The Great Old Ones, five cuts = five picks.
QBs
M. Stafford, LAR
T. Lawrence, JAX
C. Ward, TEN
RBs
D. Swift, CHI
J. Taylor, IND
S. Perine, CIN
J. Hill, BAL
T. Bigsby, PHI
WRs
T. McLaurin, WAS
J. Addison, MIN
T. McMillan, CAR
W. Robinson, TEN
G. Wilson, NYJ
J. Jennings, MIN
C. Kirk, SF
TEs
H. Henry, NE
M. Taylor, NYJ
K
A. Borregales, NE
DEFs
LAR
NE
Cuts
B. Knight, RB, ARI
J. McNichols, RB, WAS
J. Royals, KC, WR
J. Lane, WAS, WR
B. McManus, K
So I’m here, filling in for @Omniscient for now. I’m more than willing to sign it back over to him if he were to show up and want control again. As SenorBeef stated, he’s also the one missing owner in the HHM league.
Thanks for the explanation of what is needed from me, Ellis. I will start going over the roster this evening and work on identifying cuts vs keeps.
Is there somewhere where I can see all the rules for the league? I think I understand that players can be kept forever, as well as the 25 roster limit is met, but I’d hate to make a roster decision without knowing the full ramifications.
I assume that all rookies are draftable this year? And that’s what I’d be targetting with the high picks that Omni built up?
So I’ve got a preliminary list of 19 keepers and 7 cuts; would like till tomorrow to finalize it however.
So there is not one single document of rules and bylaws, that is my fault, we’ve solved problems and made rules over the years and I never consolidated them into one single document. It’s many thousands of posts to read over the history of the league to make one, and, actually, that’s probably a really good task for me to use an LLM for - feed it all the past threads, see where we decided on a rule or bylaw, and add it to a list. I’ll look into doing that.
There actually aren’t that many you need to worry about. The basic structure is: we have 25 man rosters, the maximum on yahoo, with 15 bench slots. At the end of the year, you can cut as many players as you want. However many roster slots you have under 25 after cuts is your number of draft picks. So if you’re drafting 1st overall, and had 21 players on your roster after the cuts, you’d have the 1.01, 2.01, 3.01, and 4.01 picks, barring any trades. Your 5th through 25th slot would be used to keep players.
We do an offline draft in the thread and process it as it goes along in yahoo. Yahoo used to, up until 2 or 3 years ago, subtract the kept and drafted players from that draft from the free agent list, so you were able to get a list of rookies+free agents that were draftable from within yahoo, but unfortunately a change they made stopped having it update the offline draft like that. But conceptually, anyone not kept on a roster is draftable. Rookies, people’s cuts, unowned free agents that are on no one’s roster are available to be drafted. You can look through previous threads (found in the OP) to get a sense in how the draft plays out. It’s almost all rookies for the first 3 rounds or so, sometimes free agents like kickers, defenses, and some fringe roster players are drafted in the later rounds.
You can trade future picks as part of your trades and that’s what Omni did a lot of last year - which is why you ended up with the 3rd and 9th picks in addition to your natural 1.02 and 2.02.
Don’t worry too much about this next part because it’s a little confusing at first, but I assure you it makes sense (after much litigation). Because of the “everyone must finish the draft with 25 players” rule that comes with the way yahoo handles keepers, we’ve developed a system where trades that execute during the draft have to be balanced. The number of picks and players need to be the same on either side. Otherwise someone would end the draft with 24 players and the other 26, both impossible with yahoo’s system. So what we do is: when there’s an unbalanced trade, like, say a player for a first and second round draft pick, one player would end the draft with 24 players and the other 26. So what we do is send the player with 26’s last draft pick (which he can’t use) over to the player who is receiving less, so they both finish up with 25. This is sounds more complicated than it is. No one is losing anything, because the guy with 26 players/picks couldn’t use that extra slot anyway since the max roster size is 25. Don’t worry about it too much, I only mention it so you can understand why your actual trades read like “Jules 1.03 and 1.09 picks for Omni’s last 2 picks”
Because of those trades last year, if you end up at a roster of 20, and therefore have 5 picks, you’d have the 1.02, 2.02, 3.02, 4.02, and 5.02. But because Omni traded Jules for higher picks, you’d swap the 4.02 and 5.02 for the 1.03 and 1.09.
If you keep 19 players and 6 picks, you’d get your 4.02 and Jules would get your 5.02 and 6.02. Yes, I know, this sounds like he’s losing something, but it’s important to remember these are free picks he otherwise wouldn’t have if the trade hadn’t been balanced anyway.
You don’t need to worry about this until/unless you start trading future draft picks. And if you want to balance picks yourself (and not just include the “last pick” throw in), you can always specify a trade like: my 1st and 5th next year for Jules’ 2nd and 3rd.
Also, we do use an injury/IR slot. Your team actually has 26 players right now because someone was on IR when the season ended. So you’ll have to cut one more player to get the number of draft picks you want. The actual calculation is 25 - number of kept players, I’m just mentioning the IR slot so you don’t think “5 cuts = 5 draft picks”, it would actually be 4 in this case.
You can change your team name to whatever you want. We generally don’t change names from year to year. It’s better for building rivalries if we remember who is who rather than having a newly named flavor of the month team from year to year and trying to match that with the SDMB username.
We have 3 divisions, the winner of each division goes to the playoffs with one wildcard being the 4th playoff slot. You play each team in your division twice (if Jules is kind enough to manually create a schedule as he has done for years). They are fixed - they originally had to do with the geographical distribution of the original players, but with replacements over the years that’s outdated. You can see them under the “standings” page on yahoo, you’re part of the Midwest division with Hamlet, Retrovertigo, and Ol’Gaffer.
Scoring rules are a little different from default, you can see them in the league scoring page. Half PPR, defensive points allowed is gives more points on either end (more points for a low score, more negative points for a high score allowed), sacks count as -.3 against a QB, and a few other tweaks. Return yards are scored at 25/point which gives some gadget players who play offense and special teams more value. The value of this has gone down over the years as there are fewer returns.
We have a system where if you’re going to be unavailable in the hour before game time and you’re not sure if a player is going to be out or not, you can say “if X player is out, I want Y player to replace him” - make sure X is in a slot (like a flex spot) where this makes sense, and I’ll execute that roster change. It’s a courtesy that helps people in situations where they can’t get to a computer during the critical period where players are declared out. It only gets used a few times a year but it’s available to you.
I think that covers the important stuff. If you have any questions by all means ask. I haven’t looked over your roster but I would say that you should at least get down to 21 players, your first 4 picks (1.02, 1.03, 1.09, 2.02) are very high and very valuable, and I’d probably cut at least one more to retain your third round pick too. You can look at other people’s cuts and keepers to get a feel for what sort of players get cut and kept.
And, in general, I’d imagine you realize this, but dynasty tends to have a more long term outlook. Redraft values aren’t the same as dynasty values. Age is important because you might own the same player for, well, as long as you want and as long as the league runs. Hamlet is on year 51 of owning Keenan Allen. Gerald R Ford originally blessed the move.
Oh, and a reference list for who is who:
New York Fanboys = Ellis Dee
HungryHungryHaruspex = Jules Andre
Formerly Sentimental = Spiritus Mundi
Gusterrhoids = Justin_Bailey
Moridwon (Hamlet) = Hamlet
No Use For A Name = Retrovertigo
The Great Old Ones = Ol’Gaffer
Exploding Pancakes = SenorBeef
Nine Inch Neils = Really Not All That Bright
Peteys = Jules’ friend from off the boards
Warner’s Brothers = dalej42
I’m going to show you a really excellent resource that will help you get acclimated. Fantasypros has dynasty rankings and rookie rankings which should give you a pretty good idea on how the value differs between redraft and dynasty. There’s a lot more dynasty content available now than when we started. When this league started there was basically none and we were making it up as we went. Our first years were wild.
Anything essential I’m forgetting? Feel free to mention rules or give advice.
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Rookies, players that were cut, and free agents from last season are all available to draft. Basically, anyone not on a team when the draft starts.
19 keepers would be a great start. You’d end up with the 1.02, 1.03, 1.09, 2.02, 3.02, 4.02. If you think you’ll be ready to start the draft by tomorrow, we can start tomorrow. We can give you some extra time during the draft to research who you want for 1.02 and 1.03 if you need it. There’s generally a 12 hour maximum to make a draft pick but most picks come in quicker than that, but since you’re new, started late, and have two picks in a row it wouldn’t be a problem if you took a long time to make 1.02 and 1.03.
Thanks everyone for all the feedback. I’ll finalize my list by tomorrow noon and publish it. I don’t think it will be a problem to make 1-02 and 1-03 quickly; seems pretty clear to me who will be available there.
Excellent. In that case, we can start the draft tomorrow at noon eastern
Retro acknowledged he’d be getting his cuts in this afternoon which leaves him and @Really_Not_All_That_Bright as the managers who haven’t turned in a cut list yet. Please get that finalized by tomorrow morning. RNATB hasn’t been around for the last 10 days on the boards, so I’ll send him an e-mail reminder.
Thanks for bearing with us, everyone, both with my late start, the rules discussion, and the Omni stuff. Looks like we’re back on track.
Draft results will remain current as data is added, you can always come back to that link. There’s a button at the top to switch between pick view and team view.
For now, the information about cuts is entered into the draft results, but trades won’t be executed until I have everyone’s cut lists. Ellis Dee posted the actual order of the first 3 rounds up thread including trades. Double check your keepers, I have to enter a few hundred players so it’s easy for me to slip up.
No Use For A Name
Cuts:
Jacob Cowling WR SF
Dyami Brown WR WAS
Kirk Cousins QB LV
Jalen Milroe QB SEA
Bengals DEF CIN
Should give me 3 picks
Welcome Wilson.
Been a minute since those baseball fantasy teams.
I don’t like to do this because it’s unfair, but realistically RNATB’s cuts are not going to factor into the first 5 draft picks, so we can go ahead with our plan to start the draft today in about 4 hours whether RNATB gets his cuts in or not, and hopefully he’ll be back by the time his 1.06 pick comes up. I really hope we’re not dealing with two absences here, though his posts coming just 11 days ago suggest he’s probably just been busy/inattentive. Hopefully.
Ideally Wilson gets his cuts in before the draft starts, but even if not, he’ll have to get it in before the 1.02 pick. So whatever happens, Dale can go ahead and make the 1.01 pick at noon eastern.
I mention this every year - it is perfectly reasonable to take a few hours if you have active trade discussion when your pick comes up, but please start putting out trade feelers before the pick is on the clock if you might be interested in someone who could be available at that pick. I want to avoid people using the entire 12 hour window to say “open to trade offers” and waiting the whole duration even if there are no trade talks in the works.
And I know this bugs some of you, but I will be looser on enforcing timing rules earlier in the draft, because the cost of a skipped pick can be much bigger. If someone doesn’t get who they want high in the first round, they may hold a grudge over it for years, and each pick is more pivotal to that team’s future. As the draft progresses and each pick becomes less and less important, we’ll be more strict about the 12 hour maximum pick and encouraging people to make faster picks. Because we’re starting relatively earlier before the season than we usually do, I think we’ll have plenty of time. We often have slow periods every draft to much grumbling, but then also have periods where we crank out a whole round in a day.
The rule we’ve always worked with is that we’ll give some warnings, possibly an extension, but say “if the pick is not made by X time, the next drafter gets to make their pick” and then we have a minimum 2 hour cooldown after every pick so a bunch of people can’t rush to make their picks before the skipped drafter gets back to make their pick. And the drafter that was skipped can come back at any time and make their pick. They cannot retroactively take a pick that was made after they were skipped, those players are off the board, but they can jump in and take anyone that’s still available.
Remembering the return players fad always makes me happy. We all KNEW it was a terrible idea to chase and we all did it anyway. That’s why this league is the best.
Welcome to the league @Wilson! I hope you enjoy it.
Keeping:
Jayden Daniels, QB, Was
Caleb Williams, QB, Chi
Quinshon Judkins, RB, Cle
Travis Etienne Jr., RB, NO
Bhayshul Tuten, RB, Jax
Jaydon Blue, RB, Dal
Trevor Etienne, RB, Car
Brashard Smith, RB, KC
Marvin Harrison Jr., WR, Ari
Alec Pierce, WR, Ind
Jalen Coker, WR, Car
Khalil Shakir, WR, Buf
Pat Bryant, WR, Den
Tre’ Harris, WR, LAC
Darnell Mooney, WR, NYG
Jake Ferguson, TE, Dal
Evan McPherson, K, Cin
Chiefs, DEF, KC
Raiders, DEF, LV
Cuts:
Justin Fields, QB, KC
Will Howard, QB, Pit
Jarquez Hunter, RB, LAR
Ricky Pearsall, WR, SF
Andrei Iosivas, WR, Cin
Cole Kmet, TE, Chi
Darren Waller, TE, Car
Should leave me with 6 draft picks, I believe.
The draft has officially begun. @dalej42 is on the clock at 1.01.
Putting out trade feelers for Davante Adams and DK Metcalf.
Chimere Dike was the 15th scoring WR in our league last year. He outscored Tet McMillan, Drake London and CeeDee Lamb.
I love this league.
Can we just give @dalej42 Jeremiah Love and move on?