I have already said that as of now I am not going to talk about the investigation results right now. There is no pro-town reason to reveal what, if anything, I’ve found out, at this time. I know I’ve played badly so far, but on this I am confident I am making the pro-town choice for now. However, I don’t see what pro-town motivation you could have for asking this question in this way.
FOS Normal Phase
Thing Fish, what I meant is that I have repeatedly said that I wasn’t going to vote for peeker and that to lynch him now would be a mistake. I don’t think I ever came out and said ‘I believe his claim’ but I have always stated that I’m against his being lynched at that I found the case against him weak. I don’t see how that goes along with ‘sneakily’ trying to prevent his lynching – I’ve been against lynching him all along.
completed 2 prior mafia games, 1 town, 1 scum and subbed out of another game.
Makes your actions when played as scum pretty meaningless. I would expect your play style to be changing all the time as you pick up the game strategies/subtleties.
No problem with the vote for Tom as leader, gave reasoning.
States she is happy with me not claiming, and doesn’t get why my restriction would make me scum
Post where she says if the leader does something scummy Great, followed by the clarification
I see nothing scummy here, I understood what was meant without the clarification, didn’t see this as a slip, and as anyone who has played with me before knows, if i catch what I think is a slip. I am on it like glue.
Makes the post about voting suspicious people in as leader in later portion of game, so that they get more scrutiny.
Couldn’t disagree with this more. If you want to highlight someone as scummy and get the town to scrutinise them, then make a case on them. Leader votes, imo, should be for people we trust.
Defends my lack of a claim again, but goes on to be anti-speculation. Now too much WIFOMy speculation is a PITA, but I like to see some, cos it lets you know what people are thinking, and any insight you can get can help you find scum.
Found this interesting, defends Chronos, but also highlights that she is watching him. trying to go both ways, so that you can make this post look good however Chronos turns out?
Then votes Drain bead, gicing reasons, extending a wagon. This one is a town tell to me…
confirms vote on Drain Bead
comments on peeker’s role claim and again is anti Drain Bead
Still happy with vote on DB, but also interested in Tom’s case against Oredigger
unvotes DB for no strong reason that I can discern. If you’re still suspicious, why unvote?
backs pff DB even more, now FOS on Gryff
Gryff case is based on his posts saying we shouldn’t move votes after a claim
jpei vote for “lurking intentionally”. No mention at all about jpei before this, suddenly a vote, with not much to explain it
still voting jpei, now for anti-town use of power.
recants the jpei vote and goes after Bill admitting to thinking the case against him is basically lynch the lurker.
Todays votes are basically Daphne explaining her day one actions.
I’m going to throw out a
vote Daphne
You were making a good case against Drain Bead, but then abandoned it for little reason, and help lynched Bill, whilst pointing out there was little case against him.
The thing that caught my eye is that your voting pattern is very consistent with the hypothesis that saving **peeker **was actually your first priority, and that you weren’t too concerned with exactly who did get lynched. Obviously, this suggests the possibility that both you and peeker are scum. A cursory review of your posts indicates that my memory was correct; you did say you didn’t buy the peeker case, but didn’t make that big a deal out of it and didn’t cite it as a primary reason for any of your votes. So, as I said, this makes me slightly less suspicious of you, since scum would be more likely to try to avoid commenting on peeker at all while voting to protect him. However, my unvote was based not on this slight reduction of suspicion, but on my preference not to lynch claimed power roles early in the game.
And to further clarify, my vote on Boozahol is based on
weird quickie vote switch between 507 and 508.
eagerness to lynch a claimed Doc
the fact that Jimmy came to his defense
As for his whole soft claim, alleged possession and subsequent loss of berynium, etc… I am withholding judgment for now, neither calling it suspicious nor finding it enough to hold off on voting for him given that I am suspicious for other reasons.
I’ve been trying to think about what you’d be likely to say about FS, depending on your alignment and ability (and whether it worked). I think if you are Town and did get something on FS, you’d be understandably reluctant to share what that was, even if it was just “town”, “vanilla town”, or some detail from the flavor text. As long as FS didn’t turn up obviously Scum or third party, there’s no reason the rest of us need to know it at this point. Similarly if you got nothing, you might not flat-out say you got nothing, both because it doesn’t aid your claim, and because you don’t want to set a precedent for future reveals but rather reveal on your own terms based on your own assessments. Fair enough.
The question is what you’d say about FS if you are Scum and most likely not an investigator of any sort. (I do give credence to the theory that Scum are unlikely to have 1.25 investigators.) In that case you can’t give us anything, because you can’t be sure you’ll be right. FS has come under some slight suspicion; we can’t be sure we have no third parties; you can’t be sure if she turns up dead that she won’t be one of them. So you can’t even feel safe revealing alignment. And of course you’d have no idea of her role or flavor text. Best to keep it maximally ambiguous for as long as possible.
So unfortunately, the question of what you do as Scum versus what you would do as Town seems to come up pretty much a wash. I had hoped you would say clearly what information you get, without me saying why I was asking. Compared to what you’ve already revealed, it’s small potatoes, and I don’t see how revealing it would help Scum any more than they’ve already been helped. If you’re Town, you’re dangerous to them even with everything left ambiguous; a full reveal could hardly make you more so. Nor, so long as you stick to your guns regarding whether you got anything from FS does it imply anything as regards her.
I think it makes (or made; it’s a moot point now I’ve had to explain) a difference to us as Town to know exactly what you’re claiming, though. Because making up alignments on roughly a one-in-four basis is pretty easy. Making up roles would be pretty dang hard (or at least risky). Making up flavor text – well, unless you planned to “hit” only vanilla vanilla vanilla, it would be even harder. So I think it would have had considerable impact on your believability if you had come right out and said “I get roles, when I get anything at all”.
Since Guiri mangled the question (he means night 1)…
Mods: Is FS operating under a post restriction due to being blocked?
@OneandOnly - You ignored my question again, despite asking for other opinions on whether you should claim now. Also, why do you think lynching a claimed investigator on day 2 is a good idea? If Daphne is town, she is now a prime target for the scum to deal with by kill or block. If she is scum, she’s going to have a hard time justifying blocking the optimal scum target (I’m assuming the blocked player gets told about the block).
I will claim, either when I think it is the most pro-town thing to do at the time, under pressure of lynch, or if a large number of the town wish it.
As to my vote, I was running out of time after reading through Day one, and placed it based on the read I had gotten thus far. I may move my vote after including day 2’s posts. The vote is an indication of what I am thinking right now, we haven’t started the countdown yet, there is still plenty of time to move it if I deem it wise to.
Warning: My participation for the next two RL days may be limited. I will try to ensure that I keep up with the thread, but I can’t promise that I can–my work schedule is a bit crazy with lots of contested hearings. I will keep an eye on things and try my best to finish the analysis I wanted to do, which includes a closer examination of others who were pinging my scumdar, in an attempt to give me a good reason to decide to move my vote.
Normal Phase, please try to look at this from my perspective as Town here, as an exercise. Why should I tell the scum
a) what kind of information I get
b) in what form it comes
when there is no reason town needs to know these things at this time?
Did you read my paraphrased role PM? Because that does a very good job of explaining the parameters of my role. I’m primarily a roleblocker; I have a chance of acquiring some relevant information (of unspecified nature).
It seems to me like you are fishing to find out how dangerous I am to the scum.
vote Normal Phase
One and Only Wanderers: As I have now said at least once and possibly more than once, I backed off of Drain Bead when she more or less begged to be lynched and did not receive a bunch of votes. She initially seemed very scummy but as the day wore on, she seemed less so.
Honestly, she was my only strong read on Day One. I lost my conviction due to the way it played out, and (like lots of other people) went along with the crowd.
I promise this is the last I’m going to say about my day One votes, because clearly some people won’t believe me no matter what I say. I suspect I’m going to wind up lynched despite my claim, due to lazy voting. I’m disappointed in myself. But at this point I’m sick of trying to reason people out of positions I don’t think they’ve really reasoned themselves into.
Hopefully my likely lynch will provide some good information for town to work with.
Oops! As the Mods have not yet responded in thread, I hope it’s OK to paraphase a PM from them.
I had a couple of doubts regarding game mechanics earlier this morning before Daphne’s claim) and PM’d the Mods. One question concerned a possible post restriction on FS as I was still curious why she’d stopped posting.
At the time it was a private query but once Daphne claimed, and I had not yet received a reply, it became pertinent to the game and so I made a public post - which I mangled.
In the reply to my PM I was told that we would have been informed if FS had been silenced through game mechanics so the answer is “no”. I was also told that she had not requested a sub and that subs would no longer be allowed…
As the Irishman in me would never lynch a barman, I’m going to:
Vote Freudian Slit
Today I’d rather lynch someone who appeared scummy on day 1, is now showing no interest in the game and is certainly not helping Town (although she may be very active in the scum thread…) than mislynch a claimed barman/roleblocker/investigator or mislynch another town-friendly player.
I’m not role-fishing; I don’t know why you’d think I would when I haven’t done so with any of the partial claims we’ve had so far, or in any other fashion. I asked for the reason I said I asked.
Man, it feels like I’ve been reading on a treadmill, trying to catch up here. First off, quoth Tom:
Yes, in fact, I had overlooked that, but that’s still quite consistent with you being the thief. And there’s also your peculiar leader-vote that (to my mind, at least) you still haven’t really adequately explained, and (specifics later when I have more time), your play in the past couple of pages doesn’t look great, either.
Now, then, it looks like the current hot topic is yet another claim, from DaphneBlack. Quoth she:
Because information is valuable to Town. If, for instance, you had learned that Freudian Slit is Town, that’d be valuable information for us to know, especially since she’s now starting to attract votes.
And a thought just occurred to me: A Town roleblocker, to be useful, would have to be able to affect the Scum, right? But we’re fighting killer robots here. How do you get a robot drunk? It just doesn’t add up. It looks to me like that claim is either completely made up, or it’s adapted from a Scum or Third-Party roleblocker power that’s intended to be used on Townies.
Furthermore, for a genuine Town roleblocker/partial investigator, the logical Night 1 target would be someone who’s claimed vanilla, like Drain Bead. That way, if she’s telling the truth, there’s no harm done, and you might be able to confirm her, while if she’s lying, the result is you’ve blocked someone who needed blocking, a win-win. I find it suspicious that you didn’t do so.
Right now I don’t know. If your claim is genuine, you’d be a good block target for a scum-Daphne roleblocker, but a very difficult one for her to justify. If we get any confirmed town power roles later, scum-Daphne won’t be able to block them without outing herself. Finally, scum-Daphne needs to justify any block. This limits her options, finding a decent case on some targets may be difficult.
If we can confirm a townie, we also have the option of letting that player direct Daphne’s drinking spree. All in all, an outed scum blocker is severly compromised.
We really need FS to check in and confirm they were blocked. From Guiri’s post, it appears they are not under a post restriction due to a drunken stupor.
@Boozahol - I think you should hold off voting for the moment, not enough votes on the table.
There’s still a pretty good chance you’ll end up lynched. And it means on the off chance you’re protecting someone else, that won’t be a problem either.
and what chronos said. town role blockers are very bad, especially early. to dip into the unknow pile is very rash. please paraphrase your pm that indicates your block of fs was successful.