Wow, watching that while thinking about Mafia is really funny!
Paranoia…paranoia…paranoia…
please don’t. no don’t. horrible mistake. his debit card still functions. c’mon one last convenience store run first. please no.
he must be nuts. not thinking right. yeh, that its it, not thinking right. he just needs his meds and he will be AOK
ok, squiddly that’s all i got.
pot
Ugh, I knew I should have checked this thread earlier in the day… Who knew there’d be a full page added on Saturday? Usually it’s just me and about one other, hitting refresh every five minutes.
Since I’m catching some heat for what I said about ending the Day, I’d better defend myself: It’s inherent in the game that at some point votes are locked in. Everyone was expecting their votes to be locked in yesterday during the day, and so far as I can tell, most of us were OK with that possibility. If jpei had cast his Leader-vote immediately, and nobody changed their votes on Saturday, we’d be in pretty much the same situation as we would have been with a Friday Day-end. So if the Friday end was acceptable, then a Saturday end should have been, too.
Of course, that was assuming that nothing much would happen on Saturday, which I thought was a safe assumption… pokercpa’s games of peeker with himself are more exciting than the typical Saturday. But then along comes Boozahol. When I read that, I was confused: Wait, what had he claimed? But no, he hasn’t claimed anything-- That was his claim.
I already have a vote on Wanderers for his soft-claim, but the difference here is that he apparently didn’t have the option to keep completely quiet about it. Boozahol did, and in fact wasn’t even under any particular pressure. That makes his play objectively worse than Wanderers’, to my eye.
Unvote Wanderers[color]
[color=blue]Vote Boozahol
NETA: That unvote is supposed to be in red, of course.
Unvote Wanderers
unvote
Thing Fish, you linked the same post twice.
@Chronos
Come on here. I’m seeing the objectivity front as a way to invoke plausible deniability. This game isn’t objective, and frankly, if it were, it wouldn’t be worth playing.
I think Boozy’s claim was unnecessary, but I don’t see a scum motivation for it. In fact, I’m fairly certain he’s town.
Well, the excitement never stops, does it? I’m not even going to begin to try to break down the layers of anti-town in the last 12 hours of gameplay tonight.
On the bright side, there’ll be plenty to analyze later, right? Right?
jpei, you don’t know me very well. I approach everything objectively, and it’s my opinion that a lot of things people think can’t be done objectively actually can be.
You’re right, I don’t. I still question the wisdom of focusing on the this piece of objective evidence when there’s so much other data out there as well.
I am town. I’ll offer some evidence of my powers tomorrow, but I don’t feel the need to do so right now. I don’t feel any particular reason to unvote peeker, claimed Doctor or not, and I’ll just go ahead right now and announce I’ll be pushing for his lynch toMorrow, as well.
Are you trying to get yourself (night)killed?
This game is fabulously interesting so far, even if it does make me want to bash my head against a wall.
@ Jimmy – LOL.
jpei, don’t drag this on forever. I’m glad you haven’t chosen to end it on the weekend, but put us out of our misery before too much longer, OK? Something like five or six hours from now for your vote would be reasonable for me as it would probably afford me enough time before the end of the Day to take another look at players like peeker, Chronos and BillMc, but that’s just me.
Indeed. We will be using our back-up plan before too long if nothing changes.
jpei (1): Freudian Slit
peekercpa(3): Gryph, Boozahol Squid, PI, Cold Phoenix
Drain Bead (3): Normal Phase, USCDriver, CatInASuit
Bill MC(6): Jimmy Chitwood, Drain Bead, tiltawhirl, Alka Seltzer, Daphne Black, Allwalker
Boozahol Squid, PI(3): Bill MC, Thing Fish, Chronos
CatInASuit (1): amrussell
Cold Phoenix (1): Oredigger
shoot, i got the message loud and clear long ago.
bumps the turntable.
Just when I was ready to vote for Chronos for his stubborn insistence that OaOW makes a full disclosure, he switches his vote to Boozy. Chronos’ votes are consistent at least.
We certainly have had a long and eventful day one, with more than its share of claims.
**OaOW **was mod-claimed, and after asking the town’s advice, kept quiet about the details. This seems fairly reasonable to me.
Drain was the vote leader when she claimed vanilla and said that hers would be a mislynch, but better than a catastrophic mislynch. This also seems reasonable. Claiming vanilla, if you are indeed vanilla, doesn’t give the scum very much and helps clarify things for the town. It does leave a smaller pool for the power roles to hide in, but it doesn’t really look like our power roles are into hiding. :rolleyes:
peeker, worried that he would be next on the block, claims A doc, stirring up some questions about peeker’s use of an uppercase letter. :dubious: The claim seemed premature, but peeker explained that his schedule was unknown. I am not sure what to make of this. While peeker did have an explanation for all his actions, they nevertheless seem suspicious to me. This claim, if true, gave a lot of information to the scum, and did little to help the town.
jpei claims town governor and extends the day, just as we were getting ready to lynch him. I still have some questions about whether he will just be vanilla toMorrow, or if there was a #2 to his role, not to mention the question about if this day will ever end. But his claim was clearly self-preservation and does not seem to give a lot to the scum.
Boozy’s partial claim, on the other hand, makes even peeker’s look sane. I see no reason or explanation for it. 
Is he a suicide bomber PFK that needs to be killed at night? I just don’t get it, but reluctantly will not vote him now, pending his further info in the mOrning.
I am in the end going to vote to lynch the lurker. BillMc said he was busy early in the week, but hasn’t managed to come back, and his explanation for his Boozy vote was definitely odd.
Vote: BillMc
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and
<bleached>
yeh, kind of nuts, wasn’t it.
All right.
For one data point, Boozy’s pseudo-claim has pulled at least one vote off of jpei – mine. I was planning on revoting as soon as jpei restarted the clock, but now I just can’t justify it, much as I’d like to punish his/her not only anti-town but also profoundly annoying play.
Speaking of which, I’m still quite skeptical of peeker’s claim. But I’m also not willing to risk a day 1 Doc lynch on it.
Oredigger is looking much more townie than when I made my case; I’m not going to put my vote back there. I also feel like TexCat has done enough since the jpei coup that I don’t feel comfortable putting my vote (which was mainly a Lynch the Lurker vote) back there.
Boozy as far as I can tell is being Boozy; I think he was right that a semi-Mason claim was needed to keep jpei alive so I don’t see that as unwarranted.
Chronos and his “objective data” fetish is pinging me all over the place.
There are three cases outstanding that are basically Lynch-the-Lurker cases: ColdPhoenix, CatInaSuit, and BillMC. Digger’s case that Cold was a serial bandwagon-jumper would be more convincing if he hadn’t jumped on to the wagon of a claimed Doc; it doesn’t seem like the attention-avoiding behavior I’d expect from a scum playing that game. In the case of the BillMC wagon, I would point out that though several people interpreted peeker’s indefinite-article claim as claiming multiple docs, only Boozy placed a vote on that basis. (I noticed that straight off, but was hoping Bill would show up and say it for himself.) amrussel’s case against CatInaSuit is the most convincing to me.
So I’m going to
vote CatInaSuit
for a weak vote on DB and minimal participation in general.
I should note re: Chronos, though, that I’ve pretty much ALWAYS thought he’s scum in games where we’ve played together or I’ve watched unspoiled.
Nope. Just trying to avoid getting myself lynched. The votes at this point are relatively close.
I invite you all on a tour of my mind. Why now? Well I could answer, but I’d be getting ahead of myself. But first, the role PM:
[spoiler]Your role is:
Head Miner (Town Governor)
You are the most efficient and most leader-like of the miners–a rare combination. As such, you were founder of the local branch of the Miner’s Union (no affiliation with the warmongering unions elsewhere on the planet) and you quickly garnered much respect from the town**, along with lots of berynium from union dues.** With this respect, you can easily establish yourself as town leader for the day…for a day. Even your commanding figure will come under fire if you attempt to sway the town more than once. There will be mutterings. Don’t do it.
Summary:
- At anytime during the Day, you can simply declare yourself to be town leader for the day, and it will be so. You cannot do this more than once.
2. Your efforts to organize the miners have earned you lots of berynium. This does nothing significant, but it is shiny.
(bolding mine)[/spoiler]
Summary #1 is nice and straightforward. Summary #2… not so much. In 100 games with this ambiguous text, all 100 games would not have this as a pro-Town mechanic. I’m shiny. Robots are shiny. I conclude that I’m also a miller. A possible cop with a role that spots shiny things (Jewelry Certifier? Peeping Tom? I have no clue) would know for sure. Sure, my power could save the game, but that would require extraordinary circumstances. We’re unlikely to elect a known scum into the Leader position, so the optimal conditions for taking over would require that the Leader do something especially scummy and reveal alignment. Chances for a cop claiming and declaring that I’m scum are significantly higher. Anyway, on with the game.
I disagree with this. As uncertainty remains regarding the leader role, it is in town’s interests to secure the leadership. People voting for themselves would be in line with this. Scum presumably do know whether they wish to hold the position or not, and they’re given a free pass here.
People discuss the merits of a Miller claim, and the consensus seems to be as early as possible. Of course, given my role, I’m not about to stop discussion just yet.
The fact that my role involves the Leader (as does OaOW’s, although I did not know this at the time) and that there was already a mechanism in place for a second Leader if the first is incapacitated makes me think the Leader mechanism as pro-Scum. I post my thoughts on this, twice. But I’m still on the inactivity check list, leading to:
In my response, I bury the line:
The keyword being “shine.” I’m hoping that a cop would catch that and not waste a night action on me. Of course, I can also point back to it later, if need be.
I disagree with Normal Phase and OaOW’s reasoning, but the one that stands out to me is:
A bandwagon vote with strawman, slippery slope, and plausible deniability thrown in. I’m not advocating silence, I sure as hell don’t want no one to vote (are you even reading my posts?), and inaction and silence are two different concepts.
At this point, I realize I have a solid chance of being investigated tonight and decide to claim this day. As I have all day, the idea (so it goes) is to attract bandwagon votes while denying a strong reason as to reduce the number of townies caught in the vote. Near the end of the day, I’d claim without revealing miller status, and generate a second set of votes. After a few days, I’d show the miller part to explain myself and agree that I’d need to die. However, those who contribute to this third set of votes would be the most suspicious of all. I’d trade power for info and to avoid a mislynch. To follow this, I add a:
Her condition for holding the vote had certainly not been met, so I sought to force her to justify the weak argument or appear weak in unvoting. If she turned out to be more aggressive, I would have fit in with my image by declaring “Then to earn your trust I’ll roleclaim by the end of Day Two” (when I had planned to already be dead) and hoped she would get negative points for goading a noob.
peeker is looking mighty funny for all the reasons said in the thread. He has picked a fight with Tom Scud, roleclaimed Doc prematurely, and refused to reveal even a role name. This, however, seems orchestrated. The advice I find best is:
Minus the lynching her part, of course.
I also agree that CatinaSuit made a weak vote here, although his actual participation was not as low as I remembered. My activity here was quite low as I essentially didn’t sleep Tuesday night and slept through Wednesday.
Of course, I claim in post 690, and naturally some heads turn (I had to google pedescribe to make sure only one power would still be labeled 1.) I will add that the one who hasn’t posted for a while, Freudian Slit finally unvoted Drain Bead and voted for me.
The post that catches my eye the most is:
“Shiny” - it reappeared. 468 posts after my original shiny line. As I highly doubt a godfather would be aware of the particulars of the mechanics enough to read into shiny, I now consider Boozy confirmed. Either he’s a cop, or a fellow miller. By his post, he confirms me likewise.
He’s a fellow miller, and as such wouldn’t mind so much being the nightkill.
Which brings us all to:
I find FS, BillMC, and peeker suspicious. I’m not voting for peeker as something feels off. Although I find FS more scummy, I’ll vote for BillMC as that has a higher chance of getting a lynch. I’m unwilling to provide more data points as I could be conflating anti-jpei for anti-town.
If you believe my tale, I’d suggest that power roles work as follows:
Doctors should protect Boozy preferentially (as he still has a role) followed by OaOW and me.
Vigilantes should aim for peeker.
And with that,
Vote BillMC.