From the Year One thread:
…Brady is old and his health is questionable…
Not a first rounder, but still, ouch.
Aside from Ezekiel Elliot (and Derrick Henry, though no one knew it at the time), 2016 was really thin at RB.
Well I can certainly say that Kenneth Dixon at 1.03 was a nightmare for me. Did he ever even play a single down in the NFL? Ugh.
The top 5 picks being discussed are pretty much also who I thought, I’m interested to see who goes in the next 5. I’ve got lots of options with my late round picks, so I’m not particularly worried.
I’m a little surprised there’s not more discussion about Trevor Lawrence in the top five. But I think most of us have our quarterback situation sorted for the near future.
A case could be made for me taking him, mainly because my QB position still isn’t solved, but I dunno, taking a QB 4th overall seems like a huge reach. Of course, I took Baker Mayfield at 1.05 like a knucklehead, but at the time in the thread I said I didn’t like anybody at that spot.
Looking back – now that there’s handy links to click – I should have gotten down on my knees and been thankful that Nick Chubb fell to me.
Besides, if I took Lawrence, it would be the third QB in 4 years I drafted with my first pick. (Jones after trading the 1.12 down into the 2nd, but still.) And just by me picking him, he’d be doomed to a Mayfield-esque run-first career.
I don’t know; you may have convinced me. Clearly my instincts are not to be trusted.
I will almost certainly take a QB but let’s see who’s there at the end of the 1st round. I am still not certain that Dak will be 100% again and that leaves me only Russell Wilson. I haven’t forgotten that matchup I won even though I didn’t have anyone in the QB slot.
Jules brings up the idea of adding a superflex spot every year (meaning any position starts there, which means 2nd QB excepting emergencies) which does give the QB spot relatively more value. In a 1 QB league, most people find their guy and they’re set for years, so the demand for QBs is relatively low and stable, which is not terribly interesting. With 2 QBs, rookie QBs enter the draft picture as high first round picks, and it becomes harder and more important to keep good QBs on your roster.
If we were a startup league, I would definitely want to do that, as I think it’s more interesting. Obviously as a dynasty league it’s harder to make such a big change since that’s something you need to be able to plan for ahead of time, switching means some people are unprepared for the possibility that they did not think they’d have to draft for, which is fair.
We could consider making the switchover in the future, perhaps 3 to 5 years in the future, to give people time to prepare for it and get another QB on their roster. I realize that’s a very long term plan to switch, and probably why we haven’t really generated much discussion about the issue, but it’s something to think about discussing and voting on if there’s interest in it.
Speaking of long term, I see the SDMB now has a reddit style cake day for the day you joined the boards. Today is my 20th anniversary here, more than half my life I’ve spent using the SDMB daily or almost daily.
I do like the idea of a superflex transition, because it would make the league and draft more interesting. It would help prevent the league from getting stale going into our second decade, too. But we would need to schedule it at least 2-3 years down the road. I would vote yes
I don’t think I want another starting position. My immediate reaction to a second QB is “I don’t even have one yet!” but…in order to maintain current roster size, would changing the R/W slot into Q/R/W work? Not saying I’d vote for this; just trying to get a sense of what you mean.
If we just add another new roster spot and it’s a superflex, then you’re either starting 2 QBs or 4 RBs or GTFO, right? I’m a hard No vote on being able to start 4 RBs.
RNATB’s all-time first round picks:
2009 Michael Turner (1-2)
2010 Devin Aromashodu (1-12)*
2011 Delone Carter (1-6)
2012 Justin Blackmon (1-7)
2013 Gio Bernard (1-2)
2014 Sammy Watkins (1-6)**
2015 Breshad Perriman (1-6)
2016 Tyler Boyd (1-6)
2017 Kareem Hunt (1-6)***
2018 Traded pick to Justin Bailey for… something?
2019 T.J. Hockenson (1-9)
2020 Zack Moss (1-11)
2021 Najee Harris (1-1)****
*who???
**traded to Varlos for Brandin Cooks who he picked at 1-12 and a future first rounder
***traded back one spot from 1-5 so Beef could draft Corey Davis
****listening to trade offers, but I can’t think of much that would tempt me
I’m probably the only one who remembers this now, but I picked Michael Turner over Adrian Peterson in the first draft because I was absolutely certain AP was going to be drafted #1 overall and didn’t even look at the pick. Turner was coming off a 1700/17 rushing season and he produced 900/10 in only 11 games in 2009, but… he was no AP. For those playing at home, Maurice Jones-Drew was the first overall pick. Like Turner, he produced three 1000-plus yard seasons after he was drafted and then disappeared promptly. Peterson produced… five, plus one 970-yard season shortened by injury.
If I’m being fair, Delone Carter, Devin Aromashadu and Breshad Perriman are probably my only true busts. Carter was a fourth-round Colts RB who was out of the league after two seasons and 500 yards. Aromashadu was a waiver-wire pickup who had a vaguely promising season with Chicago in 2009 after missing 2008. Perriman was a homer (UCF) pick who had great speed and size, and who really busted due to injury issues. Since leaving Baltimore he’s become a solid journeyman, at least. I wound up dropping Tyler Boyd more or less immediately before he decided to become the Bengals’ #1 receiver, which was annoying.
Anyway, if anyone wants to feel better about their draft history, take a look at my 2013:
1.2 (2): Giovani Bernard, RB, Cin
2.2 (14): EJ Manuel, QB, Buf
3.2 (26): Stepfan Taylor, RB, Ari
4.2 (37): Isaac Redman, RB, Pit
5.1 (42): Steven Haushka, K, Sea
6.1 (43): Luke Stocker, TE, TB
7.1 (44): Matt Barkley, QB, Phi
8.1 (45): Kenjon Barner, RB, Car
Steven Haushka was arguably my best pick that season.
[messed up the reply feature somehow. This was in regards to the Brady comment]
And he is still my #1.
Are their any other original picks on rosters?
So there are 2 ways to add a second QB starting position: simply add another QB position, or add a superflex spot. The idea behind the superflex spot is that if your QBs are injured/bye and you can’t manage to field 2 QBs, you could stick another player (like a RB/WR/TE) in the superflex spot so that you get their production instead of 0. You will almost always start a QB in that position when possible because QBs score more than those other positions (it would be very unusual for anyone to start their 4th RB there instead of a QB), it just provides a backup/mitigation in the event that you couldn’t start a second QB that week.
Generally, we would add a new position to the roster. I think your concern about being able to start 4 RBs wouldn’t really be a problem. Probably no one would ever start their 4th best RB over their second or third best QB, it would rarely/never be a strategic choice to do so because you thought they’d score the most points but rather just a fallback when injuries and bye weeks kept them from starting a QB. If we were to switch our existing flex spot to superflex, we would essentially be removing a RB/WR from our starting rosters because people would almost always start their QB there when possible.
I think you’re thinking in terms of traditional 1 QB league scarcity which makes RBs more valuable than QBs and thinking that would mean people would have an advantage starting more RBs. But QBs are the biggest points scorers, people would always start more QBs over more RBs when they could. It would almost never be an advantage for a team to run QB/RBx4 versus QBx2/RBx3.
Aaron Rodgers, of course. grumble grumble
Actually I traded Rodgers to Jules late last year, so that he could bench (incorrectly) him during the championship game. He gave me back OBJ.
Rodgers is still quite good, and I kind of wanted to have Rodgers on my team for his entire career, but I’m on the Josh Allen train now, and I thought I’d try to get some value out of Rodgers while he flirts with retirement.
I think we actually figured out what players were still with their original owners in last year’s thread, but Brady and Rodgers are the only ones I can recall offhand.
I’ve had Phillip Rivers since pick #39 in the inaugural draft up until the end of last year. I shed a tear when I cut him.
How dare you! I correctly benched Rodgers, considering he was playing in a blizzard. It just didn’t work out, because Rodgers. He helped get me there, though
That’s a fair point. I’m very aware of the difference between the quality of the decision and the results. Results-based thinking is extremely common in sports and fantasy football.
(Still, it would’ve been funnier if you lost by a margin that Rodgers would’ve made up)
Frank Gore was my last original player when I dropped him last year.
Honestly, it was a bit heartbreaking.