Should I have a baby?

Best advice I heard on knowing WHEN (or IF) to have kids is: Have them when fear of really screwing up no longer stops you from going ahead and getting pregnant/adopting. The fear is still there (if not worse than before), but the NEED to parent is stronger. And you had better have had that fear already, because if you haven’t, you are going to get whacked with it REAL soon after you HAVE a child, and it won’t be pretty.

I’m married, have a just-turned-3 boy, who is an utter delight, is one of the easiest children my mother has ever seen (she had 7), and is still a challenge. No special needs, so keep that in mind in these answers.

As for your questions, I’ll try to cover areas that haven’t already been covered:

the good: any time they fall asleep on you; that breastfeeding actually WORKS; the wonder-filled gaze as he sees something new; listening to him sing; the day I came home from a business trip feeling rotten with a nasty flu and he sat on my lap (14 months old) reached up and patted my cheek OH-so-gently and said ‘Buuuuuu’ - his word for beautiful.

the bad: screaming fit followed by heartbroken sobbing so hard he couldn’t speak because I made his pb&j sandwich without asking if he wanted to help; blown-out diapers that shoot poop up to the neckline of his shirt, and down to his socks; driving him to the emergency room praying that he won’t stop breathing before I get there, and not entirely sure if he is even still breathing NOW.

the ugly: trying to get the doctor to take your parenting approach seriously (the usual zones: beastfeeding, foreskin care, sleeping, solid foods, allergies, vaccinations); wondering if you made the right choice after having a fight with the doctor about your choice; having no sick leave for myself because I spent three days in the hospital with him with the LAST case of croup - and then had to stay home for two more days because he broke his leg and the orthopedist doesn’t have an appointment available until TUESDAY; having him hand me a ‘present’ only to find out that it is a booger; having to tell my mom to back off on the parenting advice because I’m big enough to make my own mistakes.

Everything from conception to birth to the first few years:

Conception - IF, and if, then how, and if how, then when and how long (9 months average for trying before it happens, in our area), then what if you miscarry (done that twice, totally sucks), and then if you miscarry, IF you will ever manage to conceive again. The effort of NOT obsessing is immense at times.

Pregnancy - learning how to throw up in a public bathroom without puking on yourself or getting your hands in the YUCK on the floor; trying not to throw up in a business meeting; sciatica; really cool feeling of having someone kick in reaction to the music you are listening to; wonder and wonder and joy; feeling like you’ll SCREAM if the child moves one more time in the next 30 seconds; feeling sick to your soul because they haven’t moved in the last hour; worry, anxiety, panic, hope, awe, contentment, fear.

Labor - excitement, patience, anxiety, reassurance, confidence, doubt, pain (though no more than I could manage - TRAIN FOR IT!!!), exhaustion, revelation (in the spiritual sense), awe, humility; more effort than you thought was humanly possible; feeling suddenly connected to all your foremothers.

First few months - having every period you skipped in the last 9 months all rolled up into one; realizing that there was no way you could be ready, but you are really REALLY not ready; finally understanding what your mother meant when she said you’d understand when you had kids of your own; wondering when you will screw up and prove that you aren’t good enough to be a parent for this child; fear that everyone else who tries to help is actually WORSE than you at it - and fear that everyone else is better and they know it; hating staying home, but feeling like a bad mom for missing your job; realizing that ‘ain’t nobody perfect’; sense that the child will always be developing one step ahead of you – STOP, let me get used to you before you change again!

first year - hoping the daycare won’t ruin him; feeling like the daycare is doing a better job than you are; pumping in the bathroom at work; pumping in the car; pumping in conference rooms; leaking; trying to enjoy working; feeling panicked because ‘if I lose my job, we are without ANY income’; rediscovering your own sense of wonder; beginning to sleep enough to make life a more than one-hour-at-a-time proposition; beginning to get into the pace of things; wondering if you will EVER have another break in your whole life; realizing what my mother meant when she said: ‘when my child is cut, I bleed’ - feeling physical pain when your child is hurt.

Next years – praying for a raise so you can afford NOT to use the public school system that averages 42nd percentile; considering job and house moves primarily for what they can do for you as a parent; wondering if you should have more kids; wondering if you are insane to even CONSIDER having more kids.

Did you really question yourself about this choice or did it just happen? I always knew I would have kids, the quetion was when, and with whom. I even knew how many, though I am open to discussion on that. (3)

How long did you take off work? 10 weeks postpartum. Then my husband quit his job and stayed home. At nearly a year old, we switched to daycare. In retrospect, while it was wonderful for him to get to do that, our daycare provider would have been great, too.

What was the greatest problem to overcome? too many to list - breastfeeding problems were hell, living without sleep was hell, figuring out where job fit in relation to child was hell, figuring out how to let us both be parents was hell (for me), figuring out how to be a couple AND parents was hell - some advantages of going solo, for certain.

How many people helped you before/during/after the birth of your child? I had two doulas, my mom, and my husband. At the very least, having two people there as support for the birth is really really helpful (what if one has to pee when you need to push?). I swear by doulas, even if they are non-professional (mine were friends of mine, one of whom was a childbirth educator). Post-partum doulas are also a GREAT idea if you are doing this solo - daily help for a few weeks after the baby is home!!! Take classes, and at least train for natural childbirth even if you plan to use meds - I know too many people who didn’t get their meds or the meds didn’t work, and they hadn’t learned any backup methods of coping.

How much money does it take to have a child (hospital bills, etc)? $10 copay for the whole damn thing, on my insurance. $2000 for a midwife delivery, $4000 if you need to be moved to the hospital, $6000-10000 if you need a c-section, much more if your child needs to stay in the hospital for any reason. Prices vary by region, and that was three years ago.

If you could do it again, would you? In a hot second - actually, 10 minutes after he was born, I’d have done that part again, and that was after 80 hours of labor! In their teen years, almost everyone I know regrets doing it, but that changes again when they get a bit older.

Would you change anything? What would you change? There’s not much I could change that wouldn’t require an impossible level of understanding beforehand - you try, you learn, you take classes and do research, and it is STILL going to be the first time you do it. And there is little I’d change anyway - more money saved would have been nice, but I wouldn’t have held off for just that.

I realize it’s annoying to post something to merely say “Nicely done” but goddamn, hedra, that was a helluva post. It’s something I could have written – in terms of experience, I mean, not in terms of writing talent or thoughtfulness. I lack that.

I couldn’t let that go unrecognized.

Byz, I know how Doctor Laura is looked upon on these message boards. So I’ll put up a disclaimer that these words will echo hers in many ways. I hope, though, that that won’t stop you from reading them, because in my opinion, they make a heck of a lot of sense.

The short version: DON’T.

The long version: According to your own post, you’re doing this to fulfill your needs, your desires. Here’s the relevany quote from your original post: I don’t want to get married but I think I would like to have a child.

However, the child him/herself will have needs too, and a single parent is not the optimal way to achieve them. Look at the statistics regarding children who grow up without a father in their lives. The rates of incarceration, poverty, depression, are phenomenally higher than for children who grow up in two-parent families. Two people who care for a child are not merely twice as good as one. The sum of a couple is more than its parts. While in some cases (e.g., an abusive or criminal parent, death of one parent, rape, etc) it is preferable to have one parent not involved in the child’s life, it is certainly not a situation that a child should be brought into intentionally.

If you have a desire to act as a parent, please do it through adoption or fostering. Granted, for single people, it’s difficult to do, but it can be done, and you’d be providing a child who has a worse-than-one-parent situation with a better one: one parent. Or perhaps there’s a “Big Sister” sort of program where you live. It’s not exactly being a parent, but it’s certainly a positive way to shape the future of our society.

Parenting is a wonderful thing. My wife and I have 3 children, and have every intention of eventually having more (once we feel like we’re getting too much sleep at night, I suspect). But it cannot be adequately-expressed (though I have tried) how important it is to a child to have two active parents.

And furthermore, it cannot be adequately expressed how important it is for a parent to have a partner in the job. Again, there are situations (as I mentioned above) when it is necessary for there to not be a partnership, but it’s certainly not something that should be looked at as the first option.

Assuming the Doctor Laura sound of this post hasn’t already gotten you to stop reading by this point, I’ll merely throw in a Bible quote to augment my last point:

Ecclesiastes 4:9-10 - Two are better than one; because they have a good reward for their labour. For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow; but woe to him that is alone when he falleth, and hath not another to lift him up.

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Avoid mass produced babies, especially when packaged and frozen. Free range or wild babies, while not as plump, will offer more flavor.

What? Why are you looking at me like that?

Slythe – again, thanks for Rosie’s site.

MamaHen – I’m glad you were able to take a very difficult situation and make something wonderful come of it; you have a lot of personal power and I’m envious! I know most of my family would be THRILLED beyond words if I had a child; they see me with their children and constantly wonder why I don’t have any.

evilbeth – that’s a very valid point and that’s why I’m exploring the issue. I want to make sure that this is really a choice and not just a substitute for something else that’s lacking in my life. I know this will sound weird but I went through a similar exploration before I took in my dog. I knew it was a big commitment and I wanted to make sure I was ready. I decided that I was and I have never regretted it even though she still has a lot of problems (from being abused). And thanks for the strokes! :slight_smile:

Primaflora – I’ve thought about that. My cousin is autistic and I’ve talked to my Aunt about the issues surrounding caring for him. I really don’t know if I could do what she’s done; she is a very strong woman and I don’t know if I have that kind of strength. I’m sorry about your day and your bad news. But the good news is that dyslexia can be overcome. I know from personal experience.

Eve – that’s why I’m taking the time to fully explore what having a child would mean. I’m not one to take such a commitment lightly.

Dangerosa – thanks for the money info. I don’t want to sound like I’m just looking at this in dollars and cents but I think it’s responsible for me to understand that aspect too. And after talking to my sister and being around her and her children I know it’s not all giggles and farts! We laugh ourselves into hysterics over how having children is portrayed in some movies and especially in the soaps! They are so unrealistic it makes me wonder about the person who wrote that crud!

Johnny L.A. – cute! And the baby is adorable! :wink: It would be really cool if you could get his WHOLE head in your mouth! I also put off having children when I was younger because of things I needed to do; but now, I’m older, wiser (shut up you!) And I’ve done most of the “big” things in my life. Also is the fact that as a woman I only have a finite time to have children. I can feel this in my mind and am exploring if this is what is causing me to reconsider at this time.

FairyChatMom – I’m glad that day care will not be much of an issue for me since I’m fairly financially set and work at home. But I know I will need other adults to spell me occasionally or I’ll go insane!

CrankyAsAnOldMan – no, no, this thread IS about you! Your experiences and advice. And thanks for the book title; I’ll definitely check it out!

robinh – I agree. I have some wonderful friends here but I’d like to be closer to my family if I decide to do this. I also want to be far away from Utah schools by the time my child is old enough to go!

Dinsdale – yep, that’s why I’m really, REALLY considering all the ramifications! I don’t want people to get the idea that I’m going to let the board decide for me or that I’m going to do this next week; I’m thinking within the next five years so I have plenty of time to plan and decide. And those are some excellent questions for me to ask myself.

Gundy – wow, what a schedule! It seems to me that you really never do this alone; a support system seems absolutely vital!

doc_miller – I’m not one to do anything until I fully explore it. The few times where I have leapt into something without thinking I’ve gotten burned so it’s not something I do anymore. And I certainly wouldn’t do it with someone as important as a child. And I hate going to the movies, ditto bars and I rarely eat out so that won’t be much of a sacrifice! Another friend suggested signing up for foster care to “get my feet wet” and I’m exploring that option.

Shirley Ujest – that WASN’T witty? And that’s about how I see having a child! I realize that being a “work at home mom” will basically mean I get to work about two minutes at a time or only when they are asleep; course, by then, I’ll probably be asleep too!

handy – get over here so I can bitch slap you! :slight_smile:

hedra – WOW! You sound just like my sister! She had a lot of the same thoughts and agony over her effectiveness as a parent. She also fought with her doctor about wanting to do things her way. I’m really exploring my fear/need issues in my journal. I have about a 50/50 split going on right now…

CrankyAsAnOldMan – I second that! Hedra, what a wonderful post! That was exactly the kind of stuff I was looking for! I wanted the straight dope; not the crap you see in the soaps (like, where the baby and mother are ALWAYS clean and the baby NEVER cries and is off screen most of the time unless it’s time for them to be cute and the mother gets her figure back the day AFTER having the baby… ha ha ha!)

cmkeller – I’m not doing anything but exploring an issue. This IS about my needs as well as those of a child; the two go hand in hand. And I am aware of the statistics but generally, they are very young, poor and did NOT go into parenthood with eyes wide open, nor are they single by choice. And again, I won’t be alone. I would have a very strong support system backing me up. But thank you for sharing.

Tymp – you are next on the bitch slap list!

I must mention that this whole post has been very beneficial for me too. I would like to have children in the next couple years (at least I think I would! :wink: ) but my husband has pretty much said that he could be married our whole lives and not want kids :frowning: (Gee, might have wanted to mention that before we got married!)

Anyway, glad you asked the questions, Byz, and good luck on whatever decision you make.

The next time my sister had me post with the baby (a few months later) I tasted his cranium again. She said, “Are you going to bite his head every time I take a picture?” Hmmm… could be fun. I’ll be really old, and he’ll be like 30, and I’ll get a pic of me biting his head! :stuck_out_tongue:

I know someone who, when I tell her that my sister had my nephew when she was 45, says, “Then there’s still hope for me.” Hmmm… She’s cute. She’s also a helicopter pilot. She lives in an area I like. Hmmm…

I second BunnyGirl. I’m married, no children yet but we’re thinking of starting a family in the next few years. The information in this thread has been very helpful in trying to picture what it will be like. I wonder, are there any mothers out there whose partners are away from home alot, e.g. navy/merchant marine wives? How do you cope?

No! Do not have that baby, Byzantine!

Don’t you remember the prophesy about the one who is to bring balance to the force? You’re the spitting image of the “mother” character in that prophesy! If you have a baby, it will grow up to be Darth Vader and enslave the galaxy!!

I think the best thing to do is search deep inside yourself and find out why you want to have a baby. Make a list of the whys and the why nots. Do the pros and cons. Listen to your heart & your brain, not just your hormones.

Is it the Kodak moments you want? Is it the smell of a freshly-powdered baby? Is it so you have someone to continue your bloodline? Is it for company? Is it to have someone to take care of you in your old age? Is it so you have someone with whom you can share every part of your life? Is it someone with whom you can re-learn the magnificent wonders and harsh lessons of the world? Do you want to relive your own childhood or make up for the things you didn’t get to do?

What part of you will be most fulfilled by having a baby? Is it something else that needs filling, but not necessarily by giving birth or raising a child? Or is it the desire to have a hand in producing a positive & productive member of the future generations?

Just remember that once you have a child, you can’t give it back. Once you’re in, you’re in for the long haul. Know why you want it and why you’re doing it. It’s not something you want to regret. :slight_smile:

There are some great books in the library on making this decision. It might be wise to read some of them. I am at work and so I don’t have my list of them. I’ll bring them in tomorrow and give you the titles.

It’s a gargantuan decision. It’s your choice and nobody else’s. Best of luck to you.

:slight_smile:

My daughter’s only 8 months old, so most of the sage advice to give has already been given.

One thing about having a baby: you get to take a gazillion cute pictures. Take a look at those posted in my CRB link in my signature below. :D:D

Especially look at the picture I titled “Mother and Daughter, The First Day”.

When we got home from the hospital, I copied that from our camcorder and made it our background picture for Windows. The first time my wife came downstairs after that, she saw the screen and started crying. That one thing pregnancy and childbirth will do: amplify your emotions.

BunnyGirl – I always think it’s a good idea to ask questions… no matter what issue is facing us. And I’m a bit perturbed at some who think that by even asking the question I’m somehow unsuited for parenthood; I would suggest to them that only an active, loving and responsible person would ask these questions and work hard to find the true answers. My best to YOU, BunnyGirl!

Johnny L.A. – well, there you go. Explore the options, as they say!

Nimue – my sister was in the Navy and this issue came up. It was her support system of good friends that filled the void and helped. That’s why I am really working toward developing this BEFORE I decide!

tracer – I think it’s time to up your meds!

Melpomene – that’s exactly what I’m doing. Exploring myself. And thanks for some more great questions to explore!

AWB – as an avid and award winning photographer I think I’m set for the “photo op”! :slight_smile: I just know if I do this I think my family might get SICK from the deluge of photos!

As an aside, I wonder how many of you saw Primetime Thursday tonight – kicking your kid’s ass on tape. I have never cried so hard. I was horrified by how out and out abusive this woman was; however, in the back of my mind was the question: Where did she learn this?

My parents NEVER treated me like this… she had to learn this SOMEWHERE… I think we learn a lot from our parents but I also think we have the ability to NOT do some of the things they did…

It just disturbed me and gave me even more fodder for my journal…

The biggest problem with babies is that they eventually turn into teenagers!

My mom had seven kids. Since people can’t keep their curiosity to themselves, she got asked two questions OVER AND OVER AND OVER…

  1. Are you sorry you did it?

  2. Would you do it again if you had a chance?

The answers changed over time:

When we were all little, the answers were: I’m not sorry I did it, but I don’t think I would do it again.

When most of us were teens, the answers were: I’m REALLY sorry I did it, and HELL NO, I wouldn’t do it again!

When the last of us passed the teen years, the answers were: I’m not sorry I did it, and I would do it ALL again, INCLUDING the teen years, even if it cost me dearly.

She reminded me of this when I was pregnant with my son. Many people are happy to remind you that children are only children for a short time, so enjoy it while it is there. INDEED, they are only children for a short time, but they are adults for the rest of their lives. You will have a far longer relationship with them as adults (hopefully) than you do with them as children (or as teens). Keep in mind that you are raising them to be adults, and it makes it easier to survive the rough times. (Not that you shouldn’t enjoy their childhood, nor will it make the teen years any more fun… just gives you something to hang onto.)

I was married when I got preg. with my oldest, but we split (he turned out to be abusive) So I moved back in with the folks and did it solo.

I was common law with Shitboy when I had the youngest, and we were planning to get legally married when he was born. The pregnancy somehow changed the relationship, and we drifted further and further apart.

To the marrieds: be DAMN sure you are secure in you marriage - babies change things.

To you Byz: dont do it. Its not fiar to the kid. I have to listen to my boys ask all the time why they dont have a father… what are you going to tell yours? “Sweetie, I wanted a baby, and I didnt think you needed a daddy.”

You cant do this, its wrong. I dont care how many babies Rosie O’Donnell buys, that doesnt make it right.

Would I do it again?

NO.

I should have given Ted up for adoption to a two parent family - he needs more than I can give him. He needs a dad (Big Brother Program yeah yeah yeah… there is a 2 year waiting list, and he is on it). He is angry and resentful of me and his situation. He is embarassed that he doesnt have a dad. He blames me.

My youngest is even worse! He is heartbroken over it.

Children need two parents, male, female, either. A child deserves TWO parents. I can only echo the stats mentioned.

While I can give me kids a decent life, its not as good as the life they could have had under better circumstances. I didnt plan my kids, they were both conceived while I was on the pill.

I couldnt possible imagine having another baby now, as a single mom - despite the fact that I want a baby girl more than I can express.

Byz, you know I am crazy about you, and I think you would be a kick ass mom, but that isnt enough. If you are partnerless, and you do this to fill a need you have, then it is selfish I think. I know it might make you happy etc, but sometimes that isnt reason enough to do something.

Please get a dog. Dogs are good. I am trying to trade my kids for dogs, but no takers yet.

I gotta tell you too, alot of parenting stuff sucks. Like when they puke in your bed at 2am, and you are all alone with a puking crying kid. You cant put them down- they are crying, and you cant clean them up ,or the bed! Or when they dont come home from school, and you cant find them - the panic is gut wrenching! They get hurt sometimes. Really bad sometimes - and you cant fix them. That is really tough.
When you get nasty letters from the school, or when your kid is the one who started the fight…

Its hard Its really really hard! Especially when you are alone. Its tougher than you can imagine, because you are everything, the protector, the breadwinner, the nurturer…

I hate the way things have turned out. Daycare has raised my children, not me. I see them a couple of hours a day, and we fight all weekend. They hardly seem like my kids at all. The teacher sees them more than I do.

Dont do it Byz.

Not if you’re raising them for veal.

 My husband is in the Army. He actually doesn't go away for long periods of time, just a week or a month here and  there usually but he'll be gone from Jan. til May next year for a school. I am looking forward to it actually. The kids and I won't be on such a strict schedule because we won't have to have them napped and fresh for when Daddy comes home and I'll actually be able to nap instead of getting food on the table for when he walks in the door. I'll be able to do things I can't while he is here like potty training my son. My husband seems to think that he's not ready yet so he fights me the whole time. I'm just going to take the time to enjoy my kids while they are still little and don't talk back:) I live in San Diego without any family close by so I'll really be on my own but I am looking forward to it.
  I grew up as a military brat so I was used to not having Daddy around. My Mom was a great strong role model who let us know we could do things on our own. I think that helped me alot in my outlook.