Yeah, seems fine to me, you didn’t gain anything by it and it was pretty much right at the deadline.
Two trades to announce: I trade my 1.04 pick to Jules for his 1.11 and 2.11
I also trade Kelvin Benjamin to Stringer for Tyler Eifert, straight up.
Thanks, dale! Moving up as I see a player I wanted starting to slide a bit. I’m taking Derrick Henry with the 4th pick.
1.01 Ezekiel Elliott, RB, Dal
1.02 Laquon Treadwell, WR, Min
1.03 Kenneth Dixon, RB, Bal
1.04 Derrick Henry, RB, Ten
1.05
1.06
1.07
1.08
1.09
1.10
1.11
1.12
Varlos is up, pm sent.
I love how you guys always take RBs high so that the Antonio Browns and Odell Beckhams slide to me later. 
Since I always make the playoffs and draft bottom 4 and no one ever trades with me I haven’t been able to get my hands on a running back in 6 or 7 years. The 2nd tier running backs go before some of the first tier WRs. I end up feeling like I have to grab the guys who fell who were top-5 prospects. I end up having like 7 WR1/WR2 players with 4 WR slots to start them in.
Same. Weird how we are always near the top too…
Normally, I’d agree with you guys. But this season has a glorified possession receiver on a run-first team going as the “consensus #2,” as mentioned previously. It’s a down year for receivers. Since I paid literally nothing to move up, I’m happy to take the best prospect at the most valuable spot.
Oh, I forgot to bring something up. In previous years, there was an impromptu “rule” about trades having to have equal picks going each way, since everyone has to leave the draft with 25 players.
I suggest that I take dale’s kicker to even the swap, with the caveat that he is returned to dale after the draft (through waivers or commish swap). The trade then has equal players, and I don’t get free value that nobody thought of during trade negotiations. I might be missing something. Would that work?
Speaking of the equal trade rule… I know it is a necessity, but I think it removes some value of possible trades. Especially of later round trades. It seems a better option would be to just require a dropping of a player or the addition from waiver wire after all is said and done.
The rule about balanced trades was for future draft picks, but in practice it leaves us in a similar spot. dale is going to have to drop another player or forfeit his last pick (4.4) to make room, and Jules is set to exit the draft with 24 plus placeholder pick.
My pick might take a while, I’m heading out the door and will have to make my decision from my phone. Still interested in offers to move back or out.
Alright, talked to a few owners, got one very fair offer to move back, but as I look at it there’s just a huge cliff in my rankings after the the next three players, and if all of them were gone I have no idea what I’d do. So, with a little regret, I’m just going to stand pat and take…
1.05 Corey Coleman, WR - Cle
Clearly I needed a WR, and I’m happy Coleman fell to me here, but judging by the rosters of the guys after me it sure looked like there was about to be a run on them, and I just couldn’t be confident in getting a guy I liked if I slid back. Of course, not that I say that, 3 of the next 4 will be RB/QB and I’ll feel like an asshole.
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RNATB** is on the clock.
An updated copy & paste with the draft order for the first two rounds and the trades. Draft results page is updated. Note that Jules now has a placeholder pick (Joe Webb) in the 7th Round after his trade with dale.
1.01 Ezekiel Elliott, RB, Dal - RetroVertigo
1.02 Laquon Treadwell, WR, Min - Petey
1.03 Kenneth Dixon, RB, Bal - Ellis Dee
1.04 Derrick Henry, RB, Ten - Jules Andre
1.05 Corey Coleman, WR, Cle - VarlosZ
1.06 RNATB
1.07 Omniscient
1.08 Stringer
1.09 SenorBeef
1.10 Hamlet
1.11 furt
1.12 VarlosZ
2.1 RetroVertigo
2.2 Petey
2.3 Ellis Dee
2.4 VarlosZ
2.5 RNATB
2.6 Jules Andre
2.7 Omniscient
2.8 Stringer
2.9 dalej42
2.10 Hamlet
2.11 dalej42
2.12 dalej42
Trades
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Jules Andre gets
1.04 [RB Derrick Henry]
dalej42 gets
1.11
2.11
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Stringer gets
WR Kelvin Benjamin
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dalej42** gets
TE Tyler Eifert
If anyone likes Devante Parker better than what’s left of this year’s draft, I’m willing to move him. He started to bloom at the end of last year. I’ve got too many WRs and I fear I’m going to find myself in a situation where I can’t justify not taking a fallen WR in this one, I don’t know what to do. But I’d move Parker for a draft pick or a young RB with some upside or a QB I like.
After the draft, dale will have 26 players including his kicker. If we placeholder that kicker to you now, dale will end the draft with 25, then when you return the kicker to him he’ll have to drop someone to make room. So why doesn’t dale just send the player he’ll drop to you now instead of his kicker?
It’s worth noting that this is why trades should be balanced…because the end result is that they have to be, regardless.
By our previous way of handling things, Dale would just be out his last pick, I think. Jules would get a placeholder player to end the draft with 25. The deal probably should’ve been Jules’ 1st and 2nd for Dale’s first and last pick. Or… second to last, actually, since I own Dale’s last pick this year as part of our swap.
Which brings up another issue - in the event that two players are in the position of a “and X’s last pick” to even out a trade, I guess the second trade of that type would get the guy’s 2nd to last pick? ie Dale traded his last pick to me last year, so he would’ve had to have given Jules his second to last pick this year.
It can get kind of complicated.
That’s functionally equivalent to (though not completely the same as) including your last pick to even it out.
You’re overthinking this part. What you’re calling dale’s last pick isn’t his pick at all…it’s yours. What you’re calling dale’s second to last pick is his last pick.
Well there are 2 things we can do with the Dale/Jules swap. We can say Dale now has more draft picks than empty slots and make his last pick vanish, or we can add an implicit “Jules gets Dale’s last pick” (which he isn’t using any way).
But I didn’t trade for Dale’s 5th round pick, I traded for his last pick. And if we implicitly allowed the swap I mentioned, then Jules would also be getting “Dale’s last pick” - I was wondering how that would be resolved. I guess Jules would get second-to-last since we already knew I had Dale’s last.
This could also come up if someone were to trade their first rounder and second rounder away to other people. We’d have to have an order for deciding the “last pick” thing. I guess the simplest is that the first such trade gets last pick, second gets second to last pick, etc.
In any case, we should’ve clarified what the deal was when Jules and Dale made that trade. Does it follow pre-draft rules and need to balance out, or does it follow the rules we used to have before mandatory balancing where one player finishes the draft with 24 players + token drop player and the other loses their last draft pick because their second to last fills their team to 25?
Have a separate issue to raise. I had Ronnie Hillman on my keeper list, but he’s showing as available. Can we correct that now?
We’re 9 hours into the 12 hour window and we need to be mindful of picking up the pace. If you aren’t going to be around when it’s your time to draft, send Varlos as PM labelled “picks for [pick]” or whatever and he’ll open it and do your preferences in order when your time comes.
Also, if you send a pick list to VarlosZ, you might consider using spoiler tags. I believe I did this a couple years ago. Something like:
This is my first pick, no question, feel free to log it immediately:first pick
If the first pick is off the board, I can’t decide between these two. If my clock runs out, flip a coin:first guy / second guy
If all three are gone, just settle for:crappy pick