Church-based charities…handing out sex bots?
The idea that this would be government funded is impossible. But it’s more probable than that.
In all seriousness, if this was going to happen at all, it would be via insurance companies. The fed mandates that insurance companies have to foot the bill and then walks away whistling.
Well, that or we just make losers pay for their own toys. Speaking as a loser, I can say I might buy one if it also cleans toilets.
Why would it? If the robots seemed a better option, doesn’t that mean the remaining men need to compete with robots for women as well as other men?
There’s no reason why women couldn’t use a robot as well. I mean even all the fat/old women that incel wouldn’t touch need love too. <sarcasm>
Considering how important it is to churches that they have a say in their members’ sex lives, why not? Maybe then their vaunted leaders wouldn’t have to sneak around on their spouses to get laid; it’s not cheating when it’s not alive!
If you can’t tell, does it matter?
In fiction, androids (regardless if they are built for having sex with or are just designed to pass for human) are indistinguishable from humans because they are portrayed by attractive human actors. I think in reality, it would probably look like a Madame Tussauds creation and move like an animatronic Real Doll. IOW, you would not convincingly believe you were having sex with a real woman.
I’ve noticed something when I dived into the world of doll owners. Most of them are happy with their purchase long term, but some of them aren’t. What separates those two groups is their attitude toward their synthetic companions.
The ones who regard their doll as only a sex object, something to take out of the closet, hump for a few minutes to orgasm and then put it back don’t seem to be particularly satisfied long term.
The happy ones are the ones who regard their doll with genuine affection. They are “dating” or even “married” to their doll. They give her a name, invent a story of how the two met. They cuddle with them, kiss them good night, talk to them. It’s like they are doing live action role playing.
I can’t say I would be shocked that the people who view it as a sex toy come to the realization that they just spent a ton of money just to have an orgasm.
As for the other group, if they are happy, non-deluded, and engaged with the world, I’ve got no issue. Are they happy, non-deluded, and engaged with the world?
I still don’t think the dolls should be given out in a SNAP (food stamps) equivalent “Supplemental Sexual Assistance Program.”
My general impression, admittedly by reading lots of anecdotal reports, is yes. But since these dolls run in the $4000 to $7000 range, that creates a barrier to entry that’s going to filter out most of the truly dysfunctional people. So unless they inherited a bunch of money, they have to be able to hold down a job and have enough personal discipline to save up that money and pay it in a lump sum.
Seems like the role playing would be just as effective with a 20 dollar stuffed bear.
Telling women what “all men find attractive” is even more offputting than that.
I think what incels want isn’t sex. If that was what they wanted, they could try to hook up with less conventionally attractive women. Or they could masturbate. They want the boost in social status that they think they will get from having a partner that other people find attractive. I suppose sex robots could actually fill this niche in some subcultures- people are admired for the kind of car they drive or the kind of TV they have, admiring someone for having a fancy sex robot isn’t that different from that. But the desirable sex robots are likely to be expensive, so this isn’t going to work for the incels who are chronically broke. If everybody has the same sex robot, as you would expect to happen if the government or a charity were giving them out, they’re not going to be a status symbol.
Sure you are entitled to sex. You’ve got hands, don’t you? (And I imagine men who don’t have hands figure out some way to masturbate) What you’re not entitled to is sex with another person.
I don’t understand why you think my response was unhelpful. You agree that a sex doll is not the answer to OP’s problem. What remedy, if any, do you suggest?
OP is 33 years old and hasn’t had a girlfriend for 8 years. I used to be far more inept socially even than I am now, but even I had much better success than that.
Nudging him to make incremental changes in his approach is not going to work. He needs a major change — a Shock!
Taking a longish vacation to try to get out of his rut is the suggestion I offer sincerely. (It doesn’t have to be a “sex tourism” holiday; in fact that might be counter-productive.) I don’t know if the vacation should be a solo trip through desert or forest introspecting, or a frolic at the beach with happy young people — but something, in the hope of triggering a change!
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Not the government’s problem. There are people out there in need of food, housing, and medical care. Your need of an orgasm with an expensive toy is waaaaay down on the list.
Lord God almighty, where do I begin? physical attraction = relationship? It is not a causal link. Harry Kissinger may have been the world’s ugliest man when he was dating supermodels. My wife and I are very rarely intimate, because she has endometriosis, and even becoming aroused can cause pain. Immaterial, because I most assuredly am, and feel, loved. Its not the orgasim that makes life worth living. It is sharing life with another. The Sex-bot concept is NOT a solution, it will intensify the problem - which I’ll speculate about after I revisit the basis of adult intimate relationships, since a refresher course seems in order.
First, we become self-aware. If we work at it, we become comfortable with both our strengths, positives, and weaknesses and shortcomings- a right sized image of self. Coming to know and accept our own very human collections of warts and pimples, we can learn to respect another human being of the gender we find attractive for the way they are dealing with their own warts and zits and other not entirely desirable qualities. We bond in a form of mutual respect, and over time we come to meet each other’s needs for human companionship, shared experience, emotional intimacy, then sometimes move on to human to human contact, (cuddling/intimate cuddling) and (possibly) move on to the wild thing. Note a whole lot happens before the “payoff” (I can barely bring myself to type that) in an ADULT relationship.
And where that “other” ranks on the 1-10 scale is entirely meaningless. My partner is 50. I spend all day, every day, working with gorgeous 20-somethings. None of them- in fact, no woman in the world- could get in my pants, no matter how flagrant the offer, no matter how beautiful the flower. My heart has been taken, & plugging into a warm, moist, random orifice without the love (mutually met interlocking sets of needs if you aren’t a fan of romanticism) I have been blessed to experience is about as attractive to me as beastiality.
If the 1-10 scale does matter to you in context of a relationship, I offer you my condolences for being a member of a very exclusive community- the shallowest, most self-centered members of the human race. Again, if we are talking about relationships. If this is all about getting your fair share of “hit and run fun” this thread should be moved to “Adolescent Fantasies”.
The DSMR lists something called “relationship disorder”. It IS actually recognized as a psychological disorder. Here at University, we just call those people engineering students. But if that’s your bug, then go get help. Not doing so is like refusing insulin should that be your need.
But what I am hearing, and I emphasize this is only an opinion- is an epidemic of shame based identity. With guilt, you feel bad about things you’ve DONE. In Shame, you feel bad about who you ARE. NO ONE can stay in that mental/emotional state. It is like trying to balance on a tack. And the single most common defense mechanism reaction to shame is anger, followed by festering resentment, isolation, drug/alcohol abuse, and a profound sense that one is not WORTHY of love- and, since this thread seems to equate zipper=love, not worthy of boinking, either.
Sounds like boinking is being equated to love/caring, and is therefore desperately important so that the “incel” can, at least briefly, think they are actually worthy of …love? of something? That’s one hell of a burden to place on another human being, and I know that I would have exactly zero interest in meeting that need. All these statistical arguments and alpha males and body types and socioeconomic class issues are at best peripheral, and more often utter bullshit. Sure, a woman has some interest in a man’s economic prowess- IF she’s considering someone for the role of being the father of her children, because she has a real genetically driven interest in assuring her babies have the best environment possible. In the modern age, that’s still there, but not as stark as when sabertooths roamed the woods and women couldn’t control their fertility. But if you are in the meeting/first date phase and the other side is considering your suitability to fulfill the FOHC role, RUN, don’t walk, in the other direction, chanting a prayer of gratitude as you go.
If you aren’t experiencing things the way you think they should be, then look within. How can you expect someone else to love and accept you for yourself if YOU can’t love and accept yourself for who you are? Deny this if you wish, but trust this old geezer, it is a definite “the emperor’s new clothes” phenomena. Nothing stands out quite so distinctly as self-hatred. And if someone hates themselves, well, I guess you gotta respect their opinion.
I’ve got a 15 yr old boy who is 6’6" and 250 lb. He can pretty much take whatever he wants from whoever he wants amongst those around him in his age group (and above). But we’ve discussed the fact that he doesn’t “deserve” a girlfriend just because he is breathing.
What will determine if he deserves a girlfriend is what kind of a person he is, and, at some level, what kind of a man he is becoming. As in, “he who conquers himself is greater than the general who conquers the greatest city”. To project the belief that potential mates are making decisions about the who she wants to sleep with (I’m going with the hetro/man in need model for simplicity, but it applies everywhere) based on the parameters I have seen in this thread is a “you don’t have a very high level of respect for women because you honestly believe these are what matters most to them, ergo, you are distinctly misogynist- Q.E.D.”
If you are actually resorting to use of an EPVD (Enhanced Pseudo Vagina Device) or EPPD, you are only reenforcing the isolation/shame/pain. So, if you actually are an “incel”, look within, for it is there that you shall find the truth, and that truth shall set you free. As my dear departed mother was wont to say, “God made them, and he matched them”. Finding that match starts with looking in the mirror.
That’d make them SAPS.
Kinda works… 
I think some of the incel mindset is “grass is greener” thinking. It’s pretty normal to think that your life would be a lot better if you could change just one thing about it. Lots of people think their lives would be a lot better if they had more money, got a better job, lost weight, and all kinds of other things. Thinking like this is especially attractive if you haven’t experienced the thing that you think would make your life better. It’s not too surprising that an incel who has never had a serious relationship or who has never had sex would think that getting a girlfriend is going to make their lives better.
This strikes me as very wise.
Incels are mad at society because they see themselves as failing at an arbitrary game. The girlfriend is only a symbol. It’s normal society they resent. They think themselves mentally superior to the Chads and Stacys and resent that they have success–in the incel’s perception–while the incels do not. A sex robot is not going to alleviate this resentment and delusion. If anything it would exacerbate it.
As for non-incel men who are just incapable of finding a relationship, if an adequate sex robot is ever developed knock yourself out. Hell, If a woman wants a male robot or someone wants a same sex robot, it’s ok. Just don’t use tax dollars for it. There are hungry, sick and homeless people out there who need relief more than you.
Seriously though, I think you will find you have just purchased the worlds most expensive fleshlight.
People also seem to really like being told that their problems aren’t their fault, that their problems are being caused by some Others who are different from them. You can’t get a girlfriend because women are too picky, you can’t get a job because illegal immigrants take all the jobs, that sort of thing.
And yes, the incels do think they’re mentally superior to the Chads, and it can rankle to see someone who you think of as inferior to you succeeding at something you’re not succeeding at.
I think the closest thing to a solution might be to stop stigmatizing people for not having a significant other or for not having sexual experience. Which I think would be a good thing regardless of whether it helps incels or not. How we get that to happen, I haven’t a clue.
I completely agree. I wish virgin shaming wasn’t a thing. But it is, even on this board.
Well, it’s not stupid but it’s also not wise. It’s generic unthoughtful wisdom. The fatty crowd hasn’t spun off multi-murderers.
And frankly, “grass is greener on the other side” is a silly phrase in this discussion. Life is better with regular sex, less weight and a better job. Of course, there’s more to it but all those things directly and obviously make your life better.