Well said Techchick.
I simply can’t believe that Crunchy had anything to do with this. As far as I can tell, he wouldn’t have anything to gain by it. But I’m a newbie and admit that I had never even heard the name “Honesty” before reading this thread. Ron is the first person from this board that I’ve kind of gotten to know outside of the board - and he doesn’t seem the type to knowingly participate in something like this. IMHO
Crunchy; awhile back, on the 3FMB, Honesty posted another hoax thread, which generated sympathy from the good folks there. (I ain’t gonna post a link in order to draw out this sad soap.) I e-mailed both her and you, in order to clarify a point. Her reply was a bit odd and inviting me further into her drama. Yours was lucid, apologetic and protective of her in a kind way.
Based on that, I stand behind you in this. You’re involved with a person whose damage in life has caused her to become seriously twisted in the odd corridor of mind. She needs professional help to navigate out of the morass. Please help her seek it. You can only do so much for her.
I saw the Tassie thread late last night after working a long day. I’m usually compassionate, and care a lot about the folks here. But something about that thread set up my alarm bells, and I didn’t post. Went to bed feeling shitty: “Jeez, L, This lady’s kid is Dying, and you are a suspicious twit?” I felt bad. didn’t reply to any other posts cause I was feelin’ like a shithead. I guess now I’m glad to see that my bullshit detector’s batteries haven’t worn out after decades of use, but…
She’s really sick, Crunchy. That sickness is hurting people here who haven’t even met y’all. I can’t imagine how it affects you IRL. If she won’t get help, get some yourself, before it encompasses you as well.
This is some fucking funny ass shit people.
Crunchys Ex psycho girlfriend has everyone on edge and she loves it. Go ahead an feed her, become jaded if you must.
If I am not correct in this assumption I’m sure the mods will deal with it appropriately.
:Ahem: Guilty as charged, for those of you who still haven’y perused Mr. Cynical’s thread in the Pit.
Couple of small points though:
I didn’t post ‘across the fora’. I posted a very brief message in GQ and Great Debates. Which were promptly and most appropriately shut down, with explanation. Please see Mr. C’s thread for additional details.
I had never heard of that person until a couple of days ago. As Chris said, yes, her story did hit a note with me, among others it seems. It was simply a spontaneous (and, it turned out, ill advised) gesture on my part.
As for there being more than one person perpetrating the scam, if it isn’t already obvious, I must politely decline any participation.
Crunchy; awhile back, on the 3FMB, Honesty posted another hoax thread, which generated sympathy from the good folks there. (I ain’t gonna post a link in order to draw out this sad soap.) I e-mailed both her and you, in order to clarify a point. Her reply was a bit odd and inviting me further into her drama. Yours was lucid, apologetic and protective of her in a kind way.
Based on that, I stand behind you in this. You’re involved with a person whose damage in life has caused her to become seriously twisted in the odd corridor of mind. She needs professional help to navigate out of the morass. Please help her seek it. You can only do so much for her.
I saw the Tassie thread late last night after working a long day. I’m usually compassionate, and care a lot about the folks here. But something about that thread set up my alarm bells, and I didn’t post. Went to bed feeling shitty: “Jeez, L, This lady’s kid is Dying, and you are a suspicious twit?” I felt bad. didn’t reply to any other posts cause I was feelin’ like a shithead. I guess now I’m glad to see that my bullshit detector’s batteries haven’t worn out after decades of use, but…
She’s really sick, Crunchy. That sickness is hurting people here who haven’t even met y’all. I can’t imagine how it affects you IRL. If she won’t get help, get some yourself, before it encompasses you as well.
If someone must know, I’ll discuss this in email, not on the public board.
kellibelli:
So I explained this as best I could. Two posters have been to my place - Nymysys and Dyno Saur. They should be able to verify that I don’t have a computer at home. If Honesty’s IP can be traced to Illinois, they can also both verify that I live in north St Louis County, in Missouri. This won’t satisfy your suspicions most likely, but it’s the best I can do to try to prove a negative.
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Ok Sherlock, let’s go back to the very beginning - to the Ods Bodkin debacle. Hypothetically, I create ‘Honesty’ and then begin to post embarassing things about myself. Then, using my ‘Honesty’ puppet, I blow up on ‘Bodkin’, getting all three names banned (don’t forget, BratMan was banned for a while there). That’s pretty fucking stupid, isn’t it?
Then after ‘Honesty’ is banned, I repeatedly bring her back only to turn her in myself to the admins. What’s the fucking point in that? Have you bothered to ask TubaDiva about the times I’ve given her information that led to banning one of Honesty’s puppets? Have you done any research or are you going to continue spewing out your speculative accusations at me with no evidence outside what that paranoid sponge between your ears came make up?
Why don’t you stop to think about how stupid your accusations are before saying one more thing about it. And how about you email TubaDiva and ask her about the times I’ve gotten Honesty banned from here in the past. Why would I create puppet after puppet pretending to be my GF just to turn her in myself in private emails to the mods, which no one knew about until I brought it up here.
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This I will admit was a mistake on my part, but I saw no harm in it. If the mods and admins wish to ban me for this, I’ll accept and leave quietly. But I told Coldfire right after he congratulated me on initiative that Honesty had made the card and I was just posting a link, and didn’t receive any warnings or told of any wrongdoing by any mod or admin.
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So you honestly think if I left she wouldn’t be back? I can not control her. I cannot stop her from doing everything I wouldn’t like her to do. I don’t know how to guarantee she’ll never be back, but I’m doing what I can.
In the meantime, you better put your accusations of me in their place, because I’m getting sick of being accused of shit I didn’t do.
And elelle, I have been encouraging her to see a therapist. She’s told me she is. When I see her tonight, I’m asking for his name and phone number, just to verify. I’m trying to help her as best I can.
I did a HUGE amount of reading of both message boards last night once it was brought to my attention that “Honesty” had pulled this kind of stunt before.
Last time she pulled a stunt like this Crunchy was subjected to exceptional scrutiny, and I don’t believe that the admins of this board would have failed to take action against Crunchy had there been so much as a sniff of complicity.
Readers of both boards will be aware of just how quickly action was taken yesterday when the true identity of Little Tassie was revealed.
Let’s trust the admins of both boards that if their actions against “Honesty” were so swift and decisive and yet Crunchy is still welcome on both boards it is because they have found no evidence whatsoever of any complicity on his part in her actions.
That said Crunchy, do us all a favour and find yourself a nice, sane girlfriend.
{{{{Crunchy}}}}
I can say a few things with regard to the questions raised in this thread.
Crunchy Frog says he’s alerted the administration whenever he spotted someone who appeared to be his GF on the boards. I can attest that a number of times, this did indeed occur. He goes on to say:
Using the five-minute-apart IP numbers in the thread obfus suggested, I can state the following:
Crunchy Frogs IP resolves to AT&T, in New Jersey. It appaears to be a corporate IP range.
Little Tassies IP resolves to Charter Communications, St. Louis, MO.
Neither trace shows irregularities.
This is not information we share normally, as you will understand. But as this is the only concrete evidence we have, I feel it my duty to state that Crunchy Frog does not appear to be sharing an internet connection with Little Tassie/Honesty/Whatever. As far as I’m concerned, he is not to blame for this trainwreck. And I hate to see him in a negative light because of actions he had no control over.
He is, however, to be blamed for being incredibly naive. Ron, that girl’s not gonna change. You stated you do not wish to go into detail here, and I respect that. But take this from someone who just tried to save your ass: she has no respect for you if she keeps pulling these insane stunts. Let her go - you’re a great guy, and there’s lots of women out there for you. The odds are that the majority of them won’t display the tendency to make up stories about 4 year olds dying of cancer.
Feeling sorry for someone is NOT the basis of a healthy relationship.
I’d like to touch on something Magdalene said. ( I’d like to touch on Magdalene too, but hell… 
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Why is it that THIS situation is making alarms go off? It’s likely because it strikes to the very heart of what makes any message board community work. A common thread ( pardon the pun ) and then humanity. I’m not being facetious in any way here. Case in point:
I’m active on AOL. ( I know, save the slings and arrows ). In the chat room where I reside, there was a woman who had been there for some months. Making friends, sharing similar experiences- the human condition, not the Internet condition. This woman slowly convinced about 25-30 adults that she was dying of cancer. She got her husband in on it too. She got us to send her airplane tickets to meet people, money for her kids to eat. The whole shebang.
Zoom ahead 18 months in time. She is now under investigation by the FBI for wire fraud… and this chat room is a part of that. We all so deeply wished to believe that our own sense of propriety, of judging people by their words and therefore their ideals and morals, was valid and strong. So many people were duped. Some, for immense amounts of money.
I’m wary. Moreso than before. And yet, I have to believe that what I read is the truth. Even if I dislike the persona behind the words, I BELIEVE THAT THEY BELIEVE THEIR WORDS, and therefore…they are valid. This kind of deception destroys validity. Sickening, and sad.
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Ron -
I’m gonna keep this short. I believe you. I know, in a way, what loving someone who is an idiot sometimes can be like. I’ve had my issues with Honesty, but I believe you here.
If you want a friendly shoulder to vent to, you have my email, hon. big hugs
Er, for the record, it wasn’t me; I never posted anything anywhere about any of this mess. I believe you’re thinking of omni-not.
Sorry about the lagging double-post. I was disconnected (from the I-way) and couldn’t tell if it had gone through. Delete at will. Sorry fer tha work…
Thank you Coldfire. This is not the first time you’ve posted on my behalf and I have no way of telling you how much it is appreciated.
I don’t think the IPs are going to help much, since I was expecting my IP to be traced back to St Louis, not New Jersey (I had no idea that’s where the proxy IP address resolves to). And the Charter Communication is the cable company through which Honesty has her WorldGate connection, which is basicaly WebTV.
Thank you for the other words you also had for me Coldy. For someone who’s been through what I have in my life, I still tend to be incredibly naive and I won’t hold anything against you for saying what you’ve said. I just feel such a huge responsiblity towards her and if I don’t help her I can’t see who else will.
In light of all that’s gone on, I think maybe it’ll be best if I have my posting privileges taken away. Maybe if I’m not here anymore, she won’t come back either.
Max, I am SO sorry, mea culpa.
I still have my original question: Why were people cross-posting THIS stuff and not other stuff? C’mon, we’ve had grandparents die, children who are sick, divorce, terminal diseases, depression, suicide attempts - when did the gravity of a situation ever make it okay to plaster it all over the place? Reprise, I understand that the stuff struck a chord with you, you seem like a very kind person, as do all the folks who got taken in by Freaky Bimbo Tigress (the fact that her real first name is “Honesty” is ironic enough for Aristophanes). But people, don’t DO that!
is your posting privileges are taken away, she wins - pure and simple.
The only way I ever want to see Crunchy Frog leaving this message board is if the mods/admins have found good cause to ask you to leave. Clearly, that has not happened.
Yes, many of us are feeling like we have been made fools of (not the least of all me). I sincerely hope that you, like the rest of us, will choose to stay part of a worthwhile, vibrant community rather than worry about 15 minutes of egg on your face.
For anyone who hasn’t been listening; the admins of two separate message boards have found no reason to suspect Crunchy of anything other than extreme loyalty and bad taste in women. Yes IPs can be spoofed, but for goodness sake the admins have caught many people doing that before. If the admins of both FFF and SDMB are both satisfied that Crunchy isn’t a co-conspirator here, what does questioning their judgement achieve? Nothing at all except providing a target.
You have my email addy Crunchy, please feel free to use it : and by all means take a break to regroup from this, but at least stop in and say “hi” occasionally. m’kay?
I just have to point out the supreme irony in a poster named HONESTY, who makes up stories. That’s her real name? That’s just fucking surreal.
Kelli-what the HELL? Who pissed in your cheerios? I thought we weren’t supposed to make accusations about trolling in public? Hmmm? I don’t think Crunchy, of all people, would bother being a troll. Jesus Christ with extra cheese, what the HELL is your deal, anyways?
Crunchy’s always been a pretty kickass poster in my book, and he hasn’t really done anything to warrant this. Good god, people.
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Reprise, I understand that the stuff struck a chord with you, you seem like a very kind person, as do all the folks who got taken in by Freaky Bimbo Tigress (the fact that her real first name is “Honesty” is ironic enough for Aristophanes). But people, don’t DO that![/quote}
Trust me, the “don’t do that” message has been well and truly received. I’ve said it publicly in my ill-judged thread, I’ve said it privately in emails to Lynn, and I’ve already said it in this thread : I’m really sorry that I did the totally wrong thing with all the best intentions. It won’t happen again.
I hope I get this out before Lynn gets my email:
I have asked for my posting privileges to be revoked. But I don’t see this as anyone ‘winning’ anything. I can always ask to be reinstated. This is not the first time I’ve asked to be temporarily banned, btw. I did it before to write my novel, but then spent my tax return money before buying a home PC. I am going to take a break. This is the second time I’ve been the butt of a witch hunt and I have enough shit going on without having to defend myself here.
I’m on the downswing of my depression (for those of you who don’t know, I’m depressant), I feel like shit 3 days a week because of physical therapy for my tore up knee, and regardless of the good advice I’ve been given, I still believe Honesty needs help, not rejection right now. I’m going to see to it that she gets that help, regardless of what happens to our relationship. Whether we break up, get married, date but see other people - whatever - Honesty is someone I care about and she needs help. If I don’t help her get the help she needs I really don’t know how else she’ll get it.
Plus I need to write that fucking novel of mine before another year goes by and I rationalize away reasons why I haven’t started writing page one.
So I’m taking a break. No hard feelings on my end towards anyone here. I understand you all feel you’ve been had, but think about how I feel right now. I’ve been had too, believe it or not. But I forgive people. I move on. And even if you can’t forgive, you can still move one.
Ron,
You know that I’m behind you 100% in this situation. We’ve talked enough about it. What you’ve said makes more sense to me than the converse, and having e-mailed and talked to you on the phone, I’d like to think I’ve learned a little about your character. But I don’t agree that you leaving is the necessary, or right thing. I know I’m not anything more than a fellow poster here, but to me, that’s along the lines of letting yourself be guilty until proven innocent. That’s not fair to you. You shouldn’t allow her actions to take something from you that you enjoy. As far as I’m concerned, you haven’t done anything wrong other than the poor judgement of who you love. And I was guilty of that for 7 years, so I can’t judge you on that. So why should you be punished for it?
I know my thoughts don’t matter much to too many people, but I had to put my 2 pennies into the mix.
I am truly hurt.
Every three months since my four year old was two, we have been taking trips to the big university hospital with him close to death. The slightest bump to the head when his platelets get low and he can die of a brain hemmorage.
There is no cure for this. All medical sience has is a quick fix. A four hour IV in the arm of a two year old child. Not even old enought to understand why he is getting poked and proded by every doctor under the sun.
Changing is diaper and finding blood, or seeing him covered from head to toe in bruises.
His disease is called ITP (IdioThromburaPurpela)it is an autoimmune disease. They don’t know what causes it, they don’t know how to fix it.
In the midst of all of this in the last year my oldest son hit by a car and in ICU. In a full body cast.
With both of my sons I lived at the hospital. The nurses and family had to fight with me to get me to go home a few hours to rest and then come back.
No wonder I had a mild heart attack last May. In one month I had both my boys in the hospital. What brave little souls they are, and I get my strength from them. It’s pretty bad when a four year old child is used to being poked with needles every month for a CBC.
“my, what a big boy sitting in the chair all by himself so we can do this draw” Nurse
“yeah, it’s pretty sad isn’t?” Me
I write all this because this woman (for lack for a better word)has no idea what parents go through. Even parents who don’t have very sick kids go through the pain on some level.
Watching your kids struggle with school is heartbreaking, getting a stubbed toe can make you tear up.
She is sick and that is sad. And hopefully this child is a figment of a twisted mind and not some child that is being toyed with.
This won’t change my mind about wishing people well, and I will be there to lend a helping hand.
Does she realise how many people she hurt? Or is this something she gets a kick out of? I mean we can all guess that it was for attention for her, but what if it was just to see how many people she could kick around emotionally.
Crunchy, I have always enjoyed your posts, but if this was a woman you were involved with how could you not know if she had a child or not, and if it was ill or not? I am asking, because I can’t remember the particulars of your relationship with her. Was it totally internet and this is why you didn’t know?
Anyway, she will be paid back for this in one way or another. Be it Karma or the law of three or whatever you believe in, it will come back to her.
All I know is that it will take to long for my satisfaction.