Let’s just say he’ll be ordering off the kid’s menu, knowwhatimean? 
And what about the stupidity of the question?
“Mr. President, is there some reason you are reluctant to sneer, crow, and yell “neener-neener” during a sensitive diplomatic visit, you wimp!”
And Starkers? When Obama takes a shower, he washes away more information that you’ve ever had.
I think you’ve misread. I’m not comparing Obama’s statement with Walesa’s. I’m comparing Obama’s statement with yours. I’m saying that I don’t see a difference between Obama’s comments and your own final comment as far as how deserving of scorn they are. Neither seems to me particularly wishy-washy nor a comment that says something while actually saying nothing - so to my mind, it seemed odd on one hand to decry a particular statement as unimpressive fluff while indulging in such fluff oneself.
That’s actually incorrect - Walesa states that it was due to Reagan - indeed, a person might construe from that that he was reluctant to mention the US or indeed the American people. I’d say that would be stretching it, but no more than your claim of Obama, who at the least talks about Presidents on either side in general, and names populations along with leaders. I think you may be reading reluctantness where it doesn’t exist.
Evidence for Reagan *leading *it, not just jumping on the bandwagon, is, well, what?
We keep asking but not getting.
How is it ‘comic book’? The Soviet Union was collapsing under its own weight. Our threats and posturing over Poland at the time were just like our threats and posturing over Afghanistan; big words that didn’t really go anywhere.
Of course I’m aware of it. Where am I wrong?
Yeah, you’re right, Sparky. At least I remembered to capitalize the Cold War, eh? My apologies. I’m typing as fast as I can, tilting at windmills and trying to keep things honest around here. It’s almost a full time job and sometimes an error of punctuation can occur.
But anyway, I’m outta here for now. Work beckons and playtime is, unfortunately, over.
And by the way,** EP**, I don’t rail against every point made by the opposition, just the ones that are wrong…you know, like the OP’s. To let them stand is how the lie becomes the truth. (Yes, I may be suffering Michael Jackson overload, why do you ask?)
Sorry, I was watching a different video. In the one I watched, the reporter quoted a speech from Obama, and then said he didn’t give America enough credit. Then Marley23 said that the news clip deleted the portion that showed Obama giving America credit. Then you said that the reporter made no such demand. What video were you watching? Link please?
ETA: Or maybe you’re more of a math type. Try this.
Reporter: A?
Obama: A.
News clip: Everything except A.
Marley23: They deleted A!
You: Reporter never asked “A?”.
How very noble. If it were true.
Yeah, I’m sure that’s why the cut the part that would completely negate Hannity’s diatribe. Of course one could argue that if you don’t have time in your show to show the whole answer in context then you shouldn’t, y’know, show any of it. But that’s me, I have morals.
The short answer is, it was collapsing under it’s own weight due to trying to keep up it’s spending for military and other expenses with the US (like it’s space program). Simply put, we spent them to death.
The long answer is, you should really do some research to see exactly what happened to the Soviets before getting into a discussion about them. This is pretty basic stuff, and attempting to say that the US (let alone Reagan) ‘had little to no role’ is, frankly, stupid.
Again, it had an effect that was cumulative with everything else we (and others) were doing. The Soviet’s essentially died the death of a thousand cuts…Reagan’s ‘tear down this wall’ speech being another small cut that helped add up to death. The US played a pivotal role in the demise of the Soviet’s…and Reagan certainly had a non-zero effect, if nothing else on the psychology of the Soviet elite and how they worried about what he MIGHT do.
-XT
Everything necessary to show how you’ve incorrectly simplified things to you your own advantage is available upthread. I don’t have time right now to run you back through it.
RT, I’ll try to answer later. Regards.
Side note: I thought the side by side thing was stupid, I couldn’t understand what was being said, took about three listenings. Stupid, stupid liberal media!
It’s the parting shot that Obama should “hit the history books before his next foreign trip” that irks me! He answered the question off the top of his head and paused just long enough to get his facts straight. I see nothing wrong with that… in fact, I appreciate it.
So because I disagree with you I must not have done any research? Okay. I’m sorry, you didn’t mention earlier that you were delusional in addition to being a sanctimonious twat.
The Soviet Union did indeed fall due to a myriad of reasons; collapsed economy and corruption within the bureaucracy being the chief among those. Reagan’s speech to ‘tear down this wall’ may still cause conservatives to wet their pants but in truth, it was already over by that time.
Of course, there is something that is truly (not sarcastically) shocking about Hannity in the clip. He gives credit to some Democratic Presidents for something they did.
It seems to me that the major beef was that Obama wouldn’t say we ‘won’ the Cold war. Only that it ‘reached it’s conclusion’, in order to avoid offending the Russians.
Obama tried to hand wave that criticism by saying that a lot of people were involved, so technically it wasn’t the US that won, but rather everybody. He cites Walesa as an example.
Only Walesa seems to give all the credit to Reagan and the US.
Hannity’s comment about Walesa seems to be a direct rebuttal to what Obama said about Walesa. It would make a lot more sense if that part wasn’t cut out.
So I think I vote for ‘random edit guy cutting the clip to make it fit’ as opposed to ‘Lying Douchebag’!!!
Fox News has a political orientation? What orientation would that be?
So you suppose Hannity did not edit the clip in a very specific manner to make it appear that Obama did not give credit to any Americans for the end of the cold war?
So this thread is an unfair attack on Hannity’s integrity? And you must defend this heinous attack, nay this lie about the pureness of Hannity’s intentions?
If so, you are completely deluded my friend. Either that or you are deliberately poking us and are having a laugh.
This is more apt than you realize. You’re using it here to describe how futile your efforts are, but it also implies that they’re futile because you’re deluded. And in the very next clause you talk about how you’re trying to keep things honest around here, when you’re the one who looks at windmills and sees giants.
Walesa seems to be giving Reagan an awful lot of credit in that quote. Why would he be speak in such gushing terms over the man in such a manner? Oh, could it be because the quote was taken from an interview with him taken right after Reagan kicked the bucket?