I don’t even know who this man is but after reading this I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire in a ditch. You suck Michael Moore. Bastard!
He’s gone a bit OTT of late but I still have a soft spot for him. He’s done some class things in the past. Check out Roger and Me (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0098213) if you have any interest in seeing where he came from.
Boy, what a stupid article. And what a stupid OP. You judge a man from two paragraphs in a right-wing editorial?
Some past shitty behavior by Moore, just to get you more upset. 
Moore certainly says some stupid things, but the writer of that article might be going a wee bit overboard:
“We need the Government to nail the producers of vicious filth. Violent songs and videos sustain these men in their life choices.”
Anyone that blatant in their support for gov’t censorship loses my sympathies.
That article is a little inflammatory. As for ‘censorship’, the columnist is English, not American. Social harmony is pretty important over there and there’s no first amendment. Of course, the British press manages to be pretty free anyway. And the idea that these folks are so evil as to mimic the most vicious aspects of American entertainment is his main point anyway.
But that’s not the OP’s main point. IF–and I want a second source for this, and I’m sure we’ll get one shortly–IF Moore said this, he’s finished. The idea that black men are these tough brutes who, unlike all hijack victims before 9/11 who cooperated and almost always lived through their ordeals, will instantly and mindlessly rush the hijackers is really insulting.
And the insult to the heroes of Flight 93 will not be forgotten. Todd Beamer and his cohorts saved the White House or the Capitol. Who gives a fuck what color their skin was? For the record, the co-pilot, LeRoy W. Homer, was Black. So were two of the flight attendents, Wanda Green and CeeCee Ross-Lyles. Poor Homer, like my acquaintance from church, Deborah Welsh, may have been was among the first killed by the hijackers to scare the others. The hijackers didn’t see the color of their skins, they saw Americans. To be killed.
IF it’s true, fuck you Michael. If the story takes off, you’ve just ended your career.
It’s a slightly twisted version of the story. I’ve seen the show in question, several weeks ago, and while I did find it badly phrased and in poor taste, the author of that article has twisted his words somewhat. His point was that the predominantly white middle-classes of the US and Britain have grown used to paying other people to fix their problems, hence uncertainty when there is nobody else to deal with it. He made the point that if it was a planeload of black people (with the implication that they were all from more disadvantaged backgrounds and had had to deal with tougher situations) that the outcome may have been different. Not would; may.
He did not go so far as the story suggests in talking about the implied physical characteristics or personalities. That’s the author’s fiction, and she should be ashamed for adding oil to the fire.
However, I think it was a very poor analogy, and many in the show I went to complained loudly and vociferously at him. Adding race to it was the little inflammatory touch that it really didn’t need; the point could have been made (whether anyone would have agreed with it or not) without that.
Nah. Controversy like this won’t make too much difference. People who hate will still hate him; people who like him will cluck and wonder why he spoils his decent arguments with simplistic and tasteless analogies.
Michael Moore was and is and always will be an irritating asshole. I have never heard him say anything intelligent.
I heard someone the other day propose that by somehow merging Ann Coulter and Michael Moore, you’d get a normal-sized moderate.
Count me in the “wonder why he spoils his decent arguments with simplistic and tasteless analogies” crowd. I liked BfC but I thought the middle part about Dick Clark and welfare felt out of place. I liked his two books but thought he had it all wrong about economics.
I see him as an “entertainer” who’s schtick is getting old and therefor must get more and more outragous to get attention.
Pretty easy to ignore, actually.
Electric Boog-a-loo? Why does it need electricity?
Oh the poor white guys, oh, how they’ve suffered. :rolleyes:
Since the only “white guys” that have been discussed in this thread are the ones that died in the Sept. 11th attacks, I’m going to say “yes, they probably did”, and fuck you.
Just like Joan Rivers! Remember her “widows of 9/11” routine?
Hmm. I wonder what would happen if you paired Joan Rivers and Michael Moore.
She’d break a hip.
I suspect the writer was engaing in a little hyperbole. No doubt that Moore said something stupid, but I doubt seriously he made the comments she recounts.
I feel that Mr. Moore has finally touched the third rail.
A bit disappointing, coming from you, my friend. Many “white guys” — those who are poor, those who lack political clout, those who bear oppression — have suffered greatly. Do not divide the world that way. Divide it blind so that you won’t see who is white and who is not.
Moore’s remark was asinine (Diogenes, you get second place).
But how exactly do we get from that to blaming Moore for glorifying gun violence, Afro-Caribbeans thronging the mental health clinics, gangsta rap etc.?
I think the column writer blew a gasket somewhere down the line.
The Independent is anything but what the name suggests, it’s a blatant mouthpiece of far-rightwing elements in the UK.
As such I really don’t give two hoots what they think about anything, let alone a man who’s work I respect as much as Moore’s.
— D.
Ummm, no, you are incorrect. Are you thinking of the Telegraph?