Screamers Mafia

[ColdPhoenix]

An idea regarding the night kills. Perhaps scum get to take out 2 townies a night at the expense of one of their own?

**Jimmy **was the arranger, perhaps he arranged the pile of bodies?

If it is the case I’m thinking the scum death must be random as he was a scum investigator. Though maybe all the scum are investigators as (from a quick scan of the wiki page on screamers) in the movie the screamers could sense people’s heart beats.

More likely a vig/seriel killer though. And I suppose that theory will be proved/disproved tomorrow morning.

[ColdPhoenix]

Looks like boozy’s certain to be leader now. Anyway, I’ve been impressed with Tom’s analysis.

Elect Tom Scud

[Normal_Phase]

@Drain_Bead

Again, was this claim really necessary?

Normal Phase, is the fact that I am still alive really that much of a shock to you? I would have been shocked to turn up dead. I was one of the highest vote-getters during the Day and my wagon was derailed by a scum. I’m a vanilla, so not a high-priority NK target. Nice setup for a mislynch, if you ask me–why waste a NK on me when eventually the Town would do it?

Honestly, I think the number of times Jimmy and I were visibly on the same page is a somewhat amusing point in my favor. If I were Scum, and a fellow scum managed to divert a lot of attention from me, I certainly wouldn’t go bringing it back on both of us by making what was essentially a “me too” vote right behind his that started the eventual final wagon.

At this point, I see myself as playing on borrowed time. I know Scum and probably a few Town will be pushing for my mislynch at some point and the eventual end of that will reap lots of info in voting records and won’t have the drawback of forcing power roles to claim. So, in sum, bring it on if you want to, but know that lynching me won’t provide an easy hiding place.

This post just really puts in a nutshell all the problems I had with your play yesterday. And I was thinking, all right, nobody sees it but me, but now it turns out that a Scum investigator had a lot to do with that. To take it bit by bit:

Normal Phase, is the fact that I am still alive really that much of a shock to you?

Where on earth might you have gotten the idea that I was commenting on you being still alive? Obviously I’m referring to Jimmy Chitwood being a Scum investigator and also instrumental in dismantling the bandwagon against you. You’re just as obviously aware of that by what you say later, so why blow smoke?

Honestly, I think the number of times Jimmy and I were visibly on the same page is a somewhat amusing point in my favor. If I were Scum, and a fellow scum managed to divert a lot of attention from me, I certainly wouldn’t go bringing it back on both of us by making what was essentially a “me too” vote right behind his that started the eventual final wagon.

Don’t tell me “Scum wouldn’t do that.” I don’t know what roles the Scum have in this game. For all I know you are only the “goon” variety – deputized, therefore, to take the potential heat that might come from contesting Chronos’ alignment claim suggestion; and designated as the person to do the relatively risky job of helping Jimmy make the “lynch the lurker” bandwagon look viable.

And in any case, to all appearances you were at low risk of being questioned on that. Jimmy Chitwood gained himself a lot of Townie cred by the end of yesterday and must have believed he was unlikely to be exposed by death (or even investigation, for that matter). You naturally tend to believe the person who believes you; you vote the way he does because you think he makes sense – nothing to question there at all. Until Jimmy does die, and turns up Scum.

At this point, I see myself as playing on borrowed time. I know Scum and probably a few Town will be pushing for my mislynch at some point and the eventual end of that will reap lots of info in voting records and won’t have the drawback of forcing power roles to claim. So, in sum, bring it on if you want to, but know that lynching me won’t provide an easy hiding place.

Are you seriously insinuating that anyone voting for you is likely to be Scum? You act like you’re all-but-confirmed Town, when that is anything but true. Jimmy was a Townie’s Townie and was Scum; I certainly think you can be.

On other matters – Gryff’s claim. My first instinct is to wish you’d kept it to just talking about the tiara. I’m not sure how the rest of the information helps us, at this point.

[Stanislaus]

Thinking about the necessary qualifications for leader, all I really want is someone who can commit to voting at a pre-established time. Being totally confirmed would be a bonus, but as Boozy is sufficiently prolific to all but guarantee he’ll be around to vote at the right time, I might as well:

Elect Boozy

[Gryff]

@Normal_Phase

On other matters – Gryff’s claim. My first instinct is to wish you’d kept it to just talking about the tiara. I’m not sure how the rest of the information helps us, at this point.

I would have like to, but really, who would have accepted me just saying “I did it to myself” without demanding more?

[CatInASuit]

Ok, looking over Jimmy Chitwood.

WoW having found out he was scum.

#39, #70: fluff
#92: Is not concerned about the leader on the first day, makes some suggestions about how the leader should play
#164: Elects AllWalker, comments on the best play for a scum day 1 leader is the same as a day 1 town leader.
#168 Comment about advantage of scum nightkilling the leader he is not seeing
#172: Comment about leader being elected each Day
#259,#260: Comment to OAOW about claiming as in don’t if you are hesitant. Is satisfied at this point that it is the role not another player’s action.
#268: Comments about reading which way Leader votes
#276, #282: fluff
#321: Response to Alka Seltzer for Normal Phase
#322: Disagrees with Chronos’s reasoming over his vote for OAOW
#348: Comment to peeker about his attack on Tom Scud. Says reasoning has changed but intensity has not, no good reason for it and votes peekercpa
#352: Response to and analysis on peekercpa. This line really jumps out at me - I’ll take my chances since you aren’t helping my team much anyway.
#355: comment on peekercpa not answering question
#363, #365: fluff
#383: Is town aligned
#463: Analysis on the Drain Bead thread. Interesting post. JC says the first point raised by amrussell is not legitimate and that DB’s actions were consistent over her actions towards OAOW and Chronos. Secondly is willing to give DB the benefit of doubt over her paranoia towards the Lie Detector because the same occured to him. He also points the finger carefully without naming players over those who jumped on the Drain Bead wagon to begin with. I would hazard a guess then that those initial people are more likely to be town then.
#472: response to peekercpa
#474: fluff
#484: Response to peekercpa’s claim of doctor
#486: unvotes
#503: Smear on Oredigger about OAOW’s partial roleclaim. Prods peekercpa about single/multiple docs in town
#563: Queries GuiriEnEspana about ratifying Nanooks vote for peekercpa
#565: fluff
#630: votes BillMC over his vote for Boozahol Squid, P.I.
#636, #645: fluff
#654: Comments on scum claiming doc on first day. This line jumps out. **To be very clear, though, I think that his claim is a lie. ** referring to peekercpa.
#738: Comment about jpei’s use of power. Also asks for someone to look at BillMC
#746: Questions whether jpei’s power would be scum or town, whether it was good play or scum play
#776: fluff
#809: says last 12 hours of gameplay has been anti-town
#825, #830, #833: fluff
#875: Says the following: For what it’s worth, I don’t think it’s a good idea to try to give peeker a witch trial by vig. Whether or not the vig is successful doesn’t turn on whether or not he’s scum; it turns on whether or not he’s a doctor with the ability to self-protect.
#917: Comment on amrussells vote list as a good starting point for investigation. This probably means the people who voted next for BillMC are more likely town.
#963: fluff

Well a few things certainly jump out, mainly over peekercpa.

There is an interesting comment from #352 about his team. If he was considered town this could be inocuous, but as he is scum, it could get a whole new meaning. Is he referring to his scum team or the town. A second question would whether peekercpa is on his team or not? Is peekercpa a townie causing trouble, which at the time was between peekercpa and Tom Scud, a first vote for JC given reasonable excuse against a townie, or a vote for a fellow scum who was annoying him.

The next strong comment is #654 where he states that he does not believe peekercpa’s claim at all. It is a lie. To me though, this contrasts quite a bit with his statement in #875, where he does not think we should try to night Vig peekercpa. Note, his position has changed from peekercpa is a liar to maybe he is a doc who may or may not be able to self protect. I find this really suspicious. If he thought peekercpa was a lying scum then surely a Vig would be a good idea? There is nothing in between to suggest that he has changed his mind on it.

peekercpa - you are looking might scummy atm.

In other news the following are likely townie from the comments above

from #463 as 3rd/4th/5th voters for Drain Bead with little explanation when voting.
Alka Seltzer
Daphne Black,
Freudian Slip

from #917 as the next 3 BillMC voters
Alka Seltzer
Daphne Black
AllWalker

Well, isn’t that a surprise. We have a matchup there of two people. I think JC may have unwittingly pointed out two townies.

[ColdPhoenix]

Perhaps the doilie can be used to hide the shiny stuff?

[Tom_Scud]

@Normal_Phase

On other matters – Gryff’s claim. My first instinct is to wish you’d kept it to just talking about the tiara. I’m not sure how the rest of the information helps us, at this point.

Really? If he’d posted “I had this tiara. I put it on. It didn’t do what I expected it to.” and left it at that, he wouldn’t have been prodded by half a dozen people asking for a better explanation than that?

[Oredigger77]

@Tom_Scud

Really? If he’d posted “I had this tiara. I put it on. It didn’t do what I expected it to.” and left it at that, he wouldn’t have been prodded by half a dozen people asking for a better explanation than that?

The easier answer would have been to give the same one that Boozy is presumably going to give, “Someone gave this to me”. I don’t like all of these role claims since we killed off the scum investigator they either have to figure out who the power roles are or they can be told who the power roles are. We seem to be making it easy for them and I don’t like that.

It looks like boozy is out leader toDay and I am curious what item was given to him and what it does. As far as when the Day should end i think we need to have it end on Thursday (Wednesday vote) so we can slowly switch our Days over to weekdays without having another marathon Day.

With the scum being able to talk during the Day i think it’s a good idea to look for any patterns of someone rapidly changing how they’re playing or their style of play it might be a good sign of someone getting their leash yanked on the scum board.

[Thing_Fish]

@peekercpa

just a couple of questions:

boozy

do you consider a doc as beneficiatl to town?

if so, if that doc is in danger of lynch should they claim?

if they claim should they be lynched to prove their claim?

if not, why would you accept it or reject it?

if you reject, then what would be your next steps?

if lynch, how the FUCK does that help town?

or should a doc on the verge of lynch claim nilla?

if not should they just keep yap shut and screw town?

easy questions for our next leader.

waiting on that martini. or are you tied down?

@Boozahol_Squid_P.I

Yeesh, a squid’s only got ten arms, ya know. Gin, dry, shaken, I presume?

It’s not that I’ve got some sort of fetish for lynching doctors, peek. I just can’t read your claim as anything other than a preventive announcement that there would be a counterclaim, and I can’t see why an actual Doc would do that. Now a scum playing Doc, that I could see.

Noted that peeker’s long, impassioned argument completely failed to touch on the actual reason that Boozy, myself and others have given multiple times for mistrusting him.

[Thing_Fish]

@DaphneBlack

I don’t think Boozy is confirmed town, but he’s been acting in a strongly pro-Town manner in a lot of ways.

@AllWalker

I think boozy is more likely to be Town than Scum at this point, .

@tiltawhirl

Boozy is pretty well confirmed as town,

Noted that there appears to be a correlation between being willing to trust **Boozy **and being willing to jump relatively late onto the **BillMC **bandwagon.

[Gryff]

@Oredigger77

The easier answer would have been to give the same one that Boozy is presumably going to give, “Someone gave this to me”

What happened to “Lynch the liar”?

…snip… I am curious what item was given to him and what it does.

Why?

[Normal_Phase]

@Tom_Scud

Really? If he’d posted “I had this tiara. I put it on. It didn’t do what I expected it to.” and left it at that, he wouldn’t have been prodded by half a dozen people asking for a better explanation than that?

I don’t think I would have. I can’t speak for anyone else. But as much as I hate soft claims made for what I see as bad (or completely inexplicable) reasons, I don’t think I’d have had a problem with this one. Again I ask – what good does it do Town to know anything that Gryff told us, beyond the cause of his paired afflictions? He seems to be claiming somewhat of an inventor role – does that make him more or less likely to be Town than if he’d left it at something like you said? If he’s Town, does that make him more or less a good target for Scum? For myself, I think it says next to nothing of his alignment (yet) and also makes him more likely to be NKed if he is Town.

I’m not trying to give him a hard time for the fuller claim. I think you’re right he would have gotten a lot of complaints, warranted or not; I can’t really blame him for pre-empting all of that noise. I just personally would have preferred him to stay quiet.

[Oredigger77]

@Gryff

What happened to “Lynch the liar”?

I don’t think it would have been a big stretch to say you’re someone. It doesn’t matter it’s too late now. Of course if we can flesh out some of these partial claims we might be able to start coordinating your powers to both confirm you guys and find scum.

[Tom_Scud]

@CatInASuit

Ok, looking over Jimmy Chitwood.

There is an interesting comment from #352 about his team. If he was considered town this could be inocuous, but as he is scum, it could get a whole new meaning. Is he referring to his scum team or the town. A second question would whether peekercpa is on his team or not? Is peekercpa a townie causing trouble, which at the time was between peekercpa and Tom Scud, a first vote for JC given reasonable excuse against a townie, or a vote for a fellow scum who was annoying him.

I seriously doubt Jimmy would have voted for a fellow scum out of annoyance; if there was a peeker-Jimmy scumfight, it would have been at least somewhat coordinated on the scum board, something like" hey peeker, go whack at someone, when they OMGUS you I’ll jump on and start a wagon on you, then when it gathers steam you can claim Doc".

So possible slip about being on the same team, but more likely deception IMO.

[Tom_Scud]

Just did a run-down on DB, and only really came up with one interesting bit:

@Drain_Bead

Usually scum can only chat at Night.

That, while true, turns out to be misleading as regards this game’s setup.

[Drain_Bead]

@Normal_Phase

Where on earth might you have gotten the idea that I was commenting on you being still alive? Obviously I’m referring to Jimmy Chitwood being a Scum investigator and also instrumental in dismantling the bandwagon against you. You’re just as obviously aware of that by what you say later, so why blow smoke?

I wasn’t sure what you were talking about, so I figured I’d cover all possible bases in one post.

Don’t tell me “Scum wouldn’t do that.” I don’t know what roles the Scum have in this game. For all I know you are only the “goon” variety – deputized, therefore, to take the potential heat that might come from contesting Chronos’ alignment claim suggestion; and designated as the person to do the relatively risky job of helping Jimmy make the “lynch the lurker” bandwagon look viable.

Two misrepresentations here: First off, you’re once again claiming that I had some sort of problem with the alignment claim suggestion other than “everyone needs to do it.” The problem I had with the alignment claim suggestion was not the same problem that scum would have had in the least. The other one is that you claim that Jimmy voted based on “lynch the lurker,” when it was clearly due to BillMC’s vote based on faulty logic. That it later turned into LtL was the fault of the voters who came after, when Bill had long-since stopped reading the thread. I know I didn’t vote based on LtL reasons–I loathe LtL on Day One. I’ve never seen a LtL this early in the game that resulted in anything but a vanilla town lynch, to the point where I actually seriously considered changing my vote once it became clear that Bill wasn’t coming back, but at that point I was just hella sick of the Day going on as long as it had.

And in any case, to all appearances you were at low risk of being questioned on that. Jimmy Chitwood gained himself a lot of Townie cred by the end of yesterday and must have believed he was unlikely to be exposed by death (or even investigation, for that matter). You naturally tend to believe the person who believes you; you vote the way he does because you think he makes sense – nothing to question there at all. Until Jimmy does die, and turns up Scum.

I’m not sure what you’re getting at here, other than it seems like you’re saying that I’m scummy because I agreed with someone who later turned out to be scum, who also agreed with me? Scum knows I’m Town. Chances are in the Day discussion, they said “Hey, we’ve got a vanilla here, let’s try to derail this wagon and see if we can focus on a juicier target.” And it sure did work (we ended up losing jpei and potentially outing peeker if he is who he says he is), with the side effect of casting suspicion on me if Jimmy happened to die before I did.

Are you seriously insinuating that anyone voting for you is likely to be Scum?

Nope, hence why I said that both Scum and Town would be joining in on my lynch when it happens.

[Chronos]

No time for in-depth comments, but let me start off by saying that what Gryff revealed wasn’t at all what I had expected. I didn’t think it could be anything he did to himself, because after all, who would deliberately disqualify himself for Leader and put a lynch vote on himself? It didn’t even occur to me that he might not have known what it would do. I’ll need to think about this some more, but (pending Boozahol’s confirmation that he got a present), I think I believe him.

And the only thing I know about doilies is that they’re the gateway to ULTIMATE COSMIC POWER, but that’s the wrong canon.

[Drain_Bead]

@Tom_Scud

Just did a run-down on DB, and only really came up with one interesting bit:

Curious as to what post number that’s from, Tom. Because after it was announced we’d be able to strategize at night, I then brought up that in the only game where I could Night-strategize, the Scum could Day-strategize, and the mods later confirmed that. So I think it was pretty clear that I didn’t know about the Night/Day strategy thing at all. I want to see the context in which that original line you’re quoting was made.

[Tom_Scud]

@Drain_Bead

Curious as to what post number that’s from, Tom. Because after it was announced we’d be able to strategize at night, I then brought up that in the only game where I could Night-strategize, the Scum could Day-strategize, and the mods later confirmed that. So I think it was pretty clear that I didn’t know about the Night/Day strategy thing at all. I want to see the context in which that original line you’re quoting was made.

You can click on the little arrow thingy to go directly to the post. Actually, I was about to post a retraction, having decided to go find out when we were told that scum could day-talk and who it was who prompted that discovery, and coming up with you.