Should I Tell Him My Sexuality?

Basically, what Lamia said in post #32.

I don’t have a problem with acting on a crush, generally speaking (nothing ventured nothing gained and all that jazz). Acting on this crush seems risky to me. Regardless of how liberal the mores of your location, this situation resembles an office atmosphere, i.e. people who are having to associate with each other instead of choosing to associate with each other. In the best of situations, office romances are difficult. If it doesn’t work out, the dynamics of the group can be tense and awkward.

On a different note, “Just because something is pretty doesn’t mean it’s good to eat.” Have you been listening to how you describe Mike? Mike is disrespectful of his girlfriend (Where does he get off showing nekkid pics to a casual acquaintance?). He’s a bit intolerant. He’s a bit stuck on himself. He sounds like an asshole-- a cute asshole, but an asshole none-the-less.

Plus the whole racism thing. He doesn’t sound like a very good person, even though he may be cute.

He does sound like he could cross the line between boisterous and jerkiness. He could become a valued friend, assuming he accepts you for who you are fingers crossed but I would try to focus your romantic intentions elsewhere. Try guys you know are gay, so then you can limit your angst to whether they like you or like-like you or whether you’re just fooling yourself or if you think they value your friendship too much or if they have a partner that you weren’t aware of…

In my real life, not so much online, I tend not to immediately disclose that I’m gay to people. It has nothing to do with fear of rejection or any such thing; it’s merely not something I think is necessary to bring up a lot. I suppose if I’m dating at the time, it’s more likely to come up in a conversation that starts out “Well, my girlfriend and I are going to the movies tonight.” My response might be “My boyfriend and I are staying in.”

But even then, I might not say that as I don’t necessarily consider someone else’s announcement of their plans for the evening to be an invitation to me to announce mine. If they want me to tag along, they can ask. Or if I’m interested, I’ll ask to go. Either way, I generally take such announcements as just general purpose conversation filler.

So, why bring it up right away?

I can only give anecdotes, but generally when my reveal comes about is during a conversation about gay people and how they’re obvious. Or people say “that’s gay” or the like. That’s when I’ll let loose that I’m gay. Usually people are like, hrm, you’re pretty cool for a gay guy. I guess that’s a backhanded compliment. But either way, the easiest way to dispel the stereotypes of gaydom is to just be yourself and let it come up when it should come up. There’s no reason that it can’t be organic.

It isn’t like it’s deceptive not to tell people straight away as they have no reasonable expectation to know the intimate details of my life. Granted, being gay in and of itself isn’t an intimate detail; it’s a social issue. However, I don’t expect that people are required to tell me straight away if they’re republican, christian, or have a thing for threeways. It’s their own issue and they’re entitled to keep it to themselves or share it as they see fit.

The same holds with you. There really isn’t any point to telling him just for its own sake. Indeed, it seems a little inauthentic to just announce it to see if he’s gay. If you’re so interested, just ask him; you asked him if he’s stupid. I don’t see how “are you gay or bi” would be any worse for the wear, except that it isn’t actually any of your business - other than his talking about his girlfriend.

Sorry that this rambled so much!

I have a really sweet, yet really arrogant, really rude, yet really reliable sect of friends, all of whom are older than me and much more experienced. I’m used to ***holes(this may be a cause for worry).

That said, I don’t see his morals as necessarily a problem if I say something about it, which I have (Well - at least on the racist bit). He isn’t mean to me at least - and I prefer flawed individuals, what with my inferiority complex(surprise!) making me feel inferior around people my own age (not with him).

I’m going to wait out the week and see how the friendship progresses. He already has a strike against him for being racist. Two more strikes and he is gone(Though the way it is looking he may be gone already).

He doesn’t seem self-involved at all, as I was writing from the POV of someone pining over him. I mainly was mentioning what he said, not the constant rambling of myself which he tolerated, replied to, and seemed to enjoy.

I probably didn’t help my case with this post, but…

Yes, I believe the same thing - I don’t see the point of announcing it to everyone as you walk in the door. It doesn’t make me special or something. It was only a concern in this instance in that it looks like I may accidentally lie about it and I am not a fan of lies.

I would agree that his sexuality isn’t necessarily my business, however seeing as he keeps throwing it at my face as it were(This is an expression and perhaps an exaggeration), he has clearly decided that it is my business.

This made me laugh. Thank you :p.

<song_quote> Because I like you, I like you, I like you, I like you
And like can lead to like like and like like can lead to love! </song_quote>

At the first natural opportunity (don’t force it, let the occasion present itself organically in the conversation), mention that you are gay, matter-of-factly. Or if he brings up girls again, and expects you to comply on their smokin’-ness, say something to the effect of, “Well, you know I’m gay, right?”

You don’t have to bludgeon him over the head with it (not that you were intending to), but since you have a crush on him, you might try to over/under compensate on delivering the information.

You can’t really move on in this relationship, until you make it clear you are gay. This wouldn’t necessarily be the case, if you didn’t have such a crush on him. But since you do, just get it out there. Also, it doesn’t have to go any further than that, since I doubt he’ll have a problem with it, in and of itself, despite his religious views. From there, the ball’s in his court. If you feel obligated to take it further and tell him you dig him in “that” way, then do so (especially if he asks you directly). It will most likely kill the friendship, if he’s not interested, or if you’re suspicions are correct, and he’s really gay, but not ready to admit it to himself. In fact, if he really is gay, it may be his religious beliefs keeping him in the closet. Or, it might be the small push he needs to be honest with himself and initiate his homosexuality in earnest, but considering everything, this seems less likely.

I agree with DMark though, whatever happens take it slowly, but organically. Don’t force or rush anything, but if the opportunity presents itself, don’t repress it.

Good luck!

I think that depends on one’s sense of propriety. He has thrown in your face (don’t you wish?!) what he wants to throw in your face, not necessarily what you want to know. Is it an invitation to explore his story more? Only he knows for sure. Given that, by your own admission, you aren’t the most adept with socializing, I think you should tread lightly for a while. Feel him out (so to speak) to see how things progress.

Of course, it could be the case that the only person your “friendship” who thinks he doesn’t know you’re gay is you. Also, as a minor note, I think you give out the term friendship a little more liberally than do I: I restrict that title for people I have known for years. The earliest anyone earned the title was in about 2.5 years. All others are acquaintances, coworkers, colleagues, buddies, or what-have-you; I have a habit of compartmentalizing people like that. I’m not saying it’s good or bad so much as it enables me to better sort through what’s proper with each group.

Your mileage may vary. :slight_smile:

Anyway, I look forward to final solution to the Mike question.

Actually, I do the same thing. I surprise myself by calling him a friend so quickly - and no, I am not trying to save face by saying this.

And he speaks to me as if I’m straight…though there is the possibility that he just thinks he is being polite by not bringing my sexuality up. shrug

I really do appreciate all of the advice so far, and I apologise if I am being a little too wordy by replying to everyone. I am just used to that.

Just posting to say Hi and your writing is great. Entertaining even when you’re talking about almost nothing :), and though you sometimes talk about nothing you end up saying a lot. You sound like a well-worth-knowing person. I am interested in reading the update. As for the sexuality thing, I agree that he’s been throwing his sexuality (which sounds pretty straight to me) in your face and if you don’t say anything, it’s almost like you’re keeping something from him. It’s NOT walking in a room and saying, “Hi! I’m gay.” I hope it goes OK when you do tell him, if you do…

In college? Not AFAIK. I was a member of the Roleplaying Club, the Quijotes and the Cooking Club and neither appears anywhere on my college paperwork.

I am absolutely blushing! Thank you so much - you’ve made my day. I’ll update in a bit…need to play Apples to Apples with my other friends(so I don’t totally ignore them).

I apologise in advance if this update turns out to be unnecessary to the whole, only I really need an outlet and you guys are pretty good with advice, too.

~S.P.I.~

It happened on a Monday. Nothing in particular actually happened, I just wanted to say that…
Monday

I got up extra early from sheer anticipation - not only because I was going to eat lunch with “Elmark” but also because I was eager to get back to school. Learning is my drug and I am addicted.

When I arrived, I lallygagged around the campus - walking here and there, sitting on several benches, going through several doors. Eventually I sat down, feeling satisfied with the placement, and opened a book. When I looked up, however, I found that I was sitting in front of the building “Elmark” had Political Science in. I read for a while until I considered the possible events that might occur should he walk out. I mean, to a casual(or tense, if you prefer) observer I was basically *stalking * him.

Fearing the implications of such an act, I shoved my book back in my bag and waltzed in the direction of the Cafeteria. Admittedly, this wasn’t making me less of a stalker - just a relocated one. I tried to read there, but my thoughts of what might happen sent me staring at everyone who apparated through the door.

Finally he showed up - I shot a glance, my eyebrows rose - and looked at me. He then proceeded to keep moving. I thought to myself, did I do something wrong? Does he not want to buy me lunch?, as I went around the other way to follow him.

I found him at the vending machine, putting change in, and immediately my stomach sank. It wasn’t going to be fed.

“Hey,” I said tentatively, eying the dimes like they were an evil stepmother come to take my glass slippers away, “I just wanted to find you, since I knew you would be here.”

I didn’t mention the deal he made with me. I didn’t want to seem ungrateful - after all, he didn’t have to feed a random acquaintance.

“Sixty, Seventy…” He was counting change, looking guilty. I stood there in the awkward moment. “I looked for you outside, but couldn’t find you…so I was just coming inside to get us something and then I was going to go back outside to wait for you.”

“Oh, cool.”

“I am sorry man. You’re going to have to choose something in here for a dollar…”

I awaited his explanation, for I knew it was coming.

“Man, I feel really sick…I’ve been puking all morning…I didn’t feel up to making anything last night…I didn’t bring any money with me.”

“No, it’s cool,” I say, understanding why I came here. It wasn’t to have a free lunch; it was to be around him. How pathetic! “I don’t mind, really…”

“You’ve got a lot of options,” He continued, as if I hadn’t said anything, “There’s trail-mix, and that stuff, and chips, and…just choose whatever you want.”

“I’ll take…”

“Just choose whatever you want. They have…”

I eyed him with annoyance. I got it dude, I need to make a decision. Now if you would just let me press the two flippin’ buttons, we can move on…

“A-Six.” I voice, pressing the buttons in turn. Jalapeno chips fall down and I continue in saying that I don’t really care at all about what didn’t happen.

He looks at his options now, with earnest, as if choosing lottery numbers. I was curious suddenly - suspicious.

“Do you…Do you drink?” I ask.

“No, man. I don’t drink, man - I see what you’re insinuating.” He picked trail mix and took it out.

“No, I am not insinuating at all - see, I am asking. Insinuating is indirect.” I say quickly, and we continued on our way.

We step outside.

“So, where are we going?” He asks me.

“Shima, of course.”

“No, man - it is too early for class.”

“I know - that doesn’t mean we can’t sit around there.”

“I don’t want to sit around there.” He whines.

“There are lots of nice places to sit there.” I lie.

“No, there isn’t.”

“Alright, there isn’t, but it is somewhere!”

This seems to have settled it. We are walking towards the Shima building. We are walking. We are walking. Wait, where are we going?"

“Where are we going?”

“Not to Shima.” He chimes.

“Yes, I see that - where?” I press, my grumpy mood all too obvious now.

We walk behind Shima and to a mound; a pine cone tree, one of its branches bent unnaturally, shades us from the sun.

“See, this is pretty comfortable.” He tells me, though this quote at least is a paraphrase.

“Yes, it looks comfy.” I reply honestly.

“See this is my place - our place - and our tree.” He gestures fervently, then proceeds to plop down. I sit next to him despite the fact that sitting on the grass tends to make me itchy.

I liked that he called it our place, though knew know he didn’t mean anything gay by it. When he laid down I tensed up. His shirt was just long enough to cover his stomach when he was walking, but not when he was laying on his back, forearms up.

Something one should know about me - I like skin. Not in the sense of the phrase, show some skin, but actual skin. Especially skin in usually covered areas, of course. I sometimes joke to myself that I was a cannibal in a former life. Now I am deviating.

I hated that he was teasing me so, even if he was completely unaware of it. His Calvin Klein underwear announced itself in white with gray letters. I took out my handy water bottle to distract myself, and it worked.

Water. Water. Water. Delicious water. Delicious water that makes me carelessly use fragmented sentences. Water. Water. Water.

Return to “Elmark”:

There were several conversations, most of which have unexpectedly fallen from my brain. Here’s random clips:

“You look dapper today. Stepping it up, eh?”
“No. I am just poor. I have a very limited cycle. This just happened to be on my cycle.”
“So Monday is your blue button up shirt, day?”
“No, I just hadn’t worn it yet.”
“Well I can help you in that area.”
“How?”
He became extremely vague at this point and disjointed from the conversation. I found this to be annoying. I was already grumpy.
“Well? How are you helping me?”
“Well…”
“We don’t wear the same size.”
“No.”
“I don’t need help picking out my clothes; I do that on my own just fine.”
And so on. I don’t think he ever explained himself.

. . . .

“That guy looks weird.”
“Hey, that isn’t nice.”
Moment of silence.
“I’m not even religious and even * I * am less judgmental than you are.”
This was after several comments critiquing people walking past.
“Well you haven’t been criticizing me.”
“I have, you just haven’t noticed.” He said with a smile. I hate his smiles - simply because I love them.
“No, you haven’t.”
“Yes - I talked about your clothes.”
“Talking about my clothes is not the same as talking about my physical appearance.” I said. While saying this, I thought to myself…I wonder if a dash would be appropriate here?.
“Well, we’ll get to that in a moment.” He said in another smile. I blushed and waved my hands about.
“No, we are never - ever - talking about my appearance. Just no.” I have no qualms about my appearance - I think I am adorable - but I didn’t want to hear my crush’s opinion. I took note at this point in time that he had gold specks in his iris.

. . . .

“We should ditch school.”
“Why would we want to do that?” I asked, amazed. I had never skipped school in my life, and I had to bite back my curiosity.
“Come on - get two hot chicks from tutoring class and take them to Togo’s.”
“Togo’s? Isn’t that a clothing store?” I said, and I still have no idea what it is. “Wait, and I thought you said you didn’t have any money?”
“Well fine,” He said, “We’ll go to Mr. Pickle’s[something like that] and get coupons.”
“No.”

After this we stopped talking. I read my book for a while, trying my best not to watch him sleep. He didn’t snore at all. Finally I got up.

“I’ll see you in class.”
“Is it time?”
“No, I just need to go pee…and you’re sleeping.”
“Sorry man, I am so tired…”
“It’s fine, you need the sleep.”

That was the last I spoke with him. He tried sitting at my table in Lab, but resigned to a seat next to it. Afterwards I wanted to speak to another Lab person instead, so I said goodbye to him. He lallygagged at the door, holding it open for me, though I took a good minute. He stayed where we usually met until it was clear I was walking the other way.

I did turn around and walk downstairs with him, because the other buddy was taking the elevator and I preferred the stairs.

“Elmark” and I parted then. He is bringing me a sandwich tomorrow.

Sorry, I have to go…so I am trying to wrap it up. Nothing really important, except it seems I got some of my will back.

Wish me luck for tomorrow!

~S.P.I.~

Huh?

This is like the gay Pajama Pants Girl.

<cough>FAKE!</cough>

Can’t you just hit the Craigslist m2m personals and be done with it?

Stop right there. He refers to male friends as “bro.” Totally gay.

No, you really shouldn’t. I’m just about as unhomophobic as a straight person can be and I have a bunch of gay friends (really!) and a gay boss and I’d be freaked out if somebody sent me that - male or female.

On the other hand, since I’m not Mike, I think you’re a terrific writer… but probably a lousy lay.

I know, I know. I was ratcheting up the sarcasm and all that…