Crime and illegitimacy increased among all demographics after the 60s (crime rates here). And then they came back down. The murder rate in 2010 was pretty close to the same as the murder rate in 1960 (4.8 for 2010 to 5.1 for 1960).
And your “marginal improvements” only tell some of the story- many studies have shown significant improvements, and significant reduction in the test-score gap.
Savagery can be contrasted with civilization. Would you say that black urban neighborhoods are known for civilized behavior, or its opposite?
When will the race gap between blacks and whites be closed? Don’t you wish that you could demonstrate that No Child Left Behind is achieving its goals? Don’t you get tired of explaining away its obvious failures?
When has a program that was designed to bring blacks up to white standards been successful?
Yes. That is what I mean. Only a few blacks attended the schools I grew up in. I never shared a class room with a single black student. I have talked to people who “tried to teach” - as they put it - class rooms where nearly everyone was black. They have told me that it is a frustrating and sometimes a dangerous experience.
I disagree. brazil84 is retarded, New Deal Racist is evil.
brazil84 makes wild claims with no evidence, and requires people who disagree with him to post evidence. He thinks that blacks are inferior, but then claims he never said that. Retarded.
New Deal Racist makes claims with no evidence and tries to use crime statistics and “proper behavior” to show that blacks are less intelligent than other races and calls his results genetic in nature. This is as retarded as b84, but he also calls blacks savages and would love to see them in labor camps, this makes him evil.
I guess New Deal’s incest laden family is to blame, his parents must have been very closely related.
My parents taught me not to hate black people. They taught me that the differences between blacks and whites were minimal, and due to racial discrimination. What they taught me has been called into question by what I have read about blacks, what I have experienced, what my friends have experienced, and even what my relatives have experienced.
Lots of whites have been robbed and raped by blacks. Why do you think white flight happens? I used to think white flight was caused by irrational color prejudice. Then I talked to whites who flew.
The civil rights legislation could not have been passed without white support. Whites who supported the legislation were often aware of black social pathology and inferior academic performance. They thought these would disappear when blacks were no longer discriminated against. That was four decades ago. They have not disappeared. Most whites do not want to talk about it. But they know.
We’ve refuted your claims ad nauseum. You and brazil84 defame yourselves.
The board has a lot of scientists, and a lot of people with scientific training who understand science a lot better than you do. By scientific standards of evidence, your claims fail, period. You don’t get this, either because you’re not bright enough, or because you’re pathologically stubborn. That’s why you come in for such abuse.
Your standard evidence and method of argument are the same as those used in political speeches and advertising. They fall apart under strict examination. They can seem convincing to people who are either not knowledgeable about the subject matter or are not paying close attention.
In one of the Great Debate threads, one of your fellow travelers, Chuck11, was honest enough to admit that the strong case for a genetic test score gap cannot be made for “blacks” in Europe. He holds out hope that a weak case can still be made, but he’s a white nationalist true believer who can never give up hope in his cause.
Repeatedly, consistently, the claim for a genetic test score gap falls apart under serious scrutiny. The same is true for genetic claims about crime. The situation in the rest of the world is not the same as the situation in the States. The social problems you seek to address are primarily American phenomena. Generalizing to the rest of the world makes you fail on multiple fronts and look foolish.
No surprise here- a hateful man using hateful words to describe people he hates.
Poor neighborhoods have more crime- both poor white and poor black neighborhoods (and poor mixed ones). Wealthy black neighborhoods are very nice places to visit and to live, just like wealthy white neighborhoods, and wealthy mixed neighborhoods.
I don’t know, but by many studies it has made significant progress. Let’s check again in 50 years.
The explanation is easy- it’s a bad program, and bad programs fail.
I don’t know of any national program specifically “designed to bring blacks up to white standards”.
Wait… lemme get this straight. You have an anecdotal story about how black classrooms are “frustrating and dangerous”, and you’ve never been in a black classroom? Are you joking? Even your own personal anecdotes could not be considered as any sort of scientific data, but a third-hand story? That’s ridiculous. Your hatred of black people is blinding you to basic rational thought.
The most diverse environment I’ve ever been in, personally, was in the Navy on a submarine. We had lots of black folks, lots of white folks, a few hispanics, and a few asians. We had black officers and white officers, and black, hispanic, and white Chief Petty Officers (senior enlisted). There was no difference on average in the job performance of the “races” onboard the submarine. And racism of any kind was completely unacceptable.
Want an example of an organization with a (relatively speaking) long history of integration? Look at the US military. There’s no affirmative action within the military, and racism is not tolerated at all (in my experience). You make it by merit and that’s it (ok, for Admirals and Generals sometimes it’s ass-kissing and politics). We had good white sailors and bad white sailors, and good black sailors and bad black sailors.
So what about you? What was the most diverse environment you’ve been in for extended periods of time? Tell me about your experiences with black people.
These are the experiences I’m asking you about. Please share.
An Appeal to Authority is a fallacy with the following form:
Person A is (claimed to be) an authority on subject S.
Person A makes claim C about subject S.
Therefore, C is true.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html
If these people are so knowledgeable, why can’t they answer my simple questions? Why don’t blacks behave and perform as well as whites? Why did black rates of crime and illegitimacy increase after the civil rights legislation was signed? Why has every attempt to bridge the race gap in academic performance failed?
The reason I come in for such abuse is because I ask troubling questions, because I express inconvenient truths, and because those who abuse me are scoundrels and cowards.
NDD- while you’ve provided no genetic evidence at all, your explanation for the achievement gap in education and crime could have predictive power, especially among an ancestry-diverse population like African Americans. If your explanation is correct, then one would expect a correlation between the amount of “black” ancestry in an African-American and lower test scores (and higher crime).
But testing does not show this at all- it shows that the cultural self-identifier of “African American” has a correlation to the achievement gap, but genetic testing of ancestry does not. Care to try and explain this?
For one thing your questions have nothing to do with genetics. Why don’t blacks “behave and perform” as well as whites? This is a meaningless question that can’t be answered objectively.
Why did black rates of crime and illegitimacy increase after civil rights? Because all crime and illegitimacy increased. Why did white rates of crime and illegitimacy increase after civil rights?
Why has every attempt to bridge the “race gap” failed? The gap has shrunk by many measures. And there is not a particularly long history of atttempts to bridge this gap… a few decades is not nearly enough to answer such a broad and sweeping question.
We’ve answered all these questions- even though most of them have nothing to do with your genetic explanation which has no evidence. Your hate has just led you to ignore anything that doesn’t jive with your narrative.
<racist rationalization mode on>
Obviously, those so-called “whites” were really black people passing for white! But their inferior black genes left them unable to maintain the proper behavior exhibited by true, pure blooded white folk!
<racist rationalization mode off>
I have already demonstrated that blacks in England usually perform less well academically than whites. It is difficult to distinguish between white and black crime rates in England, because statistics pertaining to that are concealed.
If bad genes are not responsible for high rates of black illegitimacy and crime, and inferior intellectual performance, what, or who is responsible? A bad culture, perhaps? Who is responsible for that?
If it is the fault of whites, why do blacks in the United States have higher standards of living than blacks in Africa? Why has the end of colonialism and apartheid been so disappointing in Africa? Why has two centuries of black majority rule left Haiti with the lowest standard of living in South America?
Where is there one single example of a black run country with a thriving economy, a well functioning democracy, and a low crime rate?
It is an important question that cannot receive an answer consistent with assertions of innate racial equality.
Because there is no evidence that the problems you see have a simple answer? You’ve provided no evidence at all that these problems are genetic. There may well be some component of genetic influence, but at this time no one has found one. Illegitimacy is a problem in your eyes, but I think it’s no big deal… as long as both parents take responsibility for the children. And as for why the performance gap still exists in the US? Maybe because things like NCLB are ill thought out and poorly executed.
By the way, you’re being abused because you are a racist and promoting vile things while trying to put a scientific spin on things.
You know who else did that? 
A number of factors influence illegitimacy and crime. One of them is race. When the other factors cause more illegitimacy and crime black illegitimacy and crime keep well ahead of white rates.
Of course it can, you’ve received many in this thread… you just don’t accept them.
Prove it. You haven’t been able to so far.
The New York Times November 20, 2006
Despite concerted efforts by educators, the test-score gaps are so large that, on average, African-American and Hispanic students in high school can read and do arithmetic at only the average level of whites in junior high school.
“The gaps between African-Americans and whites are showing very few signs of closing,” Michael T. Nettles, a senior vice president at the Educational Testing Service, said in a paper he presented recently at Columbia University. One ethnic minority, Asians, generally fares as well as or better than whites.
Since the school year of 1990-91 the race gap in SAT scores has increased.