how is that? i think alive we have a niller a shopkeeper, moi and you.
since you are convinced i am scum seems like maybe a shopkeeper and our little benadryl victim would be the “plenty”. so two is plenty, macadamia?
oh, that’s right. i forget, you have a magic bag so that makes you town. oh, and you also got something from gryf that is to confirm that you are - oh wait the fuck a minute it confirms not shit. oh and your benadryl got taken.
yep, for fracking sure - you are town undoubtedly.
but because you got something cronos is convinced that you would tell us that it came from town and not a bad sort or if it did you would let us know.
shame on both of you. that’s fucked up.
True. Scum might be stealing the shiney, but if it was that important to them, they might have killed someone else in order to give them more time to steal it from jpei. It’s still quite possible that berynium thieving is a pro-Town activity. I haven’t ruled out that Gryff’s giving me an item and my cash money disappearing are related, either.
I’m guessing there are more than the shopkeeper role, jpei’s very limited governor role, and my role. I could be wrong.
To be clear, I’m still suspicious of Boozahol, and I don’t think that the claimed item-transfer from Gryff offers any evidence at all where Boozahol is concerned-- At most, it says that Gryff thought Boozahol was probably Town, but I don’t give his opinion any more weight than anyone else’s. What it is evidence of, though, I think, is that Gryff is what he says he is. It’s still possible that Gryff and Boozahol are both Scum, of course, and orchestrated a weird pantomime for us to watch, but in that case it’d be very weird for Gryff to put that ugly tiara on himself.
Oh, and this is the first chance I’ve had since Scuba joined, so here’s my notes on significant events thus far, in the hopes that it’ll help him catch up:
Day/Night 1:
Player list filled, start of Night 0, roles sent out
Tom Scud recommends AllWalker as leader, as calm, rational, and not pot-stirrer
Boozahol supports AllWalker for leader
Chronos supports Boozahol or Nanook for leader, for experience; suggests use of verb “elect” instead of “vote”
TexCat suggests an active player for leader
USCDiver suggests that the leader be able to end Day at a convenient time
AllWalker discourages self-electing
CatInASuit suggests setting a time for the Leader-vote, so we know what to expect
amrusell suggests avoiding ties
Alka Seltzer ponders whether Millers should early-claim
Tom Scud agrees Millers should claim early
Tom Scud suggests Day not end on a weekend
Normal Phase ponders risk of Jester role
Freudian ponders power-role breadcrumbing
Oredigger dislikes breadcrumbing
Start of Day 1
peeker elects Boozahol for presence, experience, level-headedness
Freudian elects Tom Scud for not being power-hungry
Tom Scud elects AllWalker, first instinct
Drain Bead elects Tom Scud, not easily led
Boozahol supports Millers early-claiming
Normal Phase worries about possibility of Scum leader
CatInASuit elects AllWalker, level-headed and online a lot
Alka Seltzer elects Tom Scud
Jimmy Chitwood elects AllWalker, doesn’t see it matters much
Normal Phase elects AllWalker, better chance of surviving Day 1
Drain Bead suspects leader will be Scum target
Jimmy doesn’t see Scum advantage in killing leader
Normal Phase suggests leader not be permanent
Tom Scud supports mixing up leadership seat
tiltawhirl elects Tom Scud, being first suggests effectiveness
Boozahol elects AllWalker, knows him better
TexCat elects AllWalker
Chronos elects Boozahol for experience, coolness; not worried about Scum leader until endgame; no opinion on when Days end
pede declares wanderers ineligible for Leader
jpei wildly speculates Leader might be Jim Jones-type
Freudian assumes some kind of blocking role prevented Wanderers
Boozahol suspects wanderers might be ineligible through his own actions or role
DaphneBlack elects Tom Scud, impressed as strong player
Drain Bead believes wanderers’ ineligibility is due to a power
Freudian ponders discouraging Townie role-blockers
Thing Fish elects AllWalker to reduce chance of Scum manipulation; interested in apparent veto-power over leadership and use on a non-candidate; suggests standardizing on 5-day Days
Drain Bead assumes veto was night action
AllWalker elects Tom Scud, so as not to vote for self
USCDiver elects Tom Scud
ColdPhoenix elects AllWalker
Wanderers shows up
Gryff elects AllWalker, knows him best
amrussel elects Tom Scud, likes the way he’s posting
Wanderers says ineligibility is due to his role
Daphne curious about those who concluded inability to be leader was scummy
Daphne clarifies as referring to post 199, concludes she misinterpreted
Wanderers elects AllWalker, backing the guy in front
Tom Scud starts discussion on possibility of weekend Nights
Oredigger elects AllWalker, thinks broad spread is better than tie; supports full claim from Wanderers
Nanook elects Tom Scud for commentary and play in past games
jpei deliberately opted not to vote, for not knowing either
AllWalker elected Day 1 Leader
BillMC (who did not elect) doesn’t think it makes the slightest difference Day 1
Boozahol votes Alka Seltzer for suggesting vig of miller
Normal Phase votes jpei for sitting out of leadership vote
Alka defends against Boozahol’s vote
Wanderers votes jpei for sitting out of election
peeker interprets Tom Scud’s all else not being equal as knowledge of third party
Freudian votes jpei from sitting out of election
peeker votes Tom Scud
Chronos votes Wanderers for soft-claiming; opposes lynching a Miller right away; dislikes jpei’s nonvoting but thinks it’s newbie; suspects peeker for attacks on Tom
Chronos declares Town-aligned, in case of lie detector
AllWalker intends to start countdown at 10 AM EST, Thursday Oct. 1
Thing Fish declares Town-aligned
Tom Scud votes peeker for poor case against Tom
Tom Scud declares Town-aligned
Drain Bead votes Chronos for role-fishing
Jimmy Chitwood votes peeker for his attacks on Tom Scud
TexCat suspects peeker/Tom fight is a Scum show-fight
AllWalker declares self Town-aligned; unofficially votes peeker for attacks on Tom
Gryff votes peeker for attacks on Tom; possibility of show-fight
Wanderers claims Town-aligned
Alka Seltzer claims Town-aligned
Nanook votes peeker for attacks on Tom; thinks case against jpei is dumb
CatInASuit claims Town-aligned
Tom Scud worries that jpei might have a Scum role that prohibits leader-voting; urges him to cast even a meaningless vote toMorrow
Jimmy Chitwood claims Town-aligned
amrussel votes Drain Bead for flip on attitude towards Chronos, not alignment-claiming; claims Town-aligned
Oredigger thinks alignment-claiming futile, but claims Town-aligned
Normal Phase unvotes, votes Drain Bead for reluctance to claim Town
Drain Bead claims Town-aligned
Alka Seltzer votes Drain Bead for contradictory behaviour
Alka Seltzer clarifies claim of Town-aligned
DaphneBlack declares intention to vote Drain Bead for reaction to Chronos; claims Town-aligned
Freudian unvotes jpei, since he’s more active now
Daphne votes Drain Bead, forgot to before
Freudian votes Drain Bead over lie-detector issue; claims Town-aligned
jpei claims Town-aligned
tiltawhirl claims Town-aligned
Thing Fish votes peeker for attacks on Tom, and to break up bandwagons
TexCat votes jpei for not voting; claims Town-aligned
Gryff claims Town-aligned
peeker claims Town-aligned
CatInASuit considers leader role anti-Town, since it masks voting record
Oredigger adds lurking to the case against peeker
Drain Bead posts incomplete list of alignment-claimers, suspects anyone not on list
ColdPhoenix votes Drain Bead for not claiming alignment
Drain Bead unvotes Chronos, votes Normal Phase over dispute over whether Drain supports claim
tiltawhirl votes Drain Bead over alignment-claim issue
Boozahol unvotes Alka, still trying to hash out arguments
Boozahol claims Town-aligned
Drain claims vanilla
USCDiver claims Town-aligned
USCDiver votes Drain Bead for wishy-washy posts; suspects peeker vs. Tom is Scum-on-Scum
(to be continued)
Day/Night 1 continued:
pede calls for sub for Nanook
Jimmy analyzes Drain Bead thread
Oredigger votes peeker, thinks Scum are saving him from scripted fight
Alka Seltzer unvotes to weigh things up
peeker maybe claims doctor?
Jimmy unvotes peeker
Drain Bead suggests lynching her and vigging peeker
Tom Scud unvotes peeker, but thinks claim premature
Tom Scud finds Drain’s vig idea crazy
peeker explains early claim with possibility he might not be on for end of Day, work depending
Tom Scud analyzes Oredigger; votes him for bandwagoning
Boozahol votes Tom Scud, thinks Drain Bead wagon BS, goes with peeker’s argument
Boozahol unvotes Tom Scud, goes with Tom’s argument, votes Oredigger
ColdPhoenix unvotes Drain, hadn’t seen claim in her post
Drain Bead unvotes Normal Phase, votes Oredigger for pushing a bandwagon then getting off it
Thing Fish unvotes peeker but still suspects him
tiltawhirl unvotes Drain Bead to take pressure off her, will evaluate Tom’s case on Oredigger
Daphne unvotes Drain Bead, looks like Oredigger was pushing wagon
Oredigger unvotes peeker
GuriEnEspana replaces Nanook
Drain Bead questions why Chronos is still voting Wanderers
Thing Fish votes Boozahol for rapid change of mind
Boozahol unvotes Oredigger, votes peeker, suspicious of claim
Tom Scud unvotes, votes AllWalker for nitpicky way he phrased his Town claim
Guiri (nee Nanook) confirms vote is staying on peeker
peeker unvotes Tom, votes billmc for playing slow, being like an impacted testicle
Gryff doubts peeker’s claim, keeps vote in place
CatInASuit votes Drain Bead for blanket statement about assumptions re: number of docs
AllWalker clarifies statement that he’s Town
DaphneBlack fingers Gryff for not moving vote off peeker
Guiri unvotes Peeker for lack of information and to not risk lynching a doctor
AllWalker suspects Boozahol for quick-change from voting for Tom to agreeing with him
AllWalker suspects Chronos for fishing Wanderers
Alka Seltzer votes jpei for contrived explanation of nonvote
Tom Scud unvotes AllWalker for unambiguous Town claim; votes Oredigger
Leader AllWalker votes Chronos, locked in stone
Oredigger reiterates unvote of peeker
Tom Scud unvotes Oredigger, votes TexCat for low participation and scumfight speculation
DaphneBlack votes jpei, wondering whether lurking is intentional
BillMC claims Town-aligned, votes Boozahol for comment about other doctors
Jimmy votes BillMC for inadequate vote reason
Drain Bead unvotes Oredigger, votes BillMC for shoddy vote reasoning
Tom Scud posts list of nonvoters
Guiri votes jpei for anti-Town actions, lack of contributions
Oredigger analyzes votes that put Drain Bead ahead of peeker, votes Freudian for bandwagoning
jpei shows up again, runs numbers on false claims
amrussell analyzes CatInASuit, unvotes Drain Bead, votes Cat for his focus on own reputation, vote on Drain Bead
tiltawhirl ponders whether peeker might be VT; whether Scum might claim VT
jpei asks peeker for official title of his role
AllWalker clarifies reasons for voting Chronos as being in post 601
AllWalker agrees with jpei about peeker’s title
Wanderers agrees about title, asks for full role
ColdPhoenix votes peeker pending more information about claim
amrussell points out multiple doctors might have different titles, profiles
peeker unvotes, votes ColdPhoenix for me-tooing a bad idea
jpei claims ability to declare self Leader, does so
Guiri unvotes jpei for claim
Guiri edits
Tom Scud unvotes TexCat, votes jpei for anti-Town play
tiltawhirl votes BillMC for singling out Boozahol in his vote
CatInASuit questions why jpei wouldn’t vote for Leader, given power he has
TexCat keeps vote on jpei pending confirmation of change, in case he’s lying
pede verifies change of end of Day
Wanderers unvotes jpei
pede verifies that jpei is leader
Alka Seltzer unvotes jpei, flavor is convincing
Oredigger unvotes Freudian, votes ColdPhoenix for bandwagon-jumping
Freudian unvote Drain Bead, votes jpei for anti-Town use of power
TexCat unvotes jpei for confirmation of power
AllWalker unvotes Chronos, votes jpei for anti-Town use of power
Tom Scud unvotes jpei
TexCat comments on use of “governor” term by jpei, Wanderers, Boozahol
Boozahol soft-claims a role with two parts, one ambiguous and possibly Masonic
Alka Seltzer considers jpei, Drain Bead, Normal Phase, amrussel, Jimmy likely Town; votes BillMC for low participation and unjustified vote; also suspects Chronos
DaphneBlack unvotes jpei, votes BillMC, resigned to not finding better
peeker starts playing poker with himself
AllWalker unvotes jpei, votes BillMC for inactivity
Chronos unvotes Wanderers, votes Boozahol for soft-claim
peeker unvotes
TexCat votes BillMC for lurking
Tom Scud votes CatInASuit for weak vote on Drain and low participation
Leader jpei mentions that he also has some shiny berynium, concludes he’s a Miller; believes Boozahol has some too; votes BillMC
peeker votes Tom Scud
Normal Phase unvotes Drain Bead, votes Chronos for policy votes on Booozahol and Wanderers, suspicion of third party
Boozahol claims power isn’t too valuable
Tom Scud speculates on significancce of berynium
Guiri votes ColdPhoenix for Oredigger’s argument, proposing that doctors counterclaim peeker
tiltawhirl fingers Chronos for pushing an agenda not supported by town
Guiri adds clarifying unvote, just in case
Normal Phase re-reads peeker’s posts
End of Day 1; BillMC (vanilla) dead
AllWalker reviews preferences for end times
amrussell analyzes vote timing
Jimmy Chitwood focuses on interval that damned a Townie
Chronos suggests peeker declare whom he’s protecting just before Dawn
peeker objects to declaring on grounds that fine timing can go bad
USCDiver points out posts by Drain Bead that raised his eyebrows; suspicious of peeker’s claim
Guiri revisits stated preferences for Day timing, finds that most preferred Wed or Thur end
Boozahol lists postcounts
pede states that Scum can Day-talk
End of Night 1; Jimmy Chitwood (Scum investigator), Texcat (recruiting mason), jpei (governor) dead
Day/Night 2:
Wanderers and Gryff ineligible to be Leader; Gryff has a lynch vote on him
Tom Scud thinks peeker looks more Towny, since Jimmy pushed case against him
Tom Scud elects peeker
Tom Scud counts Boozahol as confirmed
Oredigger elects Drain Bead, since she posts a lot, so as to keep up information
Normal Phase elects Boozahol
Guiri assumes TexCat kill was made by Scum
USCDiver elects Boozahol, feels he’s most confirmed
Tom Scud looks at Jimmy’s derailing of Drain Bead wagon, suggests not electing Drain Bead
Boozahol willing to serve as Leader; claims his berynium was stolen
USCDiver questions Guiri’s assumption that TexCat was killed by scum
Tom Scud speculates about berynium thief
Tom Scud suspects voters after Jimmy on BillMC wagon less likely to be Scum
Chronos questions why Boozahol considered confirmed
Drain Bead elects Boozahol
Guiri elects Boozahol, thinks he’s most likely Town
Wanderers elects Boozahol
Thing Fish remains suspicious of Boozahol; elects Tom Scud
peeker speculates Scum may have used powers Night 0
Daphne elects Boozahol, doesn’t think he’s confirmed but thinks he’s been acting pro-Town
peeker elects Boozahol
Drain Bead thinks there might be a scumfight, given Day-talking; suspects Jimmy-Chronos
Boozahol thinks peeker’s claim was set up for a counter-claim
Chronos questions Tom’s Leader-vote; elects Oredigger
AllWalker elects Boozahol, thinks he’s smart enough to act pro-Town; speculates that TexCat was killed in a failed recruitment
tiltawhirl prefers to elect unconfirmed as a proving ground; elects Tom Scud for proposing set policy on timing
Chronos speculates that whomever TexCat trusted might be Scum; rejects idea in next post
Tom Scud explains election of peeker as spur-of-the-moment
CatInASuit elects Boozahol, seems townier than others
Gryff claims General Store Owner; didn’t know what tiara would do; doesn’t have any berynium; also has a doily of unknown use and assorted other trinkets he can give away; claims to have given something to Boozahol
Alka Seltzer elects USCDiver so as to hear more from him
Gryff elects Boozahol
ColdPhoenix apologizes for low participation, willing to be subbed
ColdPhoenix speculates that Scum might have been able to trade 2-for-1 on kills
ColdPhoenix elects Tom Scud, impressed with his analysis
amrussell elects Boozahol since he can be around at appropriate time
CatInASuit walls Jimmy Chitwood; thinks peeker looks scummy; suspects Alka and Daphne are Town based on bandwagon patterns
Thing Fish notes correlation between Boozahol-trusters and BillMC-bandwagoners
Tom Scud mashes up amrussell’s vote recap with CatInASuit’s WoW on Jimmy
Boozahol officially elected Day 2 Leader
Tom Scud notes that Jimmy poked at Chronos a lot; opposed people voting for Boozahol
Boozahol confirms that he was given an item
Chronos proposes waiting and seeing on peeker’s claim
peeker explains discouraging counter-claim since Scum would want a counter-claim
Chronos questions peeker’s argument that Scum would want a counter-claim
pede confirms that berynium was found on jpei’s body
amrussell analyzes bandwagons
Guiri has bad instinct about Daphne
Normal Phase points out contradiction in amrussell’s statements about Jimmy voting peeker
CatInASuit thinks Jimmy was trying to cover for peeker
Normal Phase doesn’t think Jimmy was bussing peeker; thinks peeker is not Scum
Scuba_Ben replaces ColdPhoenix
Tom Scud summarizes Jimmy’s day
Scuba_Ben shows up; makes no comment on possession of ore or other objects
Tom Scud suspects peeker is 3rd party
Thing Fish thinks ore being found on jpei’s body is evidence of lack of Scum beryllium-stealing, point in favor of Boozahol’s towniness
Scuba_Ben ponders volunteering to test doily
Guiri suspects each gift is intended for a specific recipient
Chronos points out that Boozahol claimed someone stole his ore; thinks discussion of Jimmy is fruitless
Tom Scud wants to know details of Wanderers’ role
Wanderers still reluctant to full-claim
Guiri wonders if Leaders have post-restriction; analyzes possible Day-end days, favors Saturday morning Day-end
Drain Bead thinks Scum cop, hunt for berynium might point towards third party
Guiri notes inactivity by Freudian
AllWalker says he wasn’t under post restriction
Chronos clarifies that he trusts Gryff, not Boozahol
Chronos posts notes to help Scuba catch up
::shocked applause::
Heck, I’m amazed that anyone can actually play this game without keeping notes like that. I’m continually going “Wait, who was that who said that back on page 3?”, and “That sounds different from what I remember… Was that the same person who said that?”, and the like.
hey chronos.
jaw drops.
that’s pretty industrious.
what boozy said.
so berynium is cash money?
where did that come from?
because that makes a whole world of difference regarding some stuff.
back in a sec. gottta re read something.
kind of metagamey. tom’s post to squiddy’s reveal happens three minutes after boozy says something. also, during this time he posted one other time.
ok, maybe now we get somewhere. as far as i can tell at this point boozy is the only person who has suggested a thief in the game. now i don’t know if boozy is town or scum. but why the question about harvesting berynium from a destroyed screamer?
so tom’s first post is kind of odd just because of the timing. seriously it takes me longer than three minutes just to type a response. but to come up with some explanations about why it might have happened seems, kind of like, pre planned.
and then the second one just fucking confuses the shit out of me. he intimates that both town and scum have berynium to steal but we only know of one person that has had some stolen. how in the world could he even have any idea of whether both town and scum have berynium with only one fracking person fessing to having had some stolen even if he knew their alignment. this really really makes me think he is a third party stealer. in addition the bastard posts the question about harvesting berynium from dead screamers. if this is an honest question and he is third party then he would have never posted this in the main thread. this would be a pm to the mod. but then i put the spin that i have never ever never ever been in a game where any type of harvesting (i.e. action) has happened on dead folks. so it could just be in your face blatant misdirection.
and now that boozy has said “cash money” it really really makes tom’s first post about a pfk bomber squinky as all hell.
ok, any help out there folks?
I think this has already been covered, but you have it right there. I gave it to Boozy because I thought he was town, not because I know he is town.
Regarding the shiny stuff conversation, my shopkeeper colour indicates that it is used as currency, in that I was unsuccessful in making my fortune hence having items left.
Did your fortune get any healthier after your interaction with Boozy?
It seemed strange that a shopkeeper would give stuff away with nothing in return - although your store liquidation would explain heavily discounted goods.
If I was going to vacate the planet, had left over stock and thought someone could use some of it, I would give it away. Or trade it for something intangible, like favours. Or sexual favours.
@peeker, I interpreted Tom’s remarks as wild speculation. It occured to me too that if there is a shiny thief, whether 3rd party or not, then both Townies and Scumbos could be holding the berynium. As for the timing, they were both logged on together. Reading a post and replying to it in 2 minutes is possible, if the post is short, which it was. Pushing the speed envelope, but possible. But I agree with one part, the tone is a little odd - whereas I am guessing there might be Scum holders of berynium, his wording suggests he is flat out assuming it.
The cash money thing confused me too, but Gryff seems tot hink it makes sense with his colour.
According to the fluff, it’s the valuable resource that our mining camp has been extracting. My role PM, telling me that I had some, said it was like gold, only different.
And yet JPei’s only said it was “no apparent use, but shiny”?
Chronos, as amazingly wonderful as that list of yours is, it only makes me even more curious why the best votes you could think to make for yourself yesterday were a pair of policy votes – why no analysis of all that data?
peeker, I do find the timing you point out suggestive – that is very fast if you’ve never had such an idea cross your mind previously.
No, all I got was boring successful pm when I gave the item to Boozy, nothing about berylyianthingy. (p.s. I wish the metal was one I could spell without looking it up)
I also speculated about what the shiny berynium might have meant back in post 840 (thanks, Chronos, for the quick-reference links); one of my speculations was a thief of some sort.
Also, some other people had talked about the backstory of the movie; apparently berynium is the hyper-valuable unobtanium that makes space travel work or whatever.