Signs of female interest

Ah, OK, I think I get the question.

This is just my own personal experience, of course. But in general I don’t date my friends. I’ve been out on dates with some women where it just wasn’t on, and sometimes we ended up as friends. I’m going out to dinner with one such friend in a couple of hours.

But if I meet a woman that I have a romantic or sexual interest in, then I make sure that that’s the dynamic right from the start.

From there it’s more or less an escalation from conversation to touching to the bedroom. It might take place over a few hours (yeah, I wish) to several weeks or even longer. If at any time she puts up resistance, it can general go one of three ways: We decide we’re not right for each other and part ways, we decide we’re not right for each other and become friends, or she needs for us to slow down but it’s going to happen eventually. In that last case I slow down even more than she wants and I give her some space to get used to the idea. If things are really on she very well might be the one to push it to the next level.

I can think of a couple of cases in my recent past where “No” meant “Not yet.”

In one case, she walked through my front door, I kissed her, then led her to my bed. Her “No” was that she wanted to take her boots off first. Ten minutes later (these were some serious boots), I was giving her the time of her life.

In another, I went for the panties. Her “No” was “I’m on my period, but will you spend the night with me?” That was at the beginning of the best relationship I’ve ever had.

Does that answer your question?

TDN,

Much more so. The times she put up resistance, in what way did she put up resistance and what happened immediately afterward, before you had the talk about the 3 options?

OK, good, I’m glad we’re starting to understand each other better.

I’m getting less resistance lately, probably because I’m starting to get a better Spidey-sense of what she will go for and when. But there are so many permutations it’s hard for me to tell you anything that I would call typical. I guess I can give you three examples that kind of run the gamut. In none of these examples was I trusting my gut, at least consciously, because that’s kind of a new concept for me.

Example 1: When I was in high school, there was a girl who liked me. I never did ask her out, largely because I didn’t even know her name. But she was always trying to corner me and get close. At one point we found ourselves alone and ended up making out. Several times I inched a hand up to her breast, and each time she pushed it away. We never talked about it, and in fact we never stopped kissing. She didn’t get upset that I was trying, we just kept making out. We graduated high school and I never saw her again. To this day I don’t know her name.

Example 2: About ten years ago, I started hanging out with a friend of friends. We began to spend more and more time alone together, and one night we just started kissing. Pretty soon she was coming over to my place several nights a week. We’d always end up making out, and I’d always try to escalate the sexual stuff. Usually she’d let me get so far, then say “nuh uh”, maybe pushing my hand away. But we’d always keep making out. Things eventually got to the point where we gave each other oral sex, but she was always a bit reluctant. Her ultimate resistance was to my trying to establish our friendship as a relationship. She called one night and said that things were just not working out. She wanted to remain friends, but I was emotionally devastated – I loved her very intensely by then. She since got married. I would love to be friends with her again, and I don’t think it would be weird.

Example 3: I was out on a first date with someone a few months ago. Our conversation was deep and intense and fantastic. At one point I reached over the table and grabbed her hand. I honestly can’t tell you whether my gut was telling me if it was a good or bad idea. My brain thought it was a great idea, though. As the night progressed, I kept holding her hand. But she didn’t hold mine. She was totally passive. She never yanked it away, she just kind of put up with it. As we were walking to the train station to part ways, my gut came up with a wonderful idea. I stopped her, turned to face her, pulled her in, and put my tongue in her mouth. Far from resisting, she kissed me back pretty aggressively. We got to the train station and said goodnight. The next morning she e-mailed me to tell me that she just wasn’t feeling attraction to me. We never spoke again.

Other than that, my usual resistance story is trying to go for the kiss at the end of a date, and getting a handshake instead. I never called for a second date in those cases. I’ve never been slapped, never had someone walk out in a huff, and never had a woman freak out on me. And I’ve never lost a friend over it, except for example 2. But like I said, I don’t usually date friends.

As far as talking about the three options, it’s not like I ever gave a girl three option questionnaire, at least not since 4th grade. If I like a woman and think she likes me, I’ll call her. She’ll either say yes or no thanks.

To get back to the heart of your question, what about the 20% when my gut is wrong? Well, we all screw things up every now and then. A bad decision on my part has never ended in true catastrophe. Just lost opportunity, and sometimes a broken heart.

I hope I’m giving you a better understanding! :slight_smile:

I’ll tell a true story, though the only moral of the story may be how out-of-touch with reality septimus tends to be.

In the late 1980’s a friend and I went to a Lyon’s restaurant late one night. We ordered just salad and coffee, I saying I’d look at the menu and probably order dinner later. The attractive waitress and I really seemed to hit it off well, though our total conversation might have been just a single minute.

I did order a steak dinner later; waitress dropped off our check saying her shift was over, and making a confusing statement about manager not liking two checks for one table. When I went to cashier to pay the bill, I found it was just for salad and coffee – no steak dinner. Now what should I do? I didn’t give the matter much thought, but didn’t want waitress to get in trouble, and certainly didn’t want to be in trouble myself, so I told cashier about the steak dinner! She went off and talked to the manager for quite a while.

At some point it suddenly dawned on me that waitress had arranged a free dinner for me as a giant signal of interest, and I’d probably cost her her job. :smack: The free dinner seemed very incongruous; my long-term wives or girlfriends have never stolen for me, and I’d “known” this waitress for one minute!

Anyone else ever experience something like this?

So this woman who knows I 'm married invites me out for drinks after work with a group of people. Turns out the “group of people” was just her.

I’m still not getting it.

Within 5 minutes she asks me if I’ve ever cheated on my wife.

I’m still not getting it.

She says I should.

I’m still not getting it.

She says I should do it with her because she’d totally like to.

It begins to dawn on me that she is probably into me.

Well, I dunno man. You could be misreading the signals. I’d play it safe if I were you.

(In addition to the not cheating on the wife thing).

Yes, something similar happened to me about 5 years ago.

Back then I was working at a computer repair shop. Each day before going to work I would stop to a coffee shop nearby to get a coffee. Everything was fine until that new girl came. She wouldn’t let me pay for the coffee. I didn’t think much about it the first time, because I was a regular customer and the manager had offered me free coffees several times in the past. But she did it again the next day. And the day after that. The whole thing made me feel awkward as hell. The following days I would simply take the coffee and leave the exact amount on the counter. Then she started offering me sweets and sandwiches :smack:

I never accepted anything and she eventually took the message and few days later stopped doing it. The strange thing was that she never did anything else, like asking my name or try to engage me in conversation. I guess she was too shy and offering me freebies was her way of showing interest and then she expected me to make the first step.

She was kinda cute and I was single at the time, but I was shy and inexperienced too, so I didn’t make any moves.

I’ve offered cute girls free stuff, when I was at the counter. Not that it was much, really. A doughnut and a coffee, but none of them were ever so… clueless… as to tell my manager about it (but even if they did, it was a risk I knew I was taking).
I worked at a coffee shop, and after, I guess it was ballet or some kind of dance, this absolutely beautiful teenage girl (I was her age, it wasn’t pervy) came in (in fact, through the time I worked there, there were a few teenage girls at differing times through the day), but this one was stunning. The peak of what a girl her age should look like. It was a miracle I could speak at all.

I told her that as long as I was the one she talked to, she wouldn’t be paying for anything, got her coffee, a doughnut, and when she objected I smiled politely and told her that pretty girls were good for business. She blushed, I asked her out, and we dated for a few weeks until I realized that no matter how pretty she was, she was exactly five times as crazy.
Free stuff works for picking up girls… especially ones who are fucking nuts. So I have to assume it works the other way.

As for getting offered free stuff? Only once, by an elderly woman who I think thought of me more as a nephew or grandchild than potential love interest… at least, i hope…

If they start gathering twigs and straw and building a nest, it’s generally a sign of interest.

Yeah, but who wants to go out with a birdbrain? She might have chirpies. (It’s a canarial disease that’s almost untweetable.)

Or tampons and toothbrushes.

ME, I don’t quite understand your question, but I’ll try to answer from what I can.

  1. Of course, the woman in quesiton didn’t realize that she was putting me in a difficult position. She thought that she was handing me a present that I refused to unwrap. She wondered if I was impotent, or had a such a small penis that I was afraid to show it. She, in short, wanted to give me a round rogering, but, for some reason, unfathomable to her, was being refused by me.
  2. Case law, I suspect, wasn’t in her mind. And, not to be too difficult, I bet that the case was extremely rare, or he had a retard for a lawyer. Or, some lesbo-feminazi for a judge. If you can show me no sexual assault happening, and a sexual assault conviction, then you have something totally, and obviously, wrong.
    3 No doesn’t mean ‘no sex.’ It means ‘no, unless I change my mind, or unless you see that I’m being a flirt, or I’m trying to see if you have any balls, or, I’m an adult female, and if you were even partly grown up, you’d know that and see that this is part of the ritual that we go through, and I’m expecting you to act like the big chief and I want you to take me to your tipi, or, I’m Charlotte and I want Rhett to drag me upstairs.’ No means no only when it means no. I can’t interpret in a case in which I am not involved, and I can only interpret properly about 40 percent of the time, so I had to add the ‘legal’ caveat.
    4 Being non-assholish isn’t a target. It is also not something that the man that gets laid aims for. It is something that somebody that only wants to be called non-assholish, i.e., an asshole, aims for.
    Best wishes,
    hh

Not one to pick at gnats too much, but, if there was no jug grabbing in any of what followed, turn in your…, no better yet, turn in your dictionary, obviously you’re not using it.
(Not to me, of course)
Best wishes,
hh

This WAS, of course, a witty response, so, don’t take offense.
Best wishes,
hh