I do not care if insults are allowed the BBQ Pit. I do not post them. I post facts and logical reasoning.
If I have neglected to respond to rational proofs that the races are biologically equivalent that is because I do not read all of the comments here. Most are unworthy of my time.
Serious, quality scientific testing has only been performed for the last few decades- not nearly enough time to even entertain your drastic notions. The “race gap” has been shrinking by many measures, though not all. By a few, it’s completely gone (or even reversed, for groups like Nigerian immigrants).
I believe that because of personal experience, you have a lot of hatred and disdain for black people. You have convinced yourself that you have a rational reason for it- as most people who have hatred and disdain for another race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc. do. But you don’t. 100 years ago, some people hated and disdained the Irish and Italian immigrants, and they convinced themselves they had rational reasons for it. But they didn’t, and neither do you.
By the way- the reason I believe this really isn’t because of your stubbornness in clinging to a lack of data and poor arguments. It’s because of the times you’ve fallen out of your “rational” seeming guise, and said things like calling Africans “savages”. I think it was during those posts that you were being the most honest.
So why does the race gap persist?
So, you deliberately choose to post in a forum where debate isn’t the focus.
And then choose to ignore posts that actually engage in the debate you want.
That also completely ignores the fact that you partially responded to some parts of my (and others’) posts and conveniently glossed over all the stuff for which you had no decent response.
Don’t try to rewrite history. That just doesn’t work on the internet.
I would say you’re a troll along these lines, but only a True Believer could go on as long as you have without revealing the trolling.
Pretty much everything you post insults our intelligence. You have yet to show any genetic evidence at all of your pet hypothesis. And your arrogance is outstanding… unwarranted, but outstanding.
I answered this in post 2564. But here’s a little more- there’s only good data for one country with lots of “black” people (the USA). There’s no good data for the vast majority of African and Caribbean countries, and I’m not aware of any good data for countries like Brazil that have lots of “black” people. Also- if your explanation was the correct one, then it would predict that those (among relatively mixed populations like African Americans) with more “African” ancestry would have lower scores (and higher crime). But there’s no correlation with this at all. When there’s no correlation (within this larger group) between crime/test scores and ancestry, it makes it hard to believe that there’s something intrinsic to ancestry that causes the gap.
There is no race gap. I know that there have been posts with evidence of a gap between certain elements of humanity, but I’m closing my ears and saying, “LALALALA!” so I won’t hear them.
That’s called my New Deal Racist Democrat method of debate.
NO.
Funny thing, virtually all know that your comments are unworthy of their time. What you are showing is indeed that the circles that you, as a nowhere man, go to are getting smaller; and eventually what many conclude is that you are indeed happy of just going around in irrelevant circles.
Until you show me that all biologists agree with your definitions of race and mostly genetically based intelligence, I do not worry about the progress made in the scientific world, I only worry about the poor souls that could be mislead by you. But, so far even your good sources are telling you to not be such a reckless misinterpreter of the evidence, so I just laugh and point out to others that we should go somewhere.
George: Ok, men all aboard. Lets go somewhere.
Ringo: [Indicating Jeremy] What about him?
John: He’s happy enough going around in circles.
NDD- this is what I believe about you (repeated from post 2564):
And I think this is the most honest thing you’ve said in terms of revealing your own actual, deeply held beliefs about black people:
I admit that Nigerian immigrants are an interesting exception to the rule. However, they are the exception. I would like to quite a bit more about Nigerian immigrants. For example, what is their average IQ? Do affirmative action policies assist their admission to college? Where do they get their college degrees, and in what subjects? A mathematics degree from MIT is more impressive to me than a sociology degree from a community college. Although I have not read about Nigerian immigrants crowding elite colleges and universities in the United States, I do read that they are full of Orientals and Ashkenazi Jews.
Although Nigeria is rich in oil, the per capita gross domestic product is $ 2,600 according to the CIA World Factbook.
According to UNData the Nigerian murder rate per 100,000 inhabitants is 17.7 percent.
These are not statistics we would expect to find if the biological quality of the Nigerian people was equivalent to that of white populations in Europe, or Oriental populations in China and Japan.
So what? 100 years ago we could have said the same thing about China as compared to Europe and America. It says as much about genetics and race now as it did then- nothing.
This is like the fifth time you’ve used “percent” wrong. Do you know what percent means?
Excuse me. You are right about my misuse of “percent.” That is a picayune point that does not discredit my argument.
I am unaware of any credible statistics that indicate that China had a high murder rate one hundred years ago. The quality of Chinese civilization for over three thousand years testifies to the high native intelligence of that nation.
Where are the great civilizations created by Negroes? Where is there any evidence that Negroes can create thriving societies without white tutelage?
No- it’s your lack of evidence, not to mention your obvious disdain and hatred for black people, that discredit your argument.
Your opinion about the relative quality of civilizations does not count as scientific evidence. Over the last several hundred years, that quality civilization could not compete, economically or militarily, with “inferior” peoples from Europe until very recently.
And this has as much to do with race, genetics, or ancestry as talking about the wonders of the ancient Nubians.
Nubia, Great Zimbabwe, Ethiopia, the Land of Punt, the Ghana Empire, the peaceful Nri, the Kingdom of Buganda, etc. We’ve been through this. We name a bunch of civilizations/populations that answer your question, and you ignore them or have some “explanation” for why they don’t count.
In effect, no you have not at all.
You have linked to the commercial services that are selling the ancestry tracing services, which is of course no proof that your races exist as the coherent genetic groups that they must be for your ideas of intelligence even to have a small chance of being valid.
In fact as someone said above, ability to trace to specific countries, it is dubious these commercial services actually are doing so in a factual strict manner given the lack of datas but we can just allow this, in fact undermines the idea of the coherency of your race idea.
You have such a limited comprehension of what you are pretending to be sure of, you can not even recognise these problems that are deadly to your theories.
He spoke an opinion, although I see no evidence in your article that he was forced to step down - he was 79 years old.
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But it is typical of your habits to forget to note this
Again, you have so much greater concerns about the American politics than any actual evidences from genetics.
Your position is only about politics. Like 84 it is then quite funny it is you two who claim that all the arguments against you are politics, when you have failed to provide any coherent genetic evidences at all. All endless assumptions based off of sociological datas and the rabid hatred of dark peoples.
Just doesn’t give up.
And still demonstrates a lack of understanding of AVERAGE. And “the exception that proves the rule” is a ridiculous argument at this stage.
The average Chinese person is shorter than the average American. In case you ask, differences in nutrition explain this nicely, rather than genetics, as does the example of height differences between North and South Koreans.
That doesn’t mean EVERY Chinese person is shorter than EVERY American. Yao Ming is a perfect example of that.
All those “Orientals” you keep touting? They’re immigrants. People who have the means and desire to immigrate are going to perform better, whether they’re from China, the US, or Nigeria. They outperform the people they left behind.
As I noted earlier (and for which you still have no good counter-argument), the example of n-th generation “Orientals” descended from the 19th century Chinese immigrants who built the railroads and also the whole state of Hawaii provide a good example. They don’t outperform their peers, while recently immigrated Chinese do. It’s not a genetic thing. Socioeconomic factors explain it quite adequately, which you’ve never acknowledged.
“Biological quality”?
Define that, please. Scientifically, if possible, though I know you aren’t capable of it.
And you’re still (as I remind you yet again) not explaining how you are differentiating biological factors from genetic.
You’ve been given several examples of effects that are biological without being genetic, yet have never shown why in this PARTICULAR example, non-genetic biological factors can be safely ignored.
Here the Oxford Dictionary definition of : Racism
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**racism **
Pronunciation: /ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m/
noun
[mass noun]
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races: theories of racism
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior: a programme to combat racism
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Since its a faith, there is no need to debate - its bases on bullshit, fear and made up shit.
Simple fact:* In the Bible they build Noah’s arc because it was raining 40 day and forty nights. In Ireland we call this the fecken summer.*
Source: Mrs.Browne 2011