to deal with death and then to be burdened with trying to figure out what to do with the deceased’s belongings.

I really have to say, it sounds as if this woman is a manipulative bitch. (Just going on your words.) Even if your family wasn’t close with this brother, I find it hard to believe you wouldn’t know he’d been with her for 8 years, in a loving, committed relationship. Does she know initimate details about all of you? Any family history? Maybe fond stories your brother related to her?

I would say don’t give her ANYTHING until you have consulted a lawyer. Not the car, the truck or even so much as a ratty couch. If you do, it may give her a bit of legal footing.

~J

I hear ya. My grandmother died on Sunday and even though we knew it was coming, arranging the funeral and her affairs is a huge task. And she had a will! When someone dies there’s so much to do. Leaving a will can lessen that slightly.