You need to go to your room and think about what you just said!
The Moskva got licked in the conflick.
Yes, and Russia beat his ass. You’d think they would learn from that.
Where did the USA get M-17 Russian helicopters? Is one of the former Soviet Union countries sending them, not the USA?
Apparently, they’re from the now-defunct Afghan Air Force.
If true then holy crap. Until I Googled it, Moskva used to be this weird helicopter carrier with a gigantic quarter-deck/flight deck. It turned out to have bad sea-keeping characteristics; I believe that it tended to plow as she steamed forward. Now Googling it, the Moskva name has been attached to a Slava class. Again, if true that’s very impressive.
I don’t know about ExpressCoUK specifically, but this is just old news with a sensationalized headline. Russia said some time ago that supplies flowing into Ukraine are “legitimate targets”, but much hinges on whether they’re attacked inside or outside Ukraine. If Russia were to be foolish enough to attack, say, a supply convoy while still in Poland, that would be a major and very serious escalation.
Thanks, Walken. Good job!
Indeed, if in Poland, that would be an attack on a fellow NATO member. I’m going to Google “Cold war home fall out shelter”.
If that’s one of the platforms launching missiles at cities then what a feather in Ukraine’s hat.
Sending a constant stream of weapons and other aid to Ukraine is dancing to Putin’s tune?
Methinks you’ve misunderstood my post and, no snark intended, that was a culmination of a preceding conversation in which I was discussing my thoughts that sending weapons and materiel to Ukraine is not enough and that perhaps NATO should actively intervene, Putin’s threats notwithstanding.
NYT is now posting about the Moskva:
Ukrainian missiles struck the Russian warship Moscow, Maxim Marchenko, the head of Odesa’s military forces, said on Telegram. Russia’s Defense Ministry said hours later “a fire” on the ship had caused ammunition to explode, according to the Russian state news agency Tass. It said that the crew had evacuated from the “seriously damaged” ship and the cause of the fire was under investigation.
Russian state media will probably soon announce that the Moskva has been converted into a submarine for a “special undersea operation”.
Wow, that’s terrific. A single Russian cruiser probably wasn’t having much of a material impact on the kind of bloody land war that this invasion has become, but the morale impacts to both sides could be enormous. Russian naval crews may become extremely reluctant to come within even a hundred miles or so of the Ukrainian coast. And an unhappy crew can create enormous problems for any warship – engines and equipment can mysteriously fail and more.
It is certainly possible one unit was forced to surrender while others fight on.
Russia is saying it was an onboard explosion - I don’t think they’ve said what caused it, but we can make a safe guess - and that the ship has been evacuated, so it’s very badly damaged if the crew couldn’t contain the fire.
Moskva is a BIG ship, well over 10,000 tons. Most navies don’t have ships that big anymore.
If a nation has a Navy of note at all, they probably have a 10,000 ton ship.
But I’ll agree, most nations don’t bother with Navies of note anymore.
It looks like there may only be three larger fighting surface ships in the Russian navy - one aircraft carrier and two battlecruisers. There are two other cruisers in the same Slava class as the Moskva. None of these ships are in the Black Sea.
Calling the Admiral Kuznetsov a “fighting” ship is a bit of a stretch.