The Iranian government plans to stone a 43-year-old woman to death for adultery. Which she almost certainly didn’t do - her confession was coerced. But, hell, let’s say she did.
Stoning? Seriously, Iran, what the hell? How do you even find people willing to do this? I mean, it’s gotta take some serious time to stone someone to death - time they probably pass saying things like “please stop” and “why are you doing this to me?” and “oh god, it hurts.”
Same type of people who blow up civilians, laugh as they tear up reporters who got too close to a battlefield into pieces, calmly take guns from their car and open up on a bunch of protestors, beat up a suspect to within an inch of their life because he dared to talk back, shoot doctors in churches because a bunch of bronze age sheep herders wrote down their myths in his holy book, invade a country to get rid of a handful of men at the cost of tens of thousands of lives.
In other words your average human being. A little ignorance, some superstition, a little vengeance. Stir and serve.
America?
Stoning is only one small step from waterboarding, so it’s fair to say that we do things like that.
Some of us are even proud of our torturing ways.
Hmm, I wonder if there’s any difference between killing a woman in a painful way based on a coerced confession, and using carefully choreographed interrogation techniques against people who are credibly suspected of wrongdoing that could hurt lots of other people? Nah, no difference at all.
Squink was over the top in his comparison. But so were you by suggesting that waterboarding is an interrogation method. It’s torture, you sniveling chickenhawk, un-American, coward.
If you are serious here (which I’m hoping you aren’t), you are seriously deluded. Stoning is a small step from waterboarding?? WTF? Stoning is a large step from pulling someones finger nails out, electro-shocking their nuts or even poking their eyeballs out man! The ‘small step’ being that stoning is both more painful AND you fucking DIE at the end.
Sheesh.
And some of ‘us’ aren’t freaking nutters too, and can see that while torture is bad, death is forever.
Not at all. We tortured people under Bush. Iran is torturing people now. People died when we tortured them, they die when the Iranians torture them. Very similar really.
I didn’t like it when America did it, and I don’t like it when Iran does it, but I also don’t like it when people, such as Rand Rover, push the idea that Iran’s stoning of women is different in any fundamental way from America’s institutionalized drowning of ‘credible suspects.’
RR and the like seem awfully eager to ‘throw the first stone’ here, but then they liked throwing stones back in the days of Abu Ghraib too. Funny how the target changes like that over time.
I would say that in my moral framework torture that doesn’t kill is less bad than torture that does kill. Obviously stoning is intended to both humiliate and torture the victim.
But the reality is that waterboarding, while torture, and immoral, is less likely to kill someone than stoning. It can probably be said to be generally non-lethal.
Both are bad, but c’mon, I’ve seen video of stoning, and it’s up there in the evil-index.
Why not be honest? You didn’t like it when America tortured people and you voiced said complaint loudly and often. You didn’t give a rat fuck for when Iran did and does it…and you also don’t care for the fact that they torture AND judicially murder folks as well. And this woman is going to be judicially murdered for (in theory) simply fucking someone. And as a bonus, she is going to be killed in one of the most barbarous ways possible, one calculated to inflict the maximum amount of pain before death.
But really, it’s all about the US being just like Iran, ehe? Yeah, that’s the honest truth, to be sure…
Yeah…cause if the US tortured anyone that makes all the shit others do just go away. Works exactly the same as the ‘RR’ when they reverse it, no? The irony is you are as batshit loony as they are man…and the fucking hilarious thing is YOU DON’T EVEN SEE IT! Gods…it’s enough to bust a gut!
Anyway, thanks for the laugh. Troll on, and may the farce be with you…
Yup, only a difference in magnitude, not in kind. Once you let the torturing assholes out to play, you get horrible things done, no matter how many mission statements and procedural guidelines you have the lawyers draw up.
How is your position any different than some idiot saying that the US is good, right and just, therefore torture is justified? I’m genuinely curious how you see a distinction. To me you are the flip side of da crazy.
Sorry XT, I’m being honest. You’re the one making up tales about how I feel about torture in Iran.
It’s too bad you feel the need to vilify me.
Of course your villification doesn’t serve to excuse America, and no one in this thread has excused Iran.
I think you need to calm down a little.
You need only point me to some threads you either started or participated in (concerning America and our torturing ways, seeing as how this thread is about Iran and you are bringing up the US) decrying the ongoing tortures in, oh, say North Korea, Iran or…well, anywhere other than the US. I’ll gladly apologize and mosey on my way.
It’s a shame you feel the need to bring up US torturing in a thread aimed at another country setting out to judicially murder some woman for POSSIBLE fucking a man other than her husband. And purporting to do so in a way that makes waterboarding (which you have never had done to you, at a guess) look like a hug. Which makes electrodes to the nut sack (which, happily neither you NOR me has ever had done to them) look like a hug.
It’s the whole ‘death’ thingy you don’t seem to grasp. Nor the relative ‘pain’ factor.
The thing is, only YOU are trying to make excuses here. I’m not trying to excuse America. Personally, I don’t think what America did or didn’t do makes any fucking difference here. This thread is about Iran…
Oh, wait! All threads are about America! :smack: Sorry, I forgot. Of COURSE it’s evil that America tortured people, and that makes anything Iran does or doesn’t do hunky dory. To be sure. I mean, we tortured people after all.
Naw…I know you are simply trolling for ‘conservatives’. I’m just enjoying pointing at the nutter in the thread. It could have been Der Trihs, but surprisingly it’s you. I wouldn’t have guessed, based on my impression of you in past threads, but maybe I haven’t been following along closely enough lately and you’ve slipped over the shark…
Don’t forget that the US tortured prisoners during WWII, making us (and every other country that participated in that war) exactly the same as the Germans and Japanese. It’s all just a matter of degree, after all! We murdered a couple hundred (or even a couple thousand) prisoners, and they murdered millions of innocent men, women and children by herding them into gas chambers, starvation or simply shooting them in the back of the head.
No real difference, when you get right down to it…
I think the guy is usually beheaded under Muslim law (which, from memory, is a bitch to prove adultery under, needing several witnesses who actually see the act, again IIRC).