No wonder that guys can get away with so much stupid shit! Women can be stupid.

“Gee, Mr zone, you should know these threads never go well for you.”

“Quiet, you! My knee has me barely able to walk, the lady at the DMV let me think I was going blind in my left eye by not telling me the vision testing machine is broken, and the leads at work are shit so I didn’t make a dime in commissions today. I’m in the mood to complain and complain I will!” :mad:

Cases drawn from my own daughters’ lives.

Case 1: Oldest and her boyfriend have lived together for a couple years. Their lease is up in August, so she’s been looking for another place where they can keep two dogs and three cats. She started telling him about it when he said, “Oh, I just signed a lease in Town X.”

“You signed it without me? And how am I supposed to get to work?”

“It’s just for me. I need some time to think. But we can stay friends and go out sometimes and see what the situation is when my lease is up in a year. I’ll take the dogs we’ve both raised and you can have the cats, but don’t put Kitty in a shelter because she may freak out and die. She nearly did when another cat I had died before I knew you.”

So: A guy who has never been stylish recently dyed his hair and got a hipster haircut. Not all that suspicious behavior by itself, but naturally suspicious people like Wife and I raised a collective eyebrow. He is dangling her along with hints of getting back together so he can keep her on hand for booty calls. They will continue to live together until the lease is up because they “aren’t really breaking up.” He’s taking their dogs and ditching their cats, including an old and fragile one he’s had for many years, without a discussion or a by-your-leave. His apartment hunting must have started weeks ago but he didn’t mention it and let her continue to look for a place for both of them. This is what pissed her off. The rest she’s taking philosophically. I think that’s called “being a doormat.”

Case 2: Thing One (she and yet another daughter are twins and we named them Thing One and Thing Two when we saw their ultrasounds) was sorta seeing this guy quite a bit older, then he got a girlfriend who moved into his house in Town Y. Thing One and the girlfriend get along very well (but not like THAT, she says) and he has suggested she move into his spare bedroom and keep his girlfriend company when he’s on business trips. And she can stay for free and he can put her through college and wouldn’t it all be marvy? (Is this scalable? :dubious: I guess not. Imagine it much bigger.) She thinks this is a good idea. :rolleyes:

So: he’d be making a substantial financial commitment with no strings attached. It could happen, and I might believe it if I were a mooncalf like she, but suspicious ol’ Wife and I see it instead as a not-the-least-bit-clever way to keep his next girlfriend parked in the spare bedroom for when things don’t work out with his present one.

Wife and I are experienced in the Ways of Love and tried to raise them with a healthy skepticism of the motivations of others, so we can’t help but be embarrassed by those two. It’s as if the moment a cute guy claps his hands their brains switch off. And yeah, I know guys [del]can be[/del] are idiots, but how are they supposed to get smarter when they can get away with anything that enters their pea brains?

Your daughters aren’t stupid, they’re just in grip of powerful biological drives that short circuit their reason.

There’s also a substantial amount of personal vanity involved. Their personal vanity will not allow them to consider men who are less charming, less good looking, less well off, less dominant.

Sure, there are guys, probably plenty of guys, who will court them properly, treat them with kindness and respect. But none of these guys are as sexy as the ones who treat them in a sketchy if not downright abusive way.

Did you drop either one of them on her head when they were babies? That has got to be some of the worse decision making I’ve seen in awhile and I am regularly in contact with people who think selling meth is a good career move. Come to think of it, don’t discount the possibility that your daughters could be taking some mind altering substances. I think the best you can do is let them know they need help, these are not sound decisions, and while you will always be their parents, you can’t rescue them from everything.

Why ya gotta insult all women? I have three sons that sometimes do stupid things, but I don’t say “men can be stupid”, I say “my sons can be stupid”.

HUMANS ARE STUPID.

Real breaking news there, buddy.

No! I did lower the side of Oldest’s crib, step away, and watch helplessly as she took a one-and-a-half gainer head-first into the floor, but I did NOT drop her myself.

See:

I gave women the benefit of a doubt with the weasel phrase, “can be stupid.” I was not so charitable towards men because, well, I am one and know the sad, bitter truth. Dumb as a bag of rocks, the lot of us.

Both true.

I don’t think that’s it.

Please don’t turn this thread into another “Why don’t women like Nice Guys?” whinge. My point is that ALL guys, being living, thinking (in their fashion) creatures, can take advantage of someone else’s doe-eyed naivete if they think they’ll be able to have their cake and eat it, too. And remember that people are bone lazy, too, and sometimes it’s easier than actually breaking up.

My other point being, of course, that I want to hit then over the head with a stick, or at least not ask, “Just how fucking dumb are you?” So I vent here and am supportive and guiding like a good parent at home.

Yup, womens can be stupid. Mens can be stupid too. If you had sons things would seem more the other way round.

Nah. I don’t think I could have a lower opinion of men. :wink:

Being a woman myself, it pains me to agree with your premise. But agree I do. Girl 1.0 just had a spectacularly ugly and overdue breakup with a volatile Walter Mitty sort. (Hint: there would have been at least one surgical scar from the cancer treatment he allegedly had. Also, he would have qualified for ongoing medical coverage if he’d been diagnosed while in the Navy. Hint 3 is a math problem: Walter here is 25 years old. He claims to have served 2 years in the Navy, got his bachelors degree (from a community college that doesn’t offer any BA degrees, and got his masters from Loyola. You’ve known him about a year, and he had been " out of school" for at least several months before you began dating, so? Time lord? Or lying piece of abusive, druggie shit? Which leads me to hint 4: when his parents banned him from their home because he was stealing his disabled father’s pain meds? That didn’t tweak your Run Away Meter?)

Good riddance, sez I, but the girl has gotta get some street smarts. Fast. And I need to get a lot of intestinal fortitude. Three more daughters to go!

Women aren’t stupid, your daughter’s are stupid.

And me. I’m stupid with the typing.

How old are these ladies? We get a lot less stupid (and a lot less tolerant) as we age. You want to go off on your on and have your own place? See ya. Have a nice life. Has he mentioned that he’s going to be dating other people? Cause he is. Probably is already.

You want me to move into your house as Girlfriend Insurance? See ya. Have a nice life. Although that one is interesting - she could probably milk him pretty good for a while, if she doesn’t mind being some form of kept woman. It’s a little surprising that the current girlfriend wants him to keep a spare around (and pay her a lot of money). :slight_smile:

Yeah, upon reading about the haircut, my assumption is that he cleaned up his look to help himself land his new girlfriend, who is probably allergic to cats and lives near his new apartment.

I don’t read it as stupid, I read it as a lack of self respect and the confidence to be themselves first, without attachments.
Oh, and the guys in this aren’t stupid, they’re just assholes.

Personally, I blame the parents.

Well…I don’t really see the stupid here in Oldest.

From your story, she does not seem to be too heartbroken, so I guess they both were lukewarm about the relationship for the last year or so. He just was the first to break up. You may say he was a coward for keeping her out of the loop so long, while he secured another apartment. But what can you call her then, as she kept on looking to live together with a man she isn’t particularly sad to see go? You could say he did them both a favour by doing the breaking up. You could even say he does them both another favour by keeping the break up relatively [del]clouded in mist and weaselwords[/del] civil. Most people don’'t thrive on revenge and drama, and are happy to avoid it.

So those of you who think dropzone’s Oldest is being a doormat, what would you have her do at this point? Fight him over perceived slights and insults and betrayals in the past? What good, realistically, would that do at this point for her? The only thing still worth fighting over is the division of pets (and stuff), if she would really feel strongly about that.
Even the “booty call”-thing..Frankly, I would resent it if my decision to sleep with someone or not would be judged by society in terms of winning, losing, sexual honor, tit-for-tat transactions, crime and punishment. If she still wants to sleep with her ex-lover, she should, and if not, not. When she is ready to start dating someone else, she will.

aaaand **Maastricht **wins another thread! :slight_smile: I love reading your responses. I was all ready to join in on the pile-on, but then got to your post and was like “yeah! You’re right!!”

Plus, maybe the leads aren’t shit, maybe you’re shit. We could get a guy in to give you a motivational speech and a chance to win a Cadillac. Or some steak knives. You don’t want the third place prize.