Screamers Mafia

I don’t think you’re getting what I’m asking. Great, you think you found something. But your comment wasn’t “OMG everyone wait until you see this!” It was specifically about saving Chronos. If you were just giddy about the fact that you were able to make a case against someone who you thought was scum, that’s one thing, but your post wasn’t just an expression of happiness. It was an expression of happiness about saving someone else’s ass. Someone whose ass you had up to that point been trying to hang, not save.

So I’ll ask in a different way. Why, given all the different possible ways you could have chosen to express your glee, did you choose to be particularly happy that you were saving Chronos, who based on your previous actions you do not believe deserves to be “saved” in the first place?

God, I hope you’re Scum, because if you’re Town and I die first, you will most certainly die next for this. And that’s a real waste of someone who is otherwise quite a good player.

I feel like a huge distraction in this game. So here’s a suggestion.

I want all those who people generally think are mostly confirmed Townies to vote for me. Basically, that includes Gryff, Boozy, and although not everyone believes it yet, Daphne. At that point I will have five votes, and Alka can vote for me as leader and start the countdown. Everyone else keep your votes where they are or vote for someone else who you believe to be Scum–I only want the two votes that I have plus votes from those who are likely to be Town. That will be enough to take me out. If you are someone who hasn’t voted and would prefer to vote for Chronos, feel free to make your preference known, but refrain from actually voting toDay.

Once I’m dead, you’ll see I’m Town, and you (especially you, Normal Phase) can move on to actually finding Scum.

In fact, to make this more likely to happen…

unvote Chronos
vote Tom Scud

There. I’ve just moved myself closer to a tie with Chronos. I humbly ask to rest of you to go along with my plan.

Vote Count:

Gryff (1)
Chronos(3): Oredigger, USCDiver, Tiltawhirl
Tom Scud (2) : Chronos, DrainBead
Drain Bead(2) : Tom Scud, Normalphase
NormalPhase(1): Daphne

I really think you are reading too much into this. The only way I can see Tom’s original comment as Scummy is if he meant to post it to the Scum boards, which would make sense if they were both Scum. But it isn’t all that odd in the context of a player finding a good case.

Analysing the wording a player uses sometimes yields results but this example is ambiguous, and ambiguous wording means we waste time debating back and forth over what the third “it” referred to or whatever.

What would following this plan achieve?

Drain Bead, why are you asking to be lynched again? I don’t understand what your ostensible mislynch would do to help the town.

It’s just not a good idea to lynch someone who wants to be lynched this bad, in my experience.

If you think this is Tom trying to save fellow team mate Chronos from the hangman, why would you do this? If you are town (and my instincts have been saying you are) then what benefit do we get from wasting another day lynching non-scum?

I was trying to reconcile my above mentioned instincts with Tom Scud’s find and this statement actually moved you away from town in my mind. However I am still not willing to actually vote for you yet. Nor am I happy to Vote for Tom

It seems to be that lynching Chronos would shine some light on the dilemma, as if Tom is trying to save him then he will show as scum, and Chronos has been pinging mild scumliness to me for the last two Days.
If he comes up town then I would have to go along with Tom Scud’s find (while kicking myself for getting another one wrong).

Vote: Chronos

I am starting to suspect that this is Drain Bead’s self defence action. i.e. hoping people would think “Why would Scum ask to be mislynched, we must have the wrong person!”

This is not to say I think Drain Bead is scum, but my previous belief in her towniness is being eroded by the hour.

To Tom Scud and GuriEnEspana: thanks for doing the WoWs they have given something interesting to think over.

Drain Bead: I don’t understand your plan to lynch yourself. What are you trying to prove by doing so?

My guess is she’s trying to remove herself as a distraction from the Town which DOES have a pro-town motivation in a perverse sort of way.

I’m leaving town this morning for a couple of days. I’ll try to keep up by phone, but not sure if I’ll be around to change a vote or make any more substantive posts before Saturday. Not knowing when the Day ends makes travel and scheduling tough.

Alka wants all townies to get their votes down before he places his vote so let me try.

Looking at the Chronos and Drain Bead cases, we have Tom’s first vote for refusing to vote strategically and saving Thing Fish.

Then we have Drain Bead’s vote for the same reason plus not believing the Daphne confirmation:

Then **Chronos **explains that his post wasn’t anti-Daphne and that his vote was strategic but that he didn’t want to vote for someone he considered VT:

Then Normal votes Chronos because he could be a SK as well as not saving Thing Fish.

Then Oredigger votes Chronos for not playing as he usually does:

Then USC votes him for the previous reasons and for posting his program after being asked to:

Next Tilta votes Chronos for not theorizing more:

Then Tom has his giddy feeling and revelation about Drain, and moves his vote to her for not saving Thing and accusing Chronos of the same crime as she had committed (among other reasons):

/snipped

Finally Gryff votes Chronos as his lynch would shine light on the dilemma.

Chronos and Drain both gave the same motivation for not saving Thing Fish, they moved their vote to Daphne, someone they both considered scummier than FS and hoped others would follow. (Others being basically Tom, Allwalker and Peeker). Even if these three moved their vote, Thing would still be the vote leader and would have been lynched. Even if Chronos and Daphne had voted for FS, Thing would still been lynched due to the leader’s vote counting double in a tie-break. A pointless discussion and incomplete reasoning for a vote - well, for me at least as I’m equally or more guilty of Thing’s demise. I need time to digest the other accusations that are out there, and maybe finish my WoW.

@ Alka, sorry, I am a Townie but I’m not ready to vote yet. I will keep following events toDay and hope to make an informed decision before dusk.

I don’t want Town wasting everyone’s time discussing lynching me every Day. I certainly don’t want to make it to endgame with this level of suspicion on me. And I do not want any unconfirmed Town on my wagon, other than what may potentially already be there. I don’t want to give Scum any tools to use against the Town in my mislynch.

I do think that Tom made a mispost, and thought that even before I found out I was involved with it. And this is not a defense. I really would like to die in the manner I suggested, toDay. I think overall it would be better for Town.

unvote
vote Drain Bead

Also, because I’m sure some of you will say that I’m some sort of Bomb role and am trying to take out a Townie, I’ll just edit a post if my plan doesn’t work.

A list of all the votes taking place on Day 2.

Day 2 voting:

#1187: Drain Bead - vote DaphneBlack
#1188: peekercpa - vote Tom Scud
#1190: Gryff - vote DaphneBlack
#1196: Chronos - vote Tom Scud
#1205: Tom Scud - vote CatInASuit
#1217: Thing Fish - vote DaphneBlack

Vote Count:
Gryff(1):
Daphne(3): DrainBead, Gryff, TF
Tom Scud(2): peeker, Chronos
Catinasuit(1): Tom Scud

#1231: Alka Seltzer - vote Boozahol Squid, P.I.
#1246: DaphneBlack roleclaims
#1248: Scuba_ben - votes Freudian Slit
#1251: Thing Fish unvote DaphneBlack, votes Boozahol Squid, P.I.
#1264: OAOW - votes DaphneBlack
#1272: DaphneBlack - votes Normal Phase
#1273: GuiriEnEspana - votes Freudian Slit
#1278: Chronos - unvotes Tom Scud, votes DaphneBlack
#1293: peekercpa - unvotes
#1306: AllWalker - votes Freudian Slit

Vote Count
Gryff(1):
Boozoahol(2): AlkaSelzter, Thing Fish
Daphne(4): DrainBead, Gryff, Oneandonly, Chronos
Catinasuit(1): Tom Scud
Freudian Slit(3): ScubaBen, Guiri, AllWalker
Normalphase(1): Daphne

#1324: peekercpa - votes Drain Bead
#1330: peekercpa - unvotes, votes Drain Bead
#1331: peekercpa - unvotes
#1363: amrussell - votes Thing Fish

Gryff(1):
Boozoahol(2): AlkaSelzter, Thing Fish
Daphne(4): DrainBead, Gryff, Oneandonly, Chronos
Catinasuit(1): Tom Scud
Freudian Slit(3): ScubaBen, Guiri, AllWalker
Normalphase(1): Daphne
Thing Fish(1): amrussell

#1366: Alka Seltzer claims
#1367: Drain bead - unvotes DaphneBlack votes Boozahol Squid, P.I.
#1368: GuiriEnEspana - unvotes, votes Boozahol Squid, P.I.
#1370: Boozahol Squid, P.I. gives role title
#1371: Tom Scud - unvotes CIAS, votes Boozahol Squid, P.I.
#1374: Alka Seltzer - unvotes Boozahol Squid, P.I.
#1376: Tom Scud - unvotes Boozahol Squid, P.I., votes CIAS
#1377: GuiriEnEspana - unvotes
#1388: Drain Bead - unvotes
#1393: Tom Scud - unvotes CIAS, votes Thing Fish
#1398: Normal Phase - votes Drain Bead

Vote Count
Gryff(1):
Boozoahol(2): AlkaSelzter, Thing Fish
Daphne(3): Gryff, Oneandonly, Chronos
Freudian Slit(3): ScubaBen, Guiri, AllWalker
Normalphase(1): Daphne
Thing Fish(2): amrussell, TomScud
DrainBead(1): Normalphase

#1411: peekercpa - votes Boozahol Squid, P.I.
#1414: Boozahol Squid, P.I. (leader Vote) - votes Thing Fish
#1416: Thing Fish - unvotes Boozahol Squid, P.I., votes Freudian Slit

Vote Count:
Gryff(1):
Boozoahol(2): Peeker
Daphne(3): Gryff, Oneandonly, Chronos
Freudian Slit(4): ScubaBen, Guiri, AllWalker, Thing Fish
Normalphase(1): Daphne
Thing Fish(3): amrussell, TomScud, Boozy Squid
DrainBead(1): Normalphase

#1422: GuiriEnEspana - votes Thing Fish
#1424: CatInASuit - votes Thing Fish
#1425: DaphneBlack - unvotes Normal Phase
#1430: Drain Bead - vote DaphneBlack
#1433: tiltawhirl - vote DaphneBlack

Vote Count:
Gryff(1):
Boozoahol(1): Peeker
Daphne(5): Gryff, Oneandonly, Chronos, Drain Bead, Tiltawhirl
Freudian Slit(3): ScubaBen, AllWalker, Thing Fish
Thing Fish(5): amrussell, TomScud, Boozy Squid, Guiri, CiaS
DrainBead(1): Normalphase

#1441: Scuba Bean - unvotes Freudian Slit
#1443: Normal Phase - unvotes, votes Thing Fish
#1444: OAOW - unvotes DaphneBlack
#1445: Scuba Ben - votes Thing Fish

Vote Count:
Gryff(1):
Boozoahol(1): Peeker
Daphne(4): Gryff, Chronos, Drain Bead, Tiltawhirl
Freudian Slit(2): AllWalker, Thing Fish
Thing Fish(7): amrussell, TomScud, Boozy Squid, Guiri, CiaS, Normal Phase, Scuba Ben

#1453: Thing Fish claims Doctor
#1453: Thing Fish - unvotes Freudian Slit, votes Thing Fish
#1456: Alka Seltzer - votes peekercpa
#1457: Chronos - unvotes DaphneBlack
#1460: GuiriEnEspana - unvotes
#1462: Tom Scud - unvotes Thing Fish
#1470: Tom Scud - votes Chronos
#1474: GuiriEnEspana - votes Thing Fish
#1475: tiltawhirl - unvotes DaphneBlack, votes Freudian Slit
#1476: peekercpa - votes Chronos
#1489: Tom Scud - unvotes Chronos, votes Freudian Slit

vote count
Gryff(1):
Daphne(32: Gryff, Drain Bead
Freudian Slit(3): AllWalker, Tiltawhirl, Tom Scud
Thing Fish(7): amrussell, Boozy Squid, CiaS, Normal Phase, Scuba Ben, Thing Fish, Guiri
Peeker (1): Alka Seltzer
Chronos(1): , peeker

#1492: peekercpa - unvotes, votes Freudian Slit
#1498: Chronos - votes DaphneBlack

Final Vote Count
Vote Count:
Gryff(1):
Daphne(3): Gryff, Drain Bead, Chronos
Freudian Slit(4): AllWalker, Tiltawhirl, Tom Scud, peeker
Thing Fish(7): amrussell, Boozy Squid, CiaS, Normal Phase, Scuba Ben, Thing Fish, Guiri
Peeker (1): Alka Seltzer

The 3 main suspects through the Day were DaphneBlack, Freudian Slit and Thing Fish, not including Boozahol Squid, P.I.'s brief spotlight.

So, aside from the details that Tom Scud has already shared.

A couple of interesting points from the Day are shortly after Thing Fish gains 5 votes from GuiriEnEspana (#1422) and CIAS (#1424), we have two votes from Drain Bead (#1430) and tiltawhirl (#1433) pushing DaphneBlack back up to 5 votes.

Then at #1441 the vote was DBlack(5) and Thing Fish (5), could go either way still, despite DBlacks roleclaim and nothing from Thing Fish. From #1442 to #1444, this became DBlack(4) and Thing Fish (7) and much more likely that Thing Fish would swing.

Also, to note is that after Thing Fish’s claim, amrussell declined to move vote, Squid’s vote was fixed, Thing Fish vote was held by politician and Guiri revoted Thing Fish. The other three I believe were all offline. Short of getting 7 votes on Freudian Slit and hoping Boozahol would use his position to vote Freudian Slit, I think we stuffed ourselves with the vote timing. Please let’s not do that again.

And having done that, I can see** Drain Bead** is determined to be lynched and has a plan as well. :confused:

And yes, one thing does worry me about it is that she is asking for all the “confirmed” townies to vote for her and not the unconfirmed. That is also perfect for a bomb role as she points out.

Bluff or Double Bluff, or no Bluff at all?

Editing a post does not seem to be automatic modkill in this game, FWIW.

Vote Count:

Gryff (1)
Chronos(4): Oredigger, USCDiver, Tiltawhirl, Gryff
Tom Scud (2) : Chronos,
Drain Bead(3) : Tom Scud, Normalphase, DrainBead
NormalPhase(1): Daphne

Well, for a new player, at least she is hanging in there. However, I thought I would have a look as she tied up the vote on DaphneBlack with Thing Fish on Day 2.

tiltawhirl: brief WoW because there are not many posts

#6, #72: fluff (is first time player though)
#89: Supports electing experienced player
#138: Suggest leader makes voting intentions known beforehand
#178: elects tom scud and provides reasons
#288: Agrees with Normal Phase about variable length of Day being useful
#419: Comment to jpei about non Leader vote, comment on Tom Scud vs Peekercpa, thinks Tom was making educated guess, if peekercpa is scum, nit picking will undo him, if town it will be useful. and is town aligned.
#443: Thinks chronos’s first vote for OAOW was legit as was Drain Bead’s for Chronos. However does not see problem with Lie Detector so votes drain bead
#454: declared town but not on Drain Bead list
#520: unvotes drain bead, thinks peekercpa is likely lynch had not consider bandwagon before casting vote, will klook at Tom scud Oredigger analysis
#579: Sees nothing in Oredigger analysis, thinks Tom Scud is well-reasoned, pro-town play
#664: Question to Gryff and JC, about peekercpa’s claim and if Drain bead scum and not town, why claim VT.
#669: Thanks for Mafia 101, is against peekercpa lynch at this time, but he is more likely scum, comment to jpei, comment on understanding Drain Beads writing style more.
#704: question to jpei about roleclaiming before using power.
#708: votes BillMC over BillMCs vote for Boozy Squid
#867: standing firm on BillMC vote, FOS on Chronos of pushing OAOW roleclaim and wanting quick end to Day
#896: fluff
#1018: dissents on electing “confirmed” players, add reason, elects Tom Scud to see justification of actions.
#1358: is swamped by game
#1433: comment to daphneblack for not giving up all information and gives encouragement by voting daphneblack
#1475: unvotes Daphneblack following response, does not understand the Thing Fish wagon, votes FS for abandoning game.
#1540: comment to Thing Fish and on End of Day
#1649: Elects Tom Scud again
#1655: Comment to mods
#1699: repeats comment about electing unconfirmed players, thinks Boozy may be semi-confirmed, action was anti-town
#1700: has few reasons to believe Tom Scud is town
#1731: comment about climbing on bandwagons. Considers chronos runaway leader, open to alternative candidate, but he is the most suspect over big picture arguing and less engagment on vote issues. votes Chronos

She has been reasonably consistent with her actions. and has given reasons for her votes/unvotes. Concerning the DaphneBlack vote, she did unvote afterwards when given a good reason and then voted FS, which I think is a pro-town mark. Another interesting point is her call for an unconfirmed leader, which she has explained, but I’m unsure whether this is townie or not.

However, there is not that much extra to analyse so I would ask **tiltawhirl **to post some more thoughts on the game.

Will try and look at Normal Phase next.