Russia invades Ukraine {2022-02-24} (Part 1)

Sure! His name was Pablo Picasso. :wink:

I believe Poland is giving them to the US so that they can say that it’s the US, not Poland, that is providing jets to Ukrainian fighters. Kind of silly, since everyone knows where these jets will be going, but it’s probably the kind of public maneuvering that Polish politicians say they need right now.

so far nobody had been able to answer how they would access the Ukr. cellphone networks … would they hack into the systems (doubtful) … or would they just hit the next mall and buy 800 SIMS from T-Mobile … or would the russian embassy corner the SIM market weeks before an invation (nudge-nudge)

SERIOUS Question: anybody any idea how that whole setup is supposed to work (had it worked) in foreign countries???

It gives Poland cover so Russia can’t claim Poland is acting unilaterally in it’s “attack” on Russia. That’s also why Poland wants other countries with Russian craft to follow suit. The US also probably wants to scrub the planes of any NATO tech they don’t want the Russians to get their hands on.

Unserious answer: All I know is that those roaming charges have the potential to cripple the Russian budget worse than all the sanctions put together.

Crimean War II, non-elected bugaboo?

dont be silly … What are Ukrainians going to do? … impound russian tanks over this?

VP allegedly painted ‘Pattern on Frosty Window’ back in 2009 for a charitable auction. It fetched £750,000 ($982,000).

TIME Person of the Year: the Ukraine tractor farmer guy?

One would think a tracked AFV wouldn’t roll so easily. OTOH it is moving backwards and visibility for a tank driver would be nil.

From the Guardian Live Blog…
McDonald’s,Coke, PepsiCo, and Starbucks are temporarily closing in Russia.

This should get the public’s attention. State media can’t hide this from them. This is mostly a PR win in a state that controls the media.

Here’s a list of documented Russian equipment losses:

It doesn’t say how many of the captured vehicles were taken by the Ukraine tractor guy, but, with the quantity of such videos, it’s probably a significant portion.

Excellent news. Every single company in the west should follow suit. We ALL have to be in this. I think the public campaign got Coke and Pepsi on board.

ANY company that is doing business in Russia now needs to be identified and publicly shamed into joining the civilized world. If the only thing they will listen to is profit, profit, profit, then the public should take steps to make them see where their profit comes from.

Because Poland, which borders Russia, can honestly say they gave no fighter jets to Ukraine. Rather, they are simply exchanging their old MiG-29s for some newer F-16s. They’re just upgrading their air force and standardizing on a single fighter jet to go along with their existing fleet of F-16s. And for a bargain price? Why, who could turn down such a deal? It’s just good business. The Polish government is looking out for the taxpayer.

If the USA were to then give their newly acquired MiG-29s to Ukraine, well, Poland can’t control that, can they? Those are the USA’s property.

We think they might have just fallen off the back of a truck that happened to be driving through Ukraine. What can you do??

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top this!!!

some are gaming the system:

UNILEVER

no more exports and imports to russia …

(thats weasel-BS for: “We will still sell our stuff that we produce in russia, there - hence making a profit”)

Aww man, nobody needed to see that!

I’m sure it’s something like that, and I don’t blame Poland for not wanting to bear the brunt of Putin’s anger. Cynical me wonders if part of it was getting Germany to put a little skin into the game, rather than looking like just a US/Poland thing.

Not sure how much tech is involved in old Russian aircraft or what Poland used these particular planes for. Knowledge of any particular type of fast movers are beyond my guessing powers. I do know that some Russian aircraft were/are less reliant on electronics and used more hydraulics.

I hope those numbers are correct, but I always notch down reported numbers during a hot war. The old fog of war thing: things get double counted, things thought destroyed are not, blurry videos and amateur commentary are counted as fact. I’m not sure that even the Russians know what their losses are accurately.

Except that really fools nobody, certainly not Putin. I still think it’s a way to put the US at the forefront of the conflict, otherwise any NATO country could have “lost the location” of the MiGs.

Poland is thought to have 28 of the Soviet-era warplanes, and has been in negotiation with the Biden administration on a three-way deal to supply Ukraine with air power, on condition that the MiGs would be replaced by newer US jets.

The deal has the effect of sharing the risk of Russian retaliation with the US, which will decide how and when to hand them to the Ukrainian air force.

And apparently I’m wrong, the article doesn’t mention Germany in reprisals at all.

Has anyone found any articles about Ukraine pilots? Their training and experience?

I know a famous Ukrainian acrobatic pilot died early in the war. I wish he had been used training pilots.

Finding a secure airstrip is going to be a big concern. Bombed out planes aren’t very useful.

That link actually has photos or videos for each item in the list. It’s possible there’s some double-counting, but the photos generally seem pretty clear and have details that distinguish them from each other.