One of the reasons Herr Pind’s demand (later half-assedly clarified) that all immigrants have to “become Danish” was so poorly received by Western immigrants (the ones I know, I assumed it probably offended non-Western ones too). Why would anyone need to become Danish if they had no intention of switching nationalities?
And yes, every right-wing nutjob that watches these TV idiots pontificating about Scandinavia and its politics are experts on Scandinavia. Laugh (or cry).
Yeah, that’s your typical commienazi thinking, all right . . . or Boy Scout thinking, whatever . . .
And that’s a hard thing to pull off with PR-system parliaments!
I hate that place. I remember when it started as an emailing list (someone at my Swedish classes was involved in it from the beginning and signed me up very early on) but once the website started and they started allowing comments, well, I decided the place just wasn’t for me. Most of the people there aren’t the sort of immigrants that have been discussed here, they are economic migrants (like me, I came because my employer asked me to move here) or fell in love with a Swede when abroad and followed him/her here. I can’t for the life of me work out why they stay if they dislike it so much. Actually I can, I’ve met several people like them. Often they have had a kid, split up with the partner, feel they cannot leave and end up resenting the place.
But yes, The Local is a hateful little place. I have a friend that has had stuff published there. He has said never again, the comments got to him.
But since they seemed to believe that Germany would dominate the world (cite: Major Strasser’s dialogue in Casablanca) those two views are not incompatible.
Ahem, I don’t see ‘Tea Party’ listed in there anywhere. SUPPRESSION! MARGINALIZATION! Come see the Suppression and Marginalization inherrant in the system!
Heh.
I’m ashamed to say that this thought didn’t even cross my mind until I read this post.
GIGO might better have put it, they thought they were making the world a better place for Germans alone.
:eek: I don’t know if we want to go that far! Moderation, please!
But you do see RaleighRally’s Sweden Democrats, they have 20 seats in the riksdag.
OMG, they’re Democrats! That means American Democrats are Nazis too, even the moreso because they’re both Socialist!
Some of my son’s friends were on that island.
I want to say before I start my rant that physically, all of his friends are fine. A few had left to come home early, and all those who were there got away unharmed. It doesn’t change the fact that far too many of our children were killed there, but I am grateful for the small mercy that my son did not have to lose anyone. He, like many of the victims, is only 17.
Seventeen years old.
Why was he friends with these kids? Because he is also active in a political party’s youth movement. A different party, one that often finds itself in opposition to the Labor Party (and yet that Breivik probably also despises). Think about this: kids in different youth parties were friends. Why?
Because these are Good Kids. These are kids who share many goals. They want to make their country better. They want to make the world better. They want to share those things they think are good about Norway with the world, and they want to fix Norway’s problems, too. They believe in democracy, in human rights, in progress. They are our best and brightest, every one of them, no matter what party they think best fits their beliefs. And they go to meetings, and some of them go to summer camp, to learn about democracy and the political process and about organizing and getting out the vote.
They are not being indoctrinated by the “mother parties”, as they call the adult parties. In fact they are known for criticizing them, and in some cases even changing the mother party’s opinion and platform. They may not have the experience, but by god do they have the passion. Youth does that.
They are our best and brightest. And some monster stole more than sixty-eight of them from us.
Glenn Beck, kindly go stick your head in a pig. And Chen019, you go next.
Those of you who need to be reminded that most people are not like this, I encourage you to look at these photos of the rose march in Oslo. This happened in every city and town in Norway. It’s our country, and Breivik can’t have it.
Einar Gerhardsen, Labour prime minister of Norway at various points between 1945 and 1965, and Trygve Bratteli, Labour prime minister throughout the 70s, were both survivors of Nazi concentration camps.
Spain’s youngest senator (I’m too lazy to look up his name) wasn’t old enough to vote for himself, the first time he got elected. At the time he was a member of the Spanish Socialist Party’s Youth; when they were short on names for one of the ballots, his got chosen almost as a lark. But, because senators are voted for individually (you have to put an X beside the name and can vote for candidates from different parties, unlike all our other elections where you have to vote for a whole list), he ended up being chosen over other candidates from his own party. He wasn’t old enough to vote for himself, I said: at the time of that election, he was 17. By the time he had to be sworn in, he had turned 18, making his election legal and him able to serve for two legislatures (so, a total of 8 years).
I read an interview with him where, when asked what had been the other senators’ reaction to his youth, he said it had mostly been “oh great, someone who can tell us what people under retirement age think!” The other senators saw him as a representative of everyone under 50, not only of his party, and from what little I know, he tried his damnedest to be that.
The young people that have just been murdered were like him: vocal, wanting to make a better country and a better world, searching for answers beyond such horrid slogans as “people in [this part of town/province/country] vote for our party, Vote Us!” (which, sadly, is an actual electoral slogan from Spanish elections).
You and your family were among the first people I thought of, flodnak. My heart goes out to you and yours. I wish I could say something to make this cup of broken glass hurt less 
Oh, Lord, check this out. From the gruesome Mark Steyn, whom the killer quoted in his manifesto:
That’s quite amazing enough by itself, but of course he did kill Muslims:
Ssshhhhhh, don’t say that! If you say that then you’ll be admitting that the youth camp was actually Hitler Youth!
Yeah, this face. This is the one I was talking about.
I think it’s a stretch to compare them to Hitler Youth. Still, they apparently had an anti-Israel rally a couple days earlier. Actually I heard somewhere that one of the victims thought at first that the attack was theater to demonstrate the mistreatment by Israelis of the people in Gaza.
In my opinion, a good deal of the anti-Israel sentiment out there is just a mask for anti-Semitism.
And no, I’m not saying that they deserved what they got.
I’d like a citation for this claim, please.
I’m glad your son is safe, flodnak.
Can you tell some more, please, about the rose march? I don’t read Norwegian but those photos brought tears to my eyes. It seems like a beautiful tribute.
Hmm. Sounds a lot like the Young Democrats.