Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)

Excellent question. My WAGs are as follows, in order of most to least likely.

Ukraine keeps having conventional victories on the battlefield, and eventually liberate all of the currently occupied areas in Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Luhansk, and Donetsk oblasts (plus or minus Crimea - the overall outcome will be very similar). Russia keeps launching attacks from their own territory until they “run out of meat for the meat grinder.” At some point a coup is launched against Putin with the new government settling for peace.

The Ukrainian counterattacks eventually bog down and we end up with a WWI style trench warfare. NATO starts to question the ongoing supply of weapons, and Ukraine is forced to settle for keeping whatever areas they have liberated while Russia gets to keep the rest.

Nuclear armageddon.

Russia manages to conquer all of Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Luhansk, and Donetsk oblasts. Putin declares a victory.

Russia conquers the above noted areas plus more, but not all of Ukraine, then declares victory.

Russia manages to conquer all of Ukraine.

The Belgorod has been photographed in the Barents Sea.

Well, Belgorod is not a ballistic missile submarine. It’s primarily a special operations platform.

Apparently, it’s not particularly “missing” either.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/10/new-images-reveal-russias-missing-submarine-belgorod-in-arctic/

Well, the Belgorod is supposed to be carrying up to six Poseidon torpedos, a nuclear-powered and nuclear-armed underwater drone thought to be capable of traveling thousands of miles underway before detonating off the coast and causing a radioactive tsunami.

From The Guardian:

Russia has suffered significant losses in two of the four regions since Friday, when Putin signed treaties to incorporate them into Russia by force, with Russian officials saying their forces were “regrouping”.

“Perhaps it will confuse them if we run away more!”

I remember from history class that Germany lost territory after WWI.There were Germans living in those areas. Regaining territory lead to WWII.

The similarities with Russia are striking.

I’m totally with you on this. I’m glad the Ukrainians are winning, and given what they did to the Ukrainian populace it’s clear that some of the Russian troops are right bastards who deserve bad things to happen to them. But most of the Russian troops didn’t volunteer to be part of a crime against humanity, and are just trying to get through the day without getting killed. That is the bad thing about war. Even the “good guys” winning comes at a cost to mankind. Fuck Putin for making it so that having that Russian soldier being in that position is a “good thing”.

You may want to do a little more research.

Either that is Adolph’s version, or substitute “Germanic people” for “Germans”.

I just saw a video over on TikTok made by a Russian rapper who refused to be sent to kill. He explains, with a quivering voice, that he will not kill and he has no right to pull a trigger in an unjust war. He ends by saying he can choose between prison, becoming canon fodder or deciding for himself the way he dies.

I followed with a quick Google search, he jumped off a building. He was 27 years old. Poor lad.

Apparently the first trials of those refusing to sign their mobilisation papers are also starting.

I do hope such forms of resistance will eventually make a difference. Others will see their resistance and reports such as that Telegram conversation will seep through more and more. Suicides, trials and protests. It can’t be sustainable for the regime. But very sad for poor, frightened boys who have been let down by those they believed in. They’re paying with their lives and the debt was not theirs.

As I understand it, “German” is a fairly new concept. Even in Germany, there’s still a fairly wide diversity in the language.

Questions And Answers About German Dialects.

It’s always been more of a grouping than an identity, similar to Italy and its city-states. There’s no real reason that Austria and the Netherlands wouldn’t have been just as comfortable inside Germany as the all the other regions of it are. And, likewise, no reason that the country couldn’t have been comfortably split out into a bunch of smaller nations.

Again, as I understand it.

The parallels between Putin and Hitler are striking

Revanchism - Check.
Oppresion and scapegoating of a minority - Check.
Obsession with recovering “lost” territory - Check.

however I think that dwelling on them is counterproductive, it’s better to interpret Putin’s actions on their own than thinking of him as a second Hitler, history will be the judge of that in 10 or 20 years.

Agreed.

Yet another similarity. Human hair will be next.

A reminder of who and what we’re fighting.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/gold-teeth-pulled-from-ukrainians-found-at-russian-torture-chamber/ar-AA12DsQ5

Weird, gold teeth became very rare in the US by 1980. Must be older civilians or did Ukraine keep using gold?

Making comparisons to Nazi war strategies is, potentially, apt. Making comparisons to Nazi domestic policies involving the Holocaust is deeply offensive. I’m Jewish. If you’re not then you don’t have the privilege to tell me how I should feel about this.

I wasn’t making comparisons. The scale and duration of killing is completely different.

Its been known for awhile that Russians are torturing and killing civilians. It’s not uncommon in authoritative countries like Syria and Russia.

It’s the first time I’ve seen evidence of collecting materials from the Ukrainian victims.

Russian mobiks participate in the airing of grievances:

The Ukrainians are “returning” the supplies that the retreating Russians left behind.

Crucially, Russia has also left behind large quantities of Soviet-standard artillery shells that had nearly run out in Ukraine.

Ukraine’s New Offensive Is Fueled by Captured Russian Weapons (msn.com)

Good luck being the **First Sergeant given the task of instilling discipline in this group of mobilized civilians and inmates.

**whatever rank that is in the Russian military