Favre hasn’t avoided injuries during his streak, or even broken fingers. He once played a whole season with a busted thumb on his throwing hand. It’s not that he hasn’t been hurt. He’s just always played through it.
As for building a team, if you’re talking about Favre in his prime, I’ll take him over anybody.
You know the great thing about Brett Favre? He has so much fun playing the game. He’s like a kid out there.
Oh give me a fucking break. When Brett comes to Lambeau to get his number retired then all the feel good stuff can be discussed and he canbe cheered. BUt he came back to Lmabeau as memebr of the Vikings with the sole reason to beat the Packers. He came into Lambeau as the ENEMY, inot just any ENEMY but the hated purple. In an important division game. So save me the heartbreak for all of the booing Brett got. I mean seriously, they were supposed to cheer the guy? Fuck that bullshit, he was a Packer he is now a Viking so fuck him for now.
Ah, I fondly remember the bi-annual Bay of Pigs games in the NFC Norris. Good times.
That would not bother me in the slightest. Jon Gruden would be the “smart money” pick for the Packers, but my out-of-the box choice is Edgar Bennett.
Damn you for making me agree with you! shakes fist
:dubious: John? John Madden? Is that you?
I’m facing a bit of a dilemma, meself. Sometimes you’re the windshield, sometimes you’re the bug, and I can live with not winning the division. I mean, not really, but it happens.
But last night I got to thinking: If the Packers sweep the Bears (possible), and the Bears sweep the Vikings (possible but not likely), and all three finish with the same record (plausible if the first two happen), the head-to-head tiebreakers drop out. So now I have to decide whether to concede the Packers again being one of the most talented non-playoff teams in football, or suppressing my gag reflex and cheering for the Bears, knowing that it will probably be for naught. FML.
Oooh. I will never forgive you for that one.
Gruden would be an excellent choice for any team that already has a quarterback, such as the Packers. He is the worst possible choice for any team with questions at quarterback, because he’ll sign four as free agents, draft four more, and wind up starting the 29-year-old practice squad QB in the end.
I bet he could do great things with Rex Grossman, though (and no, I’m not kidding).
Favre’s stats in his two games against the Green Bay Packers:
2 W
0 L
515 yards
7 TD
0 INT
0 sacks
Combined Passer Rating: 135.9
I think those INT and sack numbers have to be especially frustrating to Packer fans.
The 2Ws and 7TDs look pretty painful, too.
That said, Rodgers was incredible in the 2nd half of both games, and had he been able to actually throw a pass on half of the 14 plays in which he was sacked, this thread might have a different tone.
Yeah, that’s the thing. It’s not like the Packers made the wrong choice at QB. I’m not mad at Favre for wanting to keep playing, and I don’t expect him to turn down $12MM to spare my feelings. But I wouldn’t trade Rodgers for Favre.
I would trade Big Mac for Chilly in a New York minute, though.
That’s funny. I’d trade Chilly for a left over tootsie roll on the side of the road of a parade route from last year that’s been driven over so many times the wrapper and candy have been permanently intermixed.
I wouldn’t trade him for MM, though.
Go check out earlier in the thread when I said MM was the problem. So many folks single out Ted Thompson, and yes he has made mistakes. But in my opinion the Packers problems are mostly coaching: The lack of discipline leading to penalties, the poor coaching job on special teams and the offensive and defensive lines. The problem is not that we don’t have Favre, the problem is that we have Mike McCarthy.
While I agree that Chilly is an unexciting personality, and often a maddeningly conservative play caller, hasn’t he quietly built pretty good team over the last couple of years? He’s drafted well (AD, Percy Harvin, Sidney Rice), he got us Jared Allen out of free agency. His record has improved year by year, and now with the addition of Favre, the Vikings are off to one of their best seasons since '98, and are legit contenders for the NFC crown and the Superbowl.
As boring as Childress is, and as pedestrian a tactician as he sometimes appears to be, I think he’s done a better than decent job of putting a team together that’s capable of making a run.
In my mind, two play s really stick out.
One was the Jolly penalty, unbelievably stupid and awarded 4 points and the early lead to the Vikes. The second was the Harvin return right after the Packers had cut the lead to four points, to I think the GB 38. The Packers had a ton of momentum and that just killed it all, IMO.
I am not saying those two plays were the deciding factors or that the Packers w2ould have won if only. It is just thes two kind of stick out in my mind as a microcosm of what the Packers did wrong.
The three stooges defense on Harvin’s 51 yard catch and run (after a laser pass from Favre) was pretty big too.
Credit for those moves should be going to Rick Spielman, no?
Agreed - these are all organizational moves that can’t solely be pinned on Childress.
The Packers Triple Collision With No Tackle reminded me of the Vikes’ D on this run by Mike Vick:
I was thinking of just that play.
Chilly had nothing to do with those moves?
He was the one who decided to give Favre that one last phone call during preseason. That was a good move.
He at least hasn’t fucked up anything with the talent he’s acquired.
I’m not saying he’s Belichick, but he’s not Marty Mornhinweg either.
I had blocked that play from my memory.
Unfortunately, it’s only the second greatest QB scramble to ever happen to the Vikings. The best is still this immortal run by Steve Young. That’s the one that still haunts my dreams.
You’re the Vikings fan - you tell us. What I do know is that he’s wholly responsible for offensive playcalling, and only partially responsible for talent evaluation.
One thing that I don’t quite get is how the Vikings are not in salary cap trouble. They’ve spent an awful lot of money on free agents over the last 5-odd years (Winfield, Fred Smoot, Pat Williams, Jared Allen, Madieu Williams, Darren Sharper) and have made nearly as many pricey offensive free agent signings (Berrian, Favre, Steve Hutchinson, Chester Taylor).
I thought for a while that maybe Dan Snyder had secretly bought the team. However, according to this, they’re pretty much smack in the middle in terms of cap space. Are all those contracts loaded in the back end, or something? Or is Spielman just really good as fiddling with the cap hit numbers?
That’s the one I chose to block from memory. Thanks.:smack: