You know, it would certainly explain his extreme attraction to his pubescent gymnast daughter- he’s into twinks and is going for the next best thing.
He’s picturing them all working the pole.
Interesting point. Four times in 2 1/2 years.
I had written the following before reading your post, I’ll go ahead and post this, with further comments on the bottom.
On the other thread, people were speculating on exactly what was wrong with Shaggy. IIRC, the very respected poster Spice Weasel was guessing Narcissistic Personality Disorder, Lamia came in with antisocial personality disorder. Others suggest sociopathy. Of course misogyny is mixed up with any of them. Once this PIT thread was opened, it allowed for the speculation of simply trolling.
One has to wonder why a presumably grown man would continue blatantly lying despite the vast number of people directly telling him that they don’t believe it.
I have no idea. Trolling? The fascination with view counts would be taken at that. A pathological liar who has no off switch?
Does anyone have more experience with Asperger’s?
I just saw an interview with someone who has Asperger’s and was struck with his inability to empathize with others, as well as a compete inability for introspection, as well as totally outlandish stories. What struck me about the stories was not only how outlandish they are, but also the odd habit of far too many details about trivial items as well as a complete inability to separate large lies from small ones. It’s like what someone said about Trump, that he lies about stupid things as readily as larger ones and lies when the truth would be easier.
There must be some sort of inability for such people to comprehend that the listener or reader is actually engaging in a mental processing to assess the likelihood of the veracity of the statements.
Hence, the over reliance of oddly specific, yet completely unverifiable anecdotes as a substitution for a reasoned answer. The interviewee with Asperger’s shared this characterization with Shag. It seems that pathological liars will stick with their absurdities no matter how much direct proof is offered to contradict their story.
Shaggy’s latest lame attempt to address his admission of lying is yet another example. Memories fade would be a better excuse if the story were increasing in exaggeration rather than the apparent opposite. That the initial accounts including an explicit admission of guilt of sexual assault would give that telling greater weight than the retreat under fire. Or it would if both accounts weren’t simply appropriating an urban legend.
The only question is why would someone continue to lie to this extent? Troll, pathological liar, mentally ill or some combination of the three.
OK, back to the present. I don’t know. My younger brother is bipolar and I have a friend who is, but neither of them exhibit the same sort of pathological lying.
The sheer joy in view count could be from the bipolar as well as the high number of posts. Who knows? Unfortunately, there simply isn’t any credibility left so any kind of explanation from the person in question isn’t trustworthy.
At any rate, one would hope for the sake of his children that he gets the kind of help he needs. I also grew up as the child of a severely mentally ill father and I don’t envy his daughters.
I keep telling you, I am not a troll and not a liar anymore than anyone else is and probably a lot less. I know you will never believe it but that is reality. The real problem is that I am a thrill seeker and have issues with compulsion but I can keep them in check whenever necessary (i.e., at work or in social situations). That causes me to end up in a lot more improbable situations than most other people but I don’t regret them because the fun makes up for all of the heartache. Most people that know me casually think I am a Boy Scout until they really engage me.
I was diagnosed as bipolar many years ago but that was later reversed. I just really hated being married to my ex-wife and it was literally driving me insane. I was trying to do anything I could to work around it and failed repeatedly. Being physically and emotionally abused can break anyone over time. My oldest daughter is going through the same thing now. I learned that I can be broken mentally by someone that is especially good at doing it and I have to deal with that for her as well.
I almost agree with the narcissistic personality disorder claims because I match all of the criteria but it is a mild case if it is true. I am quiet and introverted in person but also quite personable and helpful. I don’t even like attention except for threads like this. I do have the problem as seeing other people as objects just to get what I want except when I like them and then the connection is deep and I will do anything to help them.
If you could see yourself as others see you, you’d be amazed how shallow your shallowness really is.
NOTHING about anything you’ve said about yourself makes you a “thrill seeker”; Insisting on it makes you sound all the more ridiculous.
MUCH of what you’ve said about yourself indicates you have serious pathological and emotional issues.
Wait a second… didn’t Tommy Wiseau claim to be from Louisiana?
Shaggy, are you Tommy Wiseau?
Does she know that?
My personal experience is that people with aspergers prefer not to lie, but do stick with outlandish tales that they concoct that add to the meaning or value of their life.
I have an undergrad degree in psych, and this is accurate. Not only do they tend to repeat the same anecdotes almost (or completely) verbatim, they also tend to include too much detail, and have a tendency to “borrow” experiences from other people’s lives or even from fiction. One thing I find interesting about narcissists who are also pathological liars (which is quite common) is that it’s not uncommon for them to fancy themselves extremely interesting and skilled writers, so they will often write out quite lengthy stories and pass them off as autobiographical. Over time, they accumulate a fairly large body of these stories from which to draw from. Sometimes, you can copy and paste paragraphs from their “autobiographical” stories into Google and find the identical post on another board; that’s a tip-off that you’re dealing with a narcissistic pathological liar.
They also tend to love gossip, and frequently brag about holding grudges and revenge-seeking behavior. Typical revenge-seeking behavior includes malicious lying about others.
I wish. The Room is an awesome movie.
Checks all the boxes.
How does being bipolar fit in? Or is that some sort of fabrication from the past?
I’m certainly not an expert, but I have a casual interest in the subject because I have relatives on the autism spectrum and have met a number of people who I’m pretty sure have Asperger’s syndrome. Shagnasty does not remind me of anyone I’ve ever met or heard of with an autism spectrum disorder. He’s extremely boring and repetitive, but not in the way people on the spectrum tend to be. I’ve never known someone on the spectrum to go on and on about their own greatness the way Shagnasty does.
Boasting and lying are not AFAIK considered characteristic autism spectrum disorders, and many people with autism seem to lack the theory of mind necessary to do so – you can’t attempt to impress or deceive someone unless you’re capable of understanding that other people can hold beliefs that are different from your own. One of my relatives with Asperger’s syndrome has definitely lied to me, but this usually takes the form of flatly denying having done something wrong.
First, ugh.
Second, I’m not a fan of linking shitty online behavior to specific medical disorders, because we don’t have access to Shags in real life, and because it does a disservice to people struggling with real problems (who are very possibly not engaging in shitty online behavior).
I’ve known in my life one extreme, incessant liar - he was so disruptive that I still fear that one day he’ll suddenly get the urge to look up his ol’ friend Maserschmidt - and while he was amazingly narcissistic, he also didn’t have any of the attributes linked to the disorders listed above AFAIK. He was just intensely insecure.
The sad thing is, he’s not completely incorrect. Online dating has been well-documented to cause people to feel they have so many options they’ll never be satisfied; something better is just around the corner, because look at this menu of choices I have right in front of me.
But most people don’t talk about other people as if they’re toys. “I always wanted one of those”? Trolllllll. Before this thread started, he almost could have had an intellectual discussion about the effect online dating has on people’s minds, and whether it’s healthy for our society. If only he weren’t such a fucking asshole.
We live close together so you could see it for yourself if you wanted. I have always liked you online. My online personality doesn’t match my real life one that closely but they are equally valid but I think that is true for a lot of people.
Believe it or not, I am listening to what people are saying although a lot of it is inaccurate but some of it is. I really am addicted to dating sites and that is going to be a disaster in the making but I do it anyway. I can’t resist a good offer. I don’t talk the same way professionally or with family members but I don’t mind sharing my hidden motivations with you fine folks. I will have to address something because I have intimacy issues except with family members and some very close friends. I treat other people like puzzles to solve to get what I want and it usually works. My family is fully aware of this because I can be so cold but I can be among the most caring too for some people. It just isn’t universal.
TLDR - ‘I have bipolar disorder but am in denial b/c I hate the idea of being at all predictable by all other people, as they are beneath me.’
I don’t have bipolar disorder. It was a misdiagnosis that almost killed me very literally many years ago. I may have a mild version of a personality disorder according to what people are saying here. I come by it honestly if it is true. Most of my family is insane in various ways and so is my ex-wife’s family but most of us are still successful. I am one of the stable ones and not going to commit suicide like some of the rest. I am never going to be typical but I have learned how to adapt and really want to continue to improve.
I don’t get depressed anymore because I was freed from slavery (marriage). I feel like one of the luckiest people in the world. Every day is like Christmas morning when I was a child.
Take a drink when Shagnasty says that any personality disorders he may have he “comes by honestly”.
This is a dangerous game according to the stated rules so far. I don’t want Dopers to have to go through alcohol poisoning if I get worked up - honestly. We could lose half the board.