But here’s how you can tell. If it tastes good it’s a cookie. If you don’t taste anything, because it tastes just like your mouth usually tastes, it’s the cow shit.
Uh, wow.
You really should read your posts aloud to yourself before hitting the “Reply” button.
To everyone else: Please believe me when I tell you this creep has no idea what the inside of my mouth tastes like, his fantasies notwithstanding.
By the way I’m still interested in the answers to these two questions
A) If the well-meaning medical establishment isn’t in the best position to 1) grasp all the complexities of trans care for children and 2) understanding all the downsides, then who is?
B) Why you think that state legislators who are making their career in promoting the hatred of trans people are better qualified to determine what treatment an individual child should receive than, that child, that child’s parents, that child’s doctor and the medical establishment, to the point that treating according to the standard of care should result in the child being taken away and the parents jailed?
I quite agree, the bans on gender care and abortion have nothing to do with healthcare.
Not the same level of confidence, no; but your sources disregard science and use dishonest tactics in their arguments just like flat earthers do. I’m sorry you can’t see that.
Well, that is specifically what this thread is about, so I’m not sure what you’re arguing.
Do you agree that the cause is homophobia?
OK so I have this friend he lives in Oakland. He wears an Atheletics Jersy every day to work, has the Athletics logo tatooed on his chest and named his son Ricky after left fielder Ricky Henderson. I ask him who he thinks is going to win the game between the Rangers and the Athletics tomorow night, and like every other night he says “The Athletics guaranteed” despite the fact that the Athletics have a win percentage of 0.287 vs the Ranger’s 0.591. But the next day I read in the paper that the Athletics won the game 2-Nil. How do I defend my belief that my friends prediction was based more on his bias for the team rather than a careful analysis of the teams strengths and weaknesses? I don’t, since the bias was obviously what led to his conclusion even if in this case he just happened to be right.
So you are in favor of banning liposuction? How about cataract surgery. It has much less than a 99.99% satisfaction rate.
Yeah. I don’t believe you. I think you are just transphobic.
Maybe someone will come up with bigotry blockers. I wouldn’t put it past the capabilities of pharmacy.
Yes, that would be a good invention.
Consider the aspirin.
There’s no doubt that aspirin can help prevent heart and vascular disease, but that doesn’t mean everybody should take an aspirin, because it does increase one’s risk of bleeding. There are some people in whom the benefits clearly outweigh the risks, and others in whom it clearly doesn’t. Then there are a lot of people in the middle for whom it’s hard to say.
It is still hard to say for sure exactly who should take a daily aspirin, but research is ongoing to give us better answers about it. But right now, different societies have guidelines that don’t quite agree with one another.
Following the logic used for gender affirming care, that means we should ban ANYONE from taking aspirin, and ban doctors from even talking about aspirin, and even those who have been on aspirin for years need to come off of it.
Yes. All your sources so far have proved to be crap.
Nonsense. Medicine improves over time. It’s never perfect. I’m sure the standards of care for trans kids will evolve. If politicians get the fuck out of the way and let them. That’s how it works with every other medical condition. It’s people like you who are trying to prevent that.
We know that Viagra causes serious problems more often than that.
Yes. Kids are literally dying, and you want to make sure that continues. Because if we let people try to address that issue, there’s a risk a kid might end up with too small a dick. Do you even read your own posts?
Peace out.
I think this is the definitive response to the magellan shit show. I don’t know why everyone continues to give him the attention he’s clearly looking for. His refusal to answer basic questions—e.g., why out of all medical procedures should this one be singled out?—his straw men (“I’m astounded all of you are so opposed to gaining new insight into this!” type bullshit)…it’s crystal clear what’s going on.
@Buck_Godot (and others) have already answered why his opinions are irrelevant. Right now, today, Republican legislatures have passed or will be passing laws that outlaw basic care. That (and other evils) is the subject of this thread. Not Magellan’s confidence in the medical community’s consensus. He’s not happy with the state of medical knowledge on this topic. Who gives a shit?
No, what we’re talking about is magellan01, transphobe. Why are we doing that? Let’s not.
I thought this was more or less a breaking news thread. Can we do that again?
There’s no actual debate here. Republicans, in general, want to dictate to doctors and parents how they should treat their children. Folks like @magellan01 are useful to them, because, whether due to ignorance or malevolence, they help spread lies about trans kids and treatment rather than fighting against Republican efforts to hurt trans kids and their families.
What’s the debate?
Magellan: biggest piece of shit on the boards, or only one of the biggest pieces of shit?
All of the cites are based on science and point to studies. Do you really think that any of the cites I’ve supplied are not aware of the prevailing science or are ignoring it? That might just show that you haven’t looked at them. The only one I’m not sure about is the link to the caseworker, but I think even that one. But certainly all the others.
Do you really think that any flat earthers are unaware of the prevailing science or are ignoring it? They just think it’s wrong and bend logic into pretzels to continue thinking so - just like your cites.
You’re conflating two different things. One is the pros/cons of a particular drugs. They pretty much all have both. But that has little to do with treating children in a way that what you’re giving them will retard their normal maturation processes. The original claim was that there is no down side and that they are completely reversible. We now know that that is not the case.
Two other things that make this very different is that 1) there are people who have gone through the puberty blockers, hormones, and even surgery who now regret what they’ve done and feel they will never live a normal life. They know they can’t undo all the treatments and surgeries and are pretty much stuck. 2) the negative dangers are so immense that someone really has to be sure they want this, and understand ALL the risks. Children, some as young as 10 years old, are asked to digest the information and make a good decision. That’s nuts. Kids can’t give informed consent when they can’t process all that information and the ramifications of the treatments.
As far as people over 18, let them consult with their doctors and families and make as an informed decision as possible. Hormones, surgery, whatever. But we shouldn’t be asking children to sort it all out.
That’s easy for you to make light of, but (assuming you’re male) do you think your life would be as enjoyable with the penis of a 10 year old and were incapable of having an orgasm.
True, someone’s life is more important than even that, which is why we should make sure they are under the care of a psychiatrist. For many, their dysphoria can be tied to lots of other psychological issues. So treating them can not only keep them alive but maybe even help with the dysphoria. And then, as mentioned, for many kids (the two numbers I saw are above 80%) dysphoria is eliminated when they go through puberty.
If my child had gender dysphoria I’d do everything I could to have him grow up to be a healthy adult. That would mean as as much psychiatric care as he needed and the chance to go though puberty. Not taking that approach seem cruel to me. [Shrug]