I think it’s the old Xian Strawman Attack, you know “If you believe evolution, I will show you how ‘evil’ it is, using its own principles! Evolution means that loved ones who die were just culled like seals, and we shouldn’t have any compassion for them! Ha! Believe in evil evolution now, you bastard!”
So although that doesn’t seem to be cole burner’s intent, many Dopers have seen it before. Many, many times before.
Aries28 I think that this guy could’ve been doining one of two things.
1.explaining what he thought and how he would deal with the situation.
[CB]Hmm I just lost my mom but she couldn’t really run that fast. So, it’s okay a drunk driver ran her over. [/CB]
The problem is even if he thinks that, that phouka’s OP was so well written. She explained her pain and anger and, more importantly, didn’t ask for people to offer their guesses on why it happened. So it was inappropriate.
kung fu lola I hope too that it wasn’t his intent but how oblivious can someone be to someone else’s pain?
I’m sure we all have our own answer to that.
Oh, please. I’m as much a creationist as Bush is a civil libertarian. I can’t stand the people that reject evolution. AND ALL IT IMPLIES.
Maybe this thread wasn’t the right place to point out the fact that Nature is creul and it takes the weak from the herd.
But honestly: do any of you deny that basic fact? That weak humans dying before strong humans is part of nature? That this is a key part of evolution?
It’s what makes us strong as a race.
And you know what? Yes, I’m sorry, but there are lots of people that WANT to live, and they die by disease or accident, I have plenty of sympathy for them. This fucker killed himself by being a drug-sniffing asshole. Cry me a fucking river.
His death improves our gene pool. Deny that if you can. Don’t waste time insulting me. If you can disprove that fact, I’ll apologize fifty times over.
Whether or not you believe in evolution or not THAT thread was completely NOT the place. Start a thread in Great Debates but don’t hijack a thread and be so cold where someone is grieving. It’s tacky. It’s rude and it’s against the rules here.
Since you are new here the mods are likely to cut you some slack but FTR wandering into a thread and posting something so inflamatory can get you banned.
Welcome to the boards. Try to stick around and contribute and not spout off in any old thread just to get a rise out of folks.
When will I ever learn…PREVIEW…PREVIEW…
Correction: “Whether you believe in evolution or not THAT thread…”
First off, you say that you have sympathy for people who die due to disease or accidents, but not drug overdose, and that Lance’s death improves the gene pool. Shouldn’t you, by your theory, also cheer death to disease as that improves the gene pool as well? Or is it OK if humans that are susceptible to disease or have poor reflexes (accidental deaths) live, as long as those with tendencies to addiction end up dead? Considering the number of diseases that are contagious, this doesn’t exactly follow with your social Darwinism theory.
Second, you decided to piss all over phouka’s thread by sharing your pet theory there when she was obviously pained and distressed. What on earth led you to think that “hey, she’s crushed by the death with this kid with potential; I’ll tell her we’re all better off with him dead, that’ll help!”
Learn some fucking decorum already.
Do you understand evolution, or did you see a website hawking Social Darwinism and thought it sounded cool?
cole burner, you motherfucking dimwit:
And we should give a flying fuck what you think in a thread meant for grieving with and helping a fellow doper? I could care less what you think of evolution, creationism and whatever either fucking implies - and boy did you pick a bad place to voice those views.
NO SHIT SHERLOCK! Wasn’t the right place may well be the understatement of this century. Wish someone could cull the assholes from the herd.
Which has fuck all what to do with the thread you opined in?
Present company excluded.
I can’t even go here. As a teen who was suicidal, and as someone who has lost people to suicide, I can remember and I have lived that pain, and here is where I draw the line with you. Coventry, you’re welcome to him.
So you think that one person making a mistake that leads to their death has improved the gene pool? In past posts, you’ve referenced evolution as the underlying theory behing this claim.
I must ask you then if you view it as a microevolutionary or macroevolutionary process?
On the basis that even an inconsequential turd such as yourself is unlikely to view this as macroevolution, I would like your thoughts on which microevolutionary process this is an instance of?
But what I really want to know is this. How do you think that this person dying has in any way “improves our gene pool” You think that someone experimenting with drugs is a genetic trait? Or you think that a tolerance to drugs is somehow an improvement?
Or is it just the case that you’re an offensive little cunt who posts contemptible shite and then tries to justify it with an almost impressively misinformed call to a theory far beyond your intellect?
If you derive some perverse notion of genetic superiority over someone’s accidental death due to overdose then what kind of despicable Darwinian society do you think you’re destined to inhabit?
I always hate it when someone dies as a result of some mistake they made and then someone says “Looks like a candidate for the Darwin Awards!” and “I want to thank this guy for removing himself from the gene pool. Oh wait, I can’t! Because he’s dead! BUWAHAHAHAHAAH!” You can accuse me of having no sense of humor, but I think it’s elitist, insensitive, and a simple-minded perversion of the theory of evolution.
cole burner’s post in the linked thread is like that… times ten. It’s prickish in the extreme. If that doesn’t qualify as being a jerk, I don’t know what does.
Why is a Darwinian society “despiciable”?
First of all we all have no choice. We LIVE in a Darwinian society. He didn’t create anything, he just described the natural order of the way the world works. You may say its cruel or elitist, but guess what? That doesn’t change the natural order of things: the weak in an environment die more frequently and sooner than the strong. The strong’s genes are more likely to be passed on to successive generations.
Do I think drug addicition is heredity? Yes, I do, and there are plenty of studies which back me up.
By the way, if this thread that I interrupted was such a touchy-feely good hugging thing, WHY WAS IT IN THE PIT? Was I in the wrong for putting that harsh comment in there? Yes, I was. But it’ not like it was in MPSIMS, it was already the Pit.
And all you guys so horrified about my insenstive elist self, tell me : what, EXACTLY and PRECISELY, is incorrect about what I said. This is how microevolution works. Traits that do not help survival are weeded out. Drug use (and the stupidity to choose to put poison in your body) are examples of those traits. Why not address those facts instead of continuing to call me names?
I know the answer. It’s because the facts are unshakeable, so names are the only weapon you have left.
Because, fucktard, it was in the - listen closely now - WRONG PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME!
You want to talk about evolution, GO TO THE PROPER FORUM.
The Pit is an extremely proper place for someone to start a thread to vent about their anger and grief about a death - and a place where they can also cuss like hell. But that thread, about grief and pain and anguish is no motherfucking place to spout your “origin of man” crap and basically say “they deserved it”. So shut up, read the forum descriptions, and hopefully, in the future, you’ll be able to avoid that “I’m a real asshole” reaction you’ve so far garnered.
Because the facts are, you’re an asshole, and you behaved like a complete jackass in that thread. We really don’t care what your beliefs are, and probably most of us actually agree with them. We just think that expressing them in that manner at that particular time makes you a fucking prick.
It wasn’t about being wrong or right-it was about pissing in a thread where someone was grieving, fuckbrain.
OK, I was wrong to place my comments in that thread.
Let’s keep focusing on that instead of whether I was right in what I said.
It’s better to feel better than to be factual.
Maybe now we should talk about how a “loving God” will be sure to keep and cherish the poor departed soul. That always makes people feel good, when you talk about a loving God. That also favors comfort over truth. So let’s say some prayers, huh?
Yes, the place was wrong, BUT THE FACTS WERE RIGHT. There is no God and you’re wormfood when you die, and those that need to hang on to the Invisble Man In The Sky for comfort are weakminded fools. But oh, no, let’s let them cling to their illusions, that’s better.
Pardon me for reminding people of truth.
I predict the next ten responses will still tell me what an asshole I am without ever addressing the truths of what I said.
Then how 'bout apologizing to to OP that was trying to make sense of their grief and go start a thread in GD?
I don’t care if I agreed with every fucking word you’ve typed…you are still an asshole.
It matters not to me whether you spoke the truth or not…you were an ass to do so in that thread.
Remind people of the “truth” in your own thread…don’t piss on somebody elses when they are hurting.
Phouka, I am so sorry for your loss. We’ve lost several students at my high school over the years. I didn’t know any of them of very well, but it was still hard to see the pain their deaths caused to those who did.
When one claims to have such unequivocal truths, it is a sure sign that one does not.
I would flame you, but nothing that I can say would ever do justice to the degree to which you are a scum-sucking asshole.
Hey, were you the guy who told me in the receiving line at my father’s funeral, “You should have had him go to _____ Hospital instead to have them look at his heart, maybe this wouldn’t have happened.” Because, you know, that might or might not have been factual and all, but it sure as hell wasn’t nice or appropriate. Did I praise him for his devotion to searching for the truth? No. Did I knock him flat on his ass like I wanted to? No, though it was tough to restrain myself from doing so. After the look of wanting to kill left my eyes, I managed to fake smile, let go of his hand, and send him down the receiving line. And I haven’t forgotten the incident 10 years later. I don’t dwell on it, but oh, I do remember it.
You see, some things don’t need to be said.
We’re asking for a little fucking bit of tact here, not lying. You would not have lied to phouka if you’d said that you were sorry she couldn’t lead him away from drugs to a more productive life, or that you were sorry she was so angry and yet saddened. (Or you could have just let her thread go uncommented on.) And then you could have opened a thread in GD if you thought speaking The Truth was so freaking important that you had to do it right then.
I’m not going to address your claims of “truth” again since you yourself are only doing so selectively, and contradict yourself in the process. Here’s a recap for you: You specifically state that you feel sorry for those who die accidentally or to disease, but not to suicide/drug overdose. Explain why the inability to fend off a disease properly is worth pity when ODing on drugs is not, especially since diseases can be contagious and can lead to killing other folks, like those with weak immune systems such as very young children regardless of their genetic inheritances. Explain why having poor reflexes and thus dying in an accident is unfortunate, but offing yourself with drugs is a good thing for the rest of humanity.
Better yet, go explain it in the right forum.
Perhaps the bridge-dwelling summer-school truant would like to explain how he came to the unassailable conclusion that this kid’s genes were inferior and unfit for preservation.
He only thinks he has the facts on his side. He doesn’t. He has wild-ass-guesses based on a tragically flawed understanding of science. And whether drug addiction is hereditary or not has no bearing on whether his argument is stupid.
Our environment is not constant. It changes. Suppose the same genes that increase a person’s susceptibility to drug addiction also contribute to behavior that actually increases survivability in some future environment. There are no “better” or “worse” genes, only genes that increase or decrease reproductive viability in a given environment.
And that goes for people who aren’t sufficiently afraid of heights, alligators, pneumatic rifles, and all the other “stupid ways to die”. I know we have one or two people on this board who are extremely knowledgeable about evolution and the process of natural selection. I’m always amazed that they don’t step in and correct this B.S. more often when it rears its ugly head.
In conclusion, despite what cole spermer thinks, he’s not right, he doesn’t have the facts on his side, and he doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about.