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The person I’m supposed to be meeting with is late. Clarification time:

I can’t choose either to roleblock or investigate. If I roleblock someone I have a chance (% unspecified) to ‘learn something about them’.

I chose Freudian Slit oddly enough because one of the few things she said was a worry about the mechanics of a roleblocker. I thought at the time that what she said about the roleblocker was a bit scummy (can’t find the post now – it was in response to something that DB said, I think).

I’ll go and post in my next post not a quote but a paraphrase from the role pm colour, although it’s not that colourful.

Person has arrived, TBC.

1242

Because I overinterpreted his sorta-confirmation of jpei. My bad. Go ahead and lynch me for it, I don’t care.

1243

A WoW on the seemingly absent Freudian Slip because I’m curious.

From Day 1 start
#66: Confirm
#101: Comment leader should be US based
#133, #135: Comment on miller role + miller must die. Asks if investigative roles should breadcrumb.
#140: Suggest Tom Scud and AllWalker for leader
#154: Elects Tom Scud
#159, #179, #191, #193: fluff
#195: Comment it is safe to assume role blocking preventing player becoming leader.
#201: Thinks a possible scum role prevents someone becoming leader
#209: Asks is we should discourage town roleblockers from using power.
#214: fluff
#221: Repeat of question about discouraging town blocker roles?
#258: comment on roleclaims saying they can wait.
#269: End of Day thurs/fri fine by her.
#291, #293, #295: Questions on voting
#306. Votes jpei for not voting for leader. Also says scum try to discourage us from talking??
This doesn’t really make sense because jpei is not really preventing discussion just not participating in it? Not sure how it adds to her reason for voting?

#307: says jpei is anti-town which is enough for a vote.
#310: says she has to vote, what happens if no-one votes.
#311: Willing to unvote if anyone better appears or if everyone thinks it is a bad idea. Hates inaction or else we would all be silent.
I thought the general idea of Mafia was to vote for the scummiest person, but to change if everyone else thinks it is a bad idea, hmm don’t remember that part without really good reason.

#329: Comment on OAOW claim. Thinks he did right thing, otherwise roleclaim makes him sitting duck for scum.
#360: fluff
#406: unvotes jpei as he has been more active. Says we are likely to select a townie no matter what.
#410: Is town aligned - votes drain bead for …??not following lie detector stuff??
As far as I can tell this is a real bandwagon vote

#439: Thinks it silly to FOS anyone not on the list, we don’t even know if there is a lie detector role.
Kind of contradicts the previous vote though?

#655: comment on doc protection WIFOM
#722: Thinks she has done little scummy other than hitch to a bandwagon
#737: unvotes drain bead, votes jpei for not feeling pro-town. Thinks he should have discussed power before springing it on town.
#730: Reason for vote is jpei’s action is anti-town. Either scum or anti-town but doesn’t like it
#734: Says PM could go either way. Thinks we will lynch someone town on first day, so let’s lynch someone suspect and anti-town?
#737: Could see jpei pushing back Day end until we don’t vote for him. Suppose since he is a newbie it could be one thing or a wierd play b/c he hasn’t done it before, but says it looks scummy. May give someone a pass for first Day though.

Umm, newbie implies no previous experience so he hasn’t done this before? Change of tone from anti-town to scummy as well. Willing to give pass for First Day, but takes no action. Also, back to saying we will lynch a townie on Day 1. It doesn’t always happen but it is a nice excuse for when it does occur.

#882: Comment on Night play.

No posts in Day 2?

And that’s it.

Really not a lot. Oscillates between votes on jpei and Drain Bead for anti-town play. I thought the point of mafia was to find scum not to lynch Town players who don’t necessarily act in a townie manner. The first vote goes with a proviso of if noone else likes it she will unvote. The second has little to no reasoning on it and appears contradicted by following statements and the third is for anti-town play.

The extra pieces of comment about dropping breadcrumbs, asking town blockers not to act are also unusual. TBH, I can see why Daphne Black would block her.

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Here’s my paraphrased PM. I’ve altered it so as to avoid being mod-slapped for quoting, hopefully altered it enough.

You are the local, weary bartender and sympathetic ear for the town. These townies drink alot – and get drunk fast enough that it’s easy to get them to stay with you for the night. And when they get drunk, they get talking, so you might be able to figure out who your guests are on your own. Maybe.

Summary:

  1. Each Night, you can get someone to drink with you in the bar, roleblocking them.
  2. There’s a chance that they’ll start tell you something related to who they really are.

Thank you, Cat for the WoW on FS. Post number 209 was indeed the post that pinged me and led me to block her.

I know the claim was premature, by the way, Alka. But since I had run out of ways to ‘defend’ myself from the attacks against me which were based on my bad play, and since I didn’t know whether I’d be around later today (and I know I won’t be around at all tomorrow) I figured I’d get it out of the way.

I will not be revealing at this time whether or not I got Freudian to spill me any details about her role.

1245

Given the large volume of posts Day 1, the time for substitutions has passed. Anyone who does not care anymore will simply be left alone.

1246

As is standard for me, I don’t have anything to go on. I am slightly tempted to vote to lynch peekercpa for Best Impersonation of a Drunk Zuma. But that’s an out-of-game reason.

At present, my least-weak choice is on Freudian Slit. It seems to me that Daphne’s block of Slit is on a good reason, questioning Slit’s statements about town power roles.

Vote Freudian Slit

Added on preview: GM pedescribe has just ruled out further subs. So lynching a mildly susicious lurker is a better play for me than some other stuff I’ve attempted. And I realize that’s not saying much.

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Re: Freudian Slit, Jpei also singled her out as the “scummiest” of all in his vote post.

It would seem very uncharacteristic of someone who wants to mod their own mini-mafia game to be such a lurker in this game. 43 posts on Night0/Day 1. O on Day 2 is not very useful for the rest of us townies. Maybe she’s been muffled by her scum buddies?

Daphne’s non reveal of her findings on FS also seems anti-town, right? Or is it just a way to move suspicion away from her towards FS?

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Quickly: Damn, Daphne, that claim seems really early, but I can see how if you’re not going to be around much, and we don’t know when the Day will end, you might have felt that necessary.

I don’t recall offhand your saying that you believed **peeker’s **roleclaim, and I’m pretty sure that wanting to save peeker was never a reason you gave for any of your actual votes. If you can show me where you said that, I would agree that it makes you look slightly less sneaky.

Hopefully will be able to review and contribute more later…

1249

And I guess for now

unvote Daphne

and vote Boozahol. Given that we seem to have a lot of weird power roles in this game, the fact that he is softclaiming isn’t actually as suspicious to me as it might otherwise be…but based on Yesterday’s events, I still think he is suspicious, and I’m not going to let him off the hook with a softclaim.

1250

Thanks for clearing that up Daphne.

On the whole, I’m inclined to believe Daphne’s claim, the role mechanics make sense. Assuming FS confirms he/she was blocked, they would be a decent target for a townie, but a bit of a shot in the dark for scum, unless I’m missing a breadcrumb. FS is another player I found slightly scummy on day 1, which is a point in Daphne’s favour as far as I’m concerned.

It’s possible that Daphne is a plain scum role-blocker and the investigative aspect is fiction, but this would be a difficult deception to maintain until endgame. I can’t make a judgement on whether 1.25 scum investigators is likely at this stage, we don’t know enough about the game setup. If town have a lot of power roles it’s possible. However, if Daphne is scum the smart play would probably have been to omit that part from her claim.

Some other points to consider:
• If Daphne is scum, she might be claiming a power held by another scum member. This would be risky, if that scum dies she would be in a bad situation. She’d only be able to fake a block by claiming to block a fellow scum, who would fake confirmation.
• If Peeker is town, it’s unlikely that Daphne is scum. The logical move for a scum role-blocker would have been to block him.

Mods: Did we notice anything about FS this morning?

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I’m wavering on whether or not I will unvote Daphne (and BTW, to answer your question, I don’t remember a thing about the Blade Runner game–I know I played it but I think I got bounced early) for a few reasons. First off, a Town roleblocker is one of those semi-negative roles–it has as much of a chance to block someone useful early off than it does to block someone scummy. Second, the “investigative” portion of your role is something that it seems easy for a Scum to make up just to avoid a lynch. I think in a game with plenty of town power roles (which this one seems more and more likely to be), the idea of Scum having both a Cop and a Roleblocker is not too far out of the ordinary. Finally, and this is just me being vindictive, every time I was a Scum Roleblocker (I love how I can say that) and claimed Town Roleblocker, y’all killed me anyway. :wink: The 2nd time was actually my favorite…I was all like “How can you guys kill me? What are the odds I’d be a Scum Roleblocker twice in a row?” But I digress.

Here’s something interesting. If DaphneBlack is a Scum Roleblocker instead of Town, and we find that out, do we then lynch peeker?

1252

And on refresh, it seems like Alka and I simul-posted a lot of the same stuff.

1253

A few comments, avoiding the role claim for now:

I can confirm there was a discussion of Miller claims early on Day One, but I don’t remember who brought it up. It was prompted, as I think I also mentioned somewhere (maybe even in response to you?) by a discussion on the Giraffe Boards just prior to beginning this game. OAOW would certainly have seen the discussion, for whatever that’s worth.

For myself, as regards the claims thing, I make a distinction between “soft claims” and “partial claims” in my mind. Soft claims – “I have a power role, should I share?” – irritate me no end; there’s no question in my mind that they’re anti-town. As for partial claims, as we now have from Boozy, OAOW and to a lesser extent gryff, I’m undecided. It had not occurred to me before (I snipped too much – whichever of you it was) someone mentioned it just now that Scum might be able to string us along indefinitely with one, under the right circumstances. I was thinking more of a situation like maybe that of a Paranoid Gun Owner: there are potential roles that would do absolutely no good to Town to reveal fully outside of dire circumstances, because the very act of revealing the role would neutralize it.

(Probably unnecessary disclaimer: I’m not saying I think either of the barely-claimed have that role; it’s just by way of example.)

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Wall of words on Boozy:

(skipping initial fluff)
103 - advocates electing experienced governor, and one in a US time zone
150 - re: breadcrumbing, says cop should be careful about FOSing people lest that be read as breadcrumbs later
158 - thinks miller should claim and volunteer to be lynched ASAP (but not until mid-Day so that some voting can be done previously)
180 - elects AllWalker
184, 190, 196 - fluff
199 - asks OaOW to address why he can’t be Governor
217, 220 - fluff
222 - discussion of OaOW’s ineligibility - if result of an action, actor should come forward. Asks mods if any powers were used on Night Zero.
278 - points out townies can act horrendously anti-Town.
284 - fluff
287 - votes Alka for saying that Miller should be vig’d rather than lynched
292 - clarifies that others can vote before Leader does
305 - clarifies vote for Alka as early-first-day. Says he’s considering case vs. me, and doesn’t think much of jpei case.
444 - unvotes Alka, says he’s evaluating cases, likes case vs. peeker better than cases vs. jpei or drain
445 - “I am town aligned.”
506 - WTF to peeker for claiming doc
507 - calls Drain Bead wagon bullshit, votes Tom Scud
508 - unvotes Tom Scud, votes Digger (2 minutes elapsed since previous post)
544 - defends quick switch
545 - says Peeker meant that there was more than one doctor
553 - votes Peeker for doc claim, and specifically for implying more than one doc in his claim
573 - says Tom Scud’s vote on AllWalker is the worst justification he’s ever seen.
574, 576 - fluff
582 - presses Peeker on “A” claim
629 - semi-fluff, insults BillMC over his vote on Boozy
656 - fluff
673 - peeker’s argument about playing head games with scum is bs.
742 - people are overeager in jumping down jpei’s throat
745 - takes jpei’s claim at face value; thinks flavor is more towny than scummy
757 - “i can almost guarantee jpei has something shiny up his sleeve”
763 - softclaim. "My role does have two parts: one functional, and one currently ambiguous, although flavorful. I would have left it out in a roleclaim, just as jpei did, although it seems to me to be a weak sort of masonry at this point. "
764 - fluff
770 - says needed to make his claim to save jpei
775 - fluff
812 - "I am town. I’ll offer some evidence of my powers tomorrow, but I don’t feel the need to do so right now. I don’t feel any particular reason to unvote peeker, claimed Doctor or not, and I’ll just go ahead right now and announce I’ll be pushing for his lynch toMorrow, as well. "
821 - says he’s trying to avoid getting lynched.
839 - advocates that peeker be subject to trial-by-vig.
848,891 - fluff
902 - defends peeker trial-by-vig idea
904 - dismisses peeker’s “what if scum has blocker” objection
947 - says we shouldn’t treat the lower-frequency posters as lurkers
975 - happy to be leader. says someone stole his berynium
978 - more sense (for scum) to kill confirmed townies than lurkers
1004 - reiterates case vs. peeker (claim that implies expected counterclaim)
1019 - fluff
1079 - “That you claimed doc with an expectation of being counterclaimed.”
1080 - “I’m not going to get into exactly what was given to me [by Gryff], although it really wasn’t that useful of an item. As far as the Day end, how about a Tuesday vote, for a Wednesday end?”
1084 - “Don’t be silly. You made the claim not only with “A” doc, but then specifically exaggerated that claim.”
1158 - scum cop doesn’t nec. imply third party - plenty of town power roles to sort through.
1166 - thoughts on who could be stealing the shiny
1171 - fluff
1179 - "My role PM, telling me that I had some [berynium], said it was like gold, only different. "
1220 - “I’d rather not vote while there’s only about a third of people’s votes down, but I will if need be, or there are more votes in tomorrow [Monday] near midnight. "
1222 - on roleblock message: " I did not. I received a message that my berynium had been stolen, I had received an item, and nothing more. On this matter,however,I attempted an action which doesn’t seem to have functioned.”

I’m not seeing the case. I’ll admit that his defense/confirmation of jpei could have been the action of any role, Town, Scum, or third-party, who had berynium.

And the other suspicion seems to be on his two-minute switch from me to Digger, and I’m sure not going to go after someone else for being quick on the post button.

1255

There may be some confusion here. I brought up the subject of Miller claims early on. At the time I hadn’t made the possible connection with OaOW’s inability to vote. I was Miller in the last game, but didn’t realise it (ambiguous role PM). I don’t know nothing about Giraffes, except that they have long neck and are ‘insincere’, according to those great and knowledgeable naturalists Simon & Garfunkel.

@Normal - did you link the role of Miller with OaOW on day 1? Otherwise, Tom was the first to bring that up.

1256

Daphne, what sort of information do you get, if you get any?

1257

Ha!

I wondered if I was missing something. No, I didn’t.

1258

From post #256:

So it was Drain Bead, not Normal; sorry NP. I knew it was one of the chyx with the gender-neutral names.

1259

Thanks for clearing that up.

1260

Hey Boozy, as I understood it you were planning on voting Tuesday (for a Wednesday finish). Is that still your plan?