Republican Platform: "Kill The Gays"

Kevin Swanson is a piece of shit, a conservative Christian who hasn’t met anything secular that he thinks should even exist. He is a batshit loony who said that it’s better to be drowned than to have your kids watch Harry Potter. He said if his son was gay and about to get married he would cover himself in cow manure on the church steps (pretty kinky there, Swany boy!).

He also wants gays who don’t repent to be executed.

Now, all of this is, sadly, run of the mill hatred from the lunatic fringe. Every movement has it’s extremists, and to paint the mainstream with that brush is unfair.

Except for the fact that not one, not two, but THREE very mainstream Republican presidential candidates were at the rally in Iowa this past weekend where Swanson made his statements.

I am aware that neither Mike Huckabee and Bobby Jindal will become President, but the former is a former governor who spent time as a right wing pundit and the latter is a former Congressman and two-term governor.

Also at the event was Ted Cruz who, as much as it scares me, could become the next President of this country - once the outsider fascination goes away from Trump, Carson and Fiorina, he can lay claim to be an outsider of sorts and certainly the conservativest of the conservatives who have any shot (he has consistantly polled enough to get off the kiddie tables at the debates). He’s not a favorite, but unlike Jindal and Huckabee, it’s more difficult to just dismiss him out of hand.

And he was fucking there too.

And when called on it, he says “I don’t know what this gentleman has said and what he hasn’t said” before weaseling out of the question.

You can’t say that these views that gays should be put to death are not mainstream when three major Presidential candidates show up at his event in first-state Iowa.

Now some of you might want to bring ISIS into it - fundamentalist loonies who are, in fact, killing gays (among other people).

“Why aren’t you speaking out about them,” they will shrug. “It’s because you hate Christians but love your terrorist Muslims, you liberal rag-head sympathizer,” they will scowl.

Not really. And go fuck yourself.

ISIS is horrible. No kidding. Not much of a debate there.

But here’s the thing: As horrible as ISIS is, you don’t see them inviting mainstream Islamic leaders to their beheadings. That’s because ISIS would have no problem removing their heads too. Regardless, the mainstream governments in countries dealing with ISIS are fighting them, not joining them!

Whereas mainstream leaders in America running for the highest offices in the land are happy to associate with the “kill the gays” asshole, thrilled to share a stage with this bigoted lunatic.

All you assholes who say that all of Islam are terrorists, there’s more evidence that all Christians would be happier than this pastor in cow manure when we get to kill the gays - three more pieces of evidence, to be exact.

And hey there, so-called Liberal media, fuck you too. It was news for far too long when Obama was “linked” to terrorist Bill Ayers and some right wing wackos still use it on their talking points on why Obama sucks even though he barely met the dude and in fact both men resented the insinuation.

But aside from Rachel Maddow and a handful of Democratic-leaning blogs, there has been few mentions and even less outrage about these mainstream candidates for the highest office in the land actually palling around with someone who is using terror and hate without apology.

“Kill the gays” is a mainstream political position to have now in Republican politics. And if you are either a Christian or a Republican, you’ll evidently have to learn to live with it.

I agree that Kevin Swanson is a crazy Christian wingnut, but it’s disingenuous to say that his fevered rantings are part of the Republican Platform. Yes, three scumbag Republican candidates were there, but according to latest polls, those three pieces of shit account for a vast minority of Republican votes:
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[li]Cruz: 9.6%[/li][li]Huckabee: 2.4%[/li][li]Jindal: .8%[/li][/ul]
Again, yes: Swanson’s rant is amazingly wignut “Stop drawing smiley faces on puss-filled sores!”, and these candidates are fuckwads for sharing the stage with him. But let’s not exaggerate. With this clown-car crop of candidates, there’s just no need.

Also: there is no way in hell Ted Cruz will be President.

First, thank you John_Stamos’_Left_Ear for starting this thread. I was stunned to hear the unhinged, crazy ranting of this nutjob, in this day and age, and at an event designed as a platform for presidential candidates.

However, B. Serum, you’re being disingenuous in pretending that the Republican Party is not to blame here. They’re doing everything they can to court the religious right in general and evangelicals in particular. If they don’t like what this guy is saying, let’s hear them specifically denounce him and this position.

Part of why Republicans are in the strange position they are in right now is that they have tried to bring together an unholy constituency. They want and need the crazy nutjobs ranting about killing gays. Let them stew in his seeping pus.

Excellent pitting, fully supported! Fortunately for me, I don’t know this Swanson fella, but it sure seems like he’s fighting with some inner… uh, urges.

In general policy terms there’s plenty of denouncing that should be done, but there’s only so much time in the day. Denouncing every lunatic who is purportedly on your side would leave you with not much time to promote your own positions.

That said, I agree that those who attended the event should specifically denounce him. Otherwise, taking into account their actual social positions, it may imply that they agree with him.

Suggesting this involves denouncing “every lunatic” is also incredibly disingenuous. This was not just some guy on YouTube. Three Republican presidential candidates appeared at a forum in Iowa during primary campaigns.

This isn’t some trumped up “Why hasn’t [candidate] renounced Fred Phelps?” thing. This is a series of mainstream candidates having a guy speak for them who wants to kill all gays, among other wholesome positions. Let’s not get cute, let’s not try to inject some insane “but both sides do it!” story here.

Could you imagine if Obama attended a speech by an an equivalent nutjob? It would be 24/7 news, it would be all any Republican could talk about.

There’s this weird tendency to give Republicans a pass on shit like that because, hey, we already know they’re crazy, as if that’s some sort of defense or ameliorates their nutbaggery.

Wow, that guy is a lunatic. He might be more comfortable living in the Middle East.

That said, I agree with Ludovic here. Even though this has zero to do with the Republican platform and no sane person would agree with him, I think those who attended the event should issue a statement separating themselves from that complete nut.

But I’ll also take this opportunity to point out give the OP the back of my hand. It is simply a cheap lie to say that killing gays is part of the Republican Platform. He would do well to have a mod change the title, lest anyone think he’s a hyper-partisan douche.

Did you read my followup post?

Missed that it was you who posted both of them, actually. That’s fair enough, it should be held against the individual candidates rather than the republican party. Although given that they try to cater to the anti-gay crowd, it wouldn’t hurt them to denounce such a thing. Would they do such a thing, given that a significant fraction of their most fervent base actually believes such things?

Remember when McCain corrected the woman at the rally regarding Obama being an Arab? Remember how befuddled she was? How dumbstruck? How the crowd as a whole reacted poorly to McCain telling the truth to this woman’s face.

This is the same process. Republicans want people out there saying crazy things to crazy people as long as they can harness and control the resulting energy. That’s why they’re pivoting from anti-gay to “religious liberty.” They want the illusion that they and the 1,700 people at the “National Religious Liberties Forum” are on the same page.

They don’t want to take the mike from befuddled voters, tell them to their faces that they are wrong, and have them start muttering and booing.

Look, Harry Potter may have been mentored by Dumbledore, but he didn’t turn out gay.

In canon, that is. Don’t ask me about fanfic.

Elsa is a lesbian-recruiting bride of Satan? Taking on Pixar is one quixotic quest. Good luck, dude.

I know it’s totally sick of me, but that sounds like something that would attract the children’s fathers about the character :stuck_out_tongue:

First off, it wouldn’t shock me and many others if Kevin Swanson was found out to be a self-hating closet homosexual. That has happened many times already.

Second, I think it’s perfectly fair to tar GOP candidates who don’t denounce that hate speech, with the platform of wanting to exterminate gay people. President Obama distanced himself from the Reverend Wright back in 2008. These guys need to do the same and to apologize for being on the platform with him and answering his questions.

Until they explicitly denounce Swanson, I’m putting Cruz, Jindal and Huckabee into the same class as the Nazis who wanted to exterminate a whole class of people because of an accident of birth.

I’d say that it would be fair to also expect a denunciation from those who are on record as complaining about Wright. It is not impossible to believe that neither Obama nor the GOP candidates need to do any distancing.

At this point, it would surprising if he turned out NOT to be gay.

It’s not part of the Republican platform, but the party seems okay with this stuff on the fringe, only offering occasional and weak dismissals. They’ve probably calculated that there are enough base voters who really value this stuff that it would hurt them politically, at least in the short term, to utterly and absolutely reject it with vehemence.