I need a peeker to English translator on a few of those posts. I think I get your main claims and speculations, but he peripheral issues are a little shaky.
That’s what I was saying. A scum roleblocker would have blocked you (and then killed you, which I left unspoken) unless they had sufficient reason to not believe your claim, and the only way they would not believe your claim was if you were Scum. I guess a brave Scum team might have decided to keep you alive to see if we’d do the killing for you, especially knowing they could take you out the next Night if their Roleblocker lived through the following Day, but I’m not sure if that’s a risk worth taking as scum–the safe play would be to take you out.
But now as I’m reading the rest of the thread before posting, I see that you said you were blocked. This means that either Daphne is telling the truth and we have a Town and Scum blocker, and the Scum blocked you but didn’t kill you (hoping that if you were blocking jpei their kill could get through, and if you were self-blocking that the Vig may take you out anyway), and she blocked Freudian. Or Daphne is lying, she is Scum and may have blocked a Townie you and said she was blocking the person who hasn’t posted in the thread all day and will probably be unable to confirm whether or not she was blocked. Or a Scum Daphne really did block Freudian because she knows you’re Scum and you are now saying you were blocked in order to try to save your Scummy ass once Daphne bites it and is revealed.
The explanation of what happened if Daphne is Town is starting to be much more complicated than the alternatives.
This, I think, deserves its own point. You are the first to suggest that the Scum are responsible for Texcat’s death. It seems up until this point to have been the unanimous opinion that the Scum killed jpei, leaving Jimmy and texcat up to a potential Vig and SK, or perhaps a texcat attempted recruit of a robot that ended up in his death. But the one consistent concept from the Night actions is that Scum took out the one confirmed Town.
What makes you think that the Scum killed texcat, of all people?
Well, peeker’s remark complicates things.
So we either have:
a) Town and Scum roleblockers
b) Daphne is lying
c) peeker is lying
(a) is pretty intense. We would need a lot of power roles on both sides of the Town/Scum fence for this to happen. In fact, I would hazard a guess and say that VTs would be rare under such a setup and that anyone claiming VT should be placed under extra scruitiny.
Supposing Daphne is really a Scum roleblocker and targeted peeker, then lying and saying she targeted FS would be foolish, in case she could counter that… unless she somehow knew FS wouldn’t be able to, but it’s hard to say whether she is under a post restriction. The mods seem to be saying no on the post restriction…
A related possibility is that FS and Daphne are both Scum, Daphne blocked peeker but pretended to block FS, and FS would play along. Were she here. This, IMO, seems the most likely.
Scum blocking peeker makes sense if they thought they could score a free Doc kill if a Vig should test him. A Town Roleblocker may consider blocking peeks if they thought he was lying, but that would be a stupid play - risking a Doc-block, esp one who might have been Vig targeted, is the height of stupidity.
In other news, In CiaS’s wow on FS he makes the point that he thinks it’s weird that FS says the Town roleblocker should not act. I disagree, for the same reason that people prefer the voluntary Vig not to act - at the start, you are more likely to hit Town than Scum.
Having said that, the frequency of fishing and discussing about roleblockers is kind of… odd. Suspiciously so. And now that lurker status has reached epic levels,
Vote FS
In the meantime, some questions for myself and others to consider:
*how does the roleblock thing make sense following peeker’s comment?
*even if Daphne is telling the truth, shall we suffer a Town roleblocker to live? A straight, compulsory roleblocker I would gladly lynch, but does this mysterious investigative ability offset that damage?
*Where did I leave my keys? Oh wait, here they are.
I will think about the Daphne issue some more, see if I change my mind about who to vote for.
actually, i think they blocked me so that the could kill texcat. and i think jimmy got lucky as all hell on a Night 0 scum invest and identified him as the most pro town power available. but i agree they probably thought that they could get town to do their dirty work for them with a lynch. now having said that i also believe that town has a cop. i also believe that he’s or she’s got two in the bag. and now they are fucked. they can take me out or leave a cop rolling around accumulating more data. or shoot in the dark and hope. and hope that they get it right and hope that my read is wrong if they decide that i don’t self protect. whoops, bad bongos for the bad guys.
why the fuck would want jpei dead. he’s a governor that spent his wad. he’s got a soft mason claim going on with booz that booz is encouraging. no way in hell do scum want his ass dead. i am going out on a limb again - SCUM DID NOT KILL JIMMY. and because jpei is know town to them and because of the ridiculous notion that he and booz have some sort of mini mason going on they killed the person that their investigator found to be the most threat to them - texcat a fracking recruiting mason of all things.
So if Scum killed TexCat, who killed the confirmed Town? A Vig? Not likely. That leaves a possible 3rd party SK - why would they kill a confirmed Town? On Night 1? Someone who is more likely than the average player to be either protected by Doc or targeted by Scum - either way, throwing a kill away.
Also, you’re assuming Scum could investigate during Night 0.
Makes more sense what everyone else is thinking - Scum killed a confirmed Town, JC was Vigged or SKed, and TexCat was either Vigged, SKed or some complication resulting from failed recruitment.
oh jesu christo. an sk (i assume we have one because of three deaths) wants to eliminate any type of confirmation. sheeps, an sk has to get rid of them otherwise at end game they end up in a small pool of unconfimreds and have to die with the rest of the good townies and bad boys. sheesh, its pretty durn simple. so yep, jpei would be 3rd party toast. c’mon think about it - that’s the safest kill out there.
peanut butter on a banana stick.
Vote Count:
Gryff(1):
Boozoahol(2): AlkaSelzter, Thing Fish
Daphne(4): DrainBead, Gryff, Oneandonly, Chronos
Catinasuit(1): Tom Scud
Freudian Slit(3): ScubaBen, Guiri, AllWalker
Normalphase(1): Daphne
Why would they have to block you in order to kill texcat? That makes no sense whatsoever, because there’s no way in hell anyone would have assumed that you were protecting texcat, given all the other targets you could have been protecting.
Of all the things you’ve said in this game, this baffles me the most.
uh, no. see above. i know that when i pm’d pede he was pretty clear that i, me, moi “you” couldn’t do stuff Night 0. well it doesn’t take a brain surgeon or rocket scientist to figure out that some Night actions would occur. just not kills, since what the fuck about being a doc with no chance to play that card. so blocks maybe and invests probably.
because they didn’t want to take any chance.
That’s ridiculous to the point of absurdity. There is no way you as Town doctor would have protected texcat last night.
I am completely comfortable with where my vote is now, because you seem to be grasping at straws to try to keep yourself alive at this point, and once Daphne comes up Scum, you’re next.
Alternately, because they hoped that the vig would decide to “test” him.
NETA: This is seriously not making sense to me. One would think that Day-strategizing Scum would not say something as insane as “Scum blocked me but didn’t kill me because they were hoping to nab texcat, who they thought I was protecting for some insane reason,” especially when at least one other good reason for why Scum would block a Townie Doc peeker but not kill him has been articulated in this thread before peeker started going off the rails with this texcat stuff.
Can anyone else help me get this? Because right now I’m feeling like this is so silly that I have to be missing something crucial.
Or Jimmy investigated the wrong power role and got himself killed that way. Or, well, many things.
I’m also finding his analysis weird as hell. (And I still find his day 1 “A” claim weird as hell.)
But it’s still possible peeker is a Town Doctor who was blocked but not killed. I think the more parsimonious explanation is that scum were hoping for (a) a vig kill or (b) to set peeker up for the lynch (after all, they had Boozy’s promise (assuming Boozy isn’t scum) to go after peeker today, and Jimmy had several of us eating out of the palm of his hand).
See, THAT as reasoning for blocking peeker I can understand, and I think I mentioned as much earlier in the thread. Risky move for Scum, but I can totally get it–peeker had been garnering suspicion, already had one person saying he was going to be gunning for him toDay, and tends to have a playstyle that rubs many the wrong way. Plus, they had no clue they were going to be down a member in the morning. Makes sense that they might try to block peeker but not then try to kill him.
What does not make sense is peeker’s insistence that the reason the Scum blocked him and didn’t kill him was not because of this, or because they wanted to make certain they got jpei, but instead because they wanted to make certain they got texcat. It would have been an unbelievably anti-Town move of peeker to protect texcat last Night, so I sincerely doubt that Scum would have been worried about it enough to block peeker for that reason, and I can’t see any reason right now why peeker is so insistent that this must be the case.
I really hope FS comes back.