Serious topic...I need some advice

Been a while since I’ve been here, prior to this weekend. Anyway, here’s the deal. MANY years ago, the year after my parents divorced, my moher attempted suicide by taking an entire bottl of prescription sleeping pills. She chickened out afterwards, though, went to the hospital, and survived. Went to a few years of therapy, too.
Fast forward a few years. In three days, she will be 51. My dad died two years ago, but she had never moved on from him, even though she remarried. The year that he died, she had to undergo treatment for breast cancer. A lumpectomy was done, and she’s cancer-free now. That SAME year, her youngest son graduated from college. She became a grandmother, which she loves. But, for the first time in 33 years (from oldest child to youngest), she wasn’t “needed” as a mother anymore.
Her marriage to my father was very submissive. He wouldn’t allow her to work, no matter how tight the money got. He’d always take another job. She also wasn’t really allowed to have friends, or a life outside of the house.
Her husband tells me that she’s been drinking. More than she should. She uses rum or vodka to wash down painkillers, muscle relaxers, nerve pills, and sleeping pills. It’s an every night thing. She hardly gets out of bed on her days off of work. She’s always sick, or at least feeling bad.
She recently fell on some ice and hurt her back. My sister-in-law was helping her get a bath afterwards, stepped outside to smoke a cigarette. While she was outside, my mother tried to drown herself in the tub. Her husband was home. My brother and his wife were here. Mom HAD to know she wouldn’t succeed, right? Too many people around. So it seems to be a cry for attention. I think she’s feeling useless because her kids are all grown. She married my dad at 17. Had her first child at 18. he missed that whole period in her 20’s where most people go out and get the partying out of their system. Her and Dad were married for about 16 years. After the divorce, she devoted herself to raising three kids.
My older brother wants to have an intervention with her. I think this has got the potential for disaster.
You’re not allowed to question my mother on anything. A few years ago, by brothers came to me because they were worried about her meeting people off of the internet singles sites, sleeping with them that day, etc. It just seemed to anti-her that we thought we’d talk to her. Not to tell her to qut. Just to be careful. As what typically happens, my little brother said nothing. My older brother, whose idea this was, waited until the subject came up, then left the room. He doesn’t have the balls to oppose her on ANYTHING. My mother then announced to me that, if she “wanted to go out and fuck the entire town, it’s none of [my] goddamn business.” In my ENTIRE life, my mother has said the F-word to me a total of 2 times. Honestly, until the first time, I didn’t think she knew it.

So you see how defensive she can be about anything.

About the drinking: As I said, it’s an every night thing. She says she can’t sleep without it. I went a week between seeing her. She has went through TWO fifths in a week. She HAS to have a bottle around at all times. She goesw to great lengths to never let her kids see her doing it, though. There’s a history of alcoholism in the family. On her side. And she knows it.

Her husband has the same amount of cojones as my older brother. He goes out and buys it, because it’s easier to do that and stay in the house. When they married, he moved into her house. She threatens to kick him out of it almost daily, from what I hear. Especially if he tells her ‘no.’

I’m of the opinion that any kind of intervention is going to be seen with even more suspicion, resistance, and feelings of betrayal than I imagine most people go through.

Tonight, I’m going to try to get her to TALK to me. Just to see if I can get her to open up. I can’t see us pulling off an intervention. Without a professional, it’s be like any other time we’ve tried talking to her. With a professional, her husband (who, by the way, wants to be nowhere NEAR the place when this happens) is going to come across as sneaky, underhanded, and a tattletale for going behind her back like this.

Any advice?

Oh, God, sorry. I have a sort of similar situation (the suicide attempts and passive aggressive wackiness and overall drama by a mom with a similar life program, but with prescription drugs rather than alcohol) and while I have no advice and am in denial and hiding myself ( the last interventiony thing was run by her sisters who live closer and I was glad I was not there), I wish you the best of luck. Remember your boundaries-- however it turns out it was her life and her responsibility ultimately and you can’t blame yourself. You can help, but it isn’t YOUR problem.

Oh, and also very good luck with your talk with her. Every time I have really gotten the nerve and will up to act like sane adults with my mom and face reality I have been amazed at how irrational and emotional and just plain guilt-inducing she insisted on being, and have almost lost hope of ever having a really open and healthy relationship with her.

Is there any way you could talk to her doctor? He/She needs to know about your mother mixing the pills with the booze.

Wish I had more to offer - what a difficult situation. Just remember that there’s nothing you can do if she doesn’t want to change her behavior. Offer to help, but don’t beat yourself up because you can’t make it all better. Easy to say, hell to do.

I wish you strength in dealing with all of this.

Oh, man, that’s a tough one. It really sounds like you guys could use professional assistance, but that there’s no easy way for that to happen. My hunch is that if you try to do an intervention, she will feel like she’s being backed into a corner and will shut down or flee.

Maybe a suicide hotline or even AA could give you some suggestions, or recommend someone who can?

Good luck…

What’s involved in an intervention? I think I have a vague inkling but can someone explain the nitty-gritties?

Okay. First things first. I’d suggest you look into Al-Anon for yourself. Alcoholism and drug addiction are very difficult for the family as well as for the alcoholic, and a good group can really help you deal with this aspect of it.

Second, I think your family (with or without your mother) needs to schedule a visit with her doctor, and lay it out for him. Tell him what you posted here. Tell him everything. It also sounds like there are some depression and grief issues going on here, as well. The doctor can make appropriate referrals for mental health resources, including a counselor who has experience in these areas.

AA/NA and rehab won’t be much help until she’s ready to admit she has a problem. However, if she’s a danger to herself or to another, then a call to 911 is appropriate. She can be admitted to an inpatient facility for a certain period of time to be assessed.

Keep us posted, OK?

Robin

I am sorry about all of this.

You are right, your mom is crying out for help.

All I can suggest is some kind of intervention. By doing nothing, it sounds like nothing will get better, and probably, as the hole inside of her gets bigger and her dependancy to booze mounts it will be harder to reason with her. Doing nothing is not an option.

It sounds like she is treating her husband like the way she use to be treated. The Battered and Abused with no control turn it around on someone who is more helpless than them. It is a vicious cycle.

Doing some form of intervention / family counseling/ AA thing she may close up or she may not. * It is a risk worth taking.* She will probably be shocked, deny any problem and be hostile, but in quiet moments, she will probably realize just how much you love her. By doing nothing, it will not go away.

The only way to change someone is through love and encouragement, but *they have to want do the change themselves *.

Talk to some professionals, even attend some AA meetings yourself with your siblings and her husband. Your mother is much too young to destroy the rest of her life like this. The first half of her life was crappy because of someone else and her inability to rise above, start afresh and stand on her own; if she continues on as she is, she will make the second half of her life even worse and she will do it all to herself.

Her husbands lack of a spine is only hurting her, but that is probably why she married him, if he can’t stand up to her for what is in her best interest, he cannot face the mirror.

I wish there were easy answers, but as we grow old, we learn that there are no easy answers.

I wish you strength and peace during this time.

Good luck.

Superdude, I can’t give any advice that hasn’t been given, but if you need an ear, e-mail or call me, huh?

Thanks, Gundy. How ya been? How 'bout them Cubbies?

What everyone else said, get your family to a family councilor. And take care of yourself while you’re at it. Solo counciling to get you through this, and lots of bubble baths and warm pajamas. Or the Superdude equilivent. :slight_smile:

Regarding Ms.Robyn’s advise, though: would a doctor discuss a patient with a non-medical professional without the patient present? Isn’t that in direct conflict with doctor-patient confidentiality?

Not necessarily. Most doctors will talk to the family if there is a concern about that person’s well-being. They won’t usually share information about the patient, but a responsible physician will take input from the family into consideration when managing the patient’s care, because the family might have information that the patient won’t tell the doctor about.

Robin

MsRobyn’s right- the best place to start would be the person who is, in effect, her supplier. Her PCP won’t go into detail, certainly, but they should take what you tell them seriously, especially if they’re at all aware of your mom’s history.

Now, where I am you have two options. You can wait until your mom has another passive suicide attempt (like the bathtub) or takes a bunch of pills with alcohol, and take her to the nearest emergency room to get a psych eval (in which case, if you lived near me, I’d show up in a nice lavendar lab coat to chat with you and her), the result of which would likely be her ER doc signing a 2013 on her to get her into a crisis unit for a few days; OR, and only if you’re really serious, you can go to a judge and have her declared mentally unfit- the judge can then 2013 her.

I don’t recommend an intervention, if only because 1) you aren’t trained to do such things and as a result shouldn’t take that burden upon yourself; and 2) it seems you’d be the only one doing the talking, and that’s easy for her to dismiss.

You know where to get a hold of me- use the info if you need to. {{hugs}}

-BK

[kambuckta puts her hand up sheepishly again from the back of the classroom]…

What’s an intervention?

My impression is that an intervention consists of a group of people confronting the target person re his or her problem (usually drug adiction or alcoholism). The theory is that if a whole group of friends and family members present a united front, all saying “you really have a problem” and citing examples to prove their point, the target’s state of denial may crumble, and he or she may face up to the existance of the problem.

Is an intervention ‘facilitated’ by a professional, or is it just the family/friends giving some much needed advice?

I"m sorry this is happening. Be there for Her. You can’t be responsible for another person’s actions, but you can try to help as your friends above have suggested. Concern is the first step.

Jake

I would also venture to guess that she is seriously, seriously depressed. She needs treatment for depression to go along with her alcoholism and prescription drug abuse, in my opinion. Again none of it will succeed if she doesn’t want her life to change.

I’m also very, very sorry that your mother, your family and you are going through this. Superdude, I wish you the best of luck and all the strength in the world in dealing with your situation.

I’ve been like crap…as usual. The Cubbies? How BOUT them, baby?! Dusty Baker…I never thought I’d see the day the Cubs’d get a professional manager. Freaky.

When she threatens suicide CALL 911! She will be taken to the ER for an eval. If needed she will be placed on a 72 hour hold(a 5150 in CA). You will be getting her the professional help she is crying out for but is unable to seek on her own.

Hang in there. She needs strong family support to get though this. You and yours will be in my prayers.