Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)

I haven’t seen any recent news about Ukraine’s Navy. Are they sheltering in a foreign port?

Janes report, a couple weeks before the war. Ukraines only Frigate, the Hetman Sagaidachny, is undergoing repairs and modernisation at the Nubulon Shipbuilding plant.

They have a few other small ships. Nothing that could successfully fight the Russian navy.

Ukraine lost much of its navy in the invasion of Crimea in 2014, and more ships in the 2022 invasion:

(Above) The scuttled Hetman Sahaidachny.

The Ukrainians basically have a handful of patrol boats and some other support ships, with nothing substantial.

Well, that explains why Ukraine’s Navy is not a factor.

Living next door to Russia is perilous. It will always be that way.

[would-be evil dictator]Adds Ukraine to the list of small-to-medium countries that should not be invaded.[/would-be evil dictator]

Hmmmm, smaller than I thought.

I’m guessing that you are referring to the fact that the Admiral Kuznetsov (Russia’s only true aircraft carrier) has been out of service since the 2018 accident while it was in dry dock, and isn’t expected to be back to active duty before next year, at the earliest.

The ships aren’t to scale - a 59 m long boat looks bigger than a 186 m boat. One can read the ship lengths to see that the 186 m Moskva is fourth equal longest in the entire Russian navy.

This article is a week old. I learned the Moskva doesn’t have land attack cruise missiles like newer warships. The Moskva has 64 S-300F Rif air defense missiles.

Ukraine is a little safer with the Moskva out of service. But, the ships shelling the coastline are still in operation.

The battlecruiser Admiral Nakhimov is also undergoing repair and refit. So it looks like there’s only one active Russian warship larger than the Moskva, which is the battlecruiser Pyotr Velikiy, currently with the Northern Fleet in the Arctic.

Even when operational, back around 2016, its engines were so unreliable that it had to be accompanied by tugboats.

I’m not sure that they’ve finished the new dry dock yet. As you note, the last one sank. Not exactly the “fault” of the Kuznetsov, but it was the only dry dock large enough to refit the ship. We’ll see if the refit improves the engine situation.

“Nyet Ukrainski bomba. Eto bylo Comrade Ivan Ivanovich cigarettski dropski eto vyzvalo BOOM!”

You don’t need ships to fight ships.

Which reminds me, the PD-50 incident prompted my favorite Russian disaster euphemism:

Due to interruptions in the supply of electric power to the PD-50, the floating dock dived out in an off-design mode.

It seems that the Moskva may have also dived out in an off-design mode, all the way to the bottom of the Black Sea.

As one who can speak Russian, I could nitpick this. But I won’t. It is understandable to all posters here, I’m sure. And it made me laugh out loud, and for that, I thank you. :slight_smile:

Nice. :clap:
I like the tractor in the water.

Can I just say that not knowing military tactics, it seems like “Hey! Look over there! Tricked you and hit you from the other side” should be something that military people are prepared for.
in any case, if this ship really sank it makes me smile because “Russian warship, go f*&% yourself” sums up the Ukrainian response to this entire Russian invasion pretty well to me.

It would seem to be so.

Ukraine is claiming they destroyed a Russian ship. I hope they’re right.

word on russian media is that the Moscva successfully destroyed 2 ukr. rockets.

is there a somewhat key learning in this war?

hugely expensive war assets are nowadays more of a burden than an asset to have?