So pepper behaved in a less-than-divine manner when this snivelling creep assaulted her beliefs? Maybe her religion has a problem with that, but I sure don’t–and I’m sure JC will forgive her (which is not to say “go do what you want, you’ll be forgiven” before you decide to jump me on that one). How do you know that pepperlandgirl believes in “turn the other cheek”? Maybe she doesn’t believe that everything in the Bible is exactly what God mandates us to do. That’s what this argument started over anyway–the Boy Wanker seems to think that your * opinion * of what the Bible means can’t be a valid basis of morality. What if her * opinion * is that the “turn the other cheek” line was just a metaphor for something entirely unrelated? I’m not suggesting that that’s the case, but you don’t know that it isn’t. Seems to me that pepper’s taking the Bible with a grain or two of salt. Personally, I have no objections to that (of course I’m a dirty dirty atheist, so of course I wouldn’t :)).
Besides, if she hadn’t started the thread, I would have. I’m assuming I have the right to defend a religion, despite not being a part of it, don’t I?
Exactly Myrr, you said it better than I could have.
Phil, are you calling my a hypocrite? Oh boo-fucking-hoo. If you are going to call my hypocrite, at least get to know me first, so you can see the truly horrible things I do.
Oh yeah, Drain–you can do anything you want to, because you are way fucking cool. Tell 'em Perfect Phil said so!
Myrr, regardless of what people’s interpretations are, the Bible is it’s believers record of Jesus’ actions and words. And it’s pretty clear that he behaved a certain way, and that he expected his followers to behave a certain way. (When his disciples asked him to rain down fire and brimstone on his detractors, he said, “That ain’t your decision, my friends.”)
So, yes, when I see someone identify themselves as a follower of Christ, and I see them behave in a manner contrary to what Jesus expected of his followers, and I see them do it in the process of criticizing another person for how he practices his faith, then yes, I’m going to comment.
Woohoo! I can do anything I want! I guess I’m going to go take a break from the board now. Raping, pillaging, and murdering can be a real drain on the time resources.
Nice to know that we non-religious folks are free from that “absolute morality” harness, eh?
I didn’t see the little degenerate practicing his faith, except maybe in the first few posts. He assaulted hers–since when is that practicing faith?
But we all know that the Bible’s may have been butchered a thousand different ways. So if pepperlandgirl has made a personal decision to sort out what she feels is an essential part of its teachings, and leave the rest, what’s the problem? Every religion does that. I challenge you to name ** one ** religion that hasn’t at some point–as a group–chosen not to adhere to a certain point in the Bible. if I remember correctly (which I may not), some bits of it even contradict other bits…
Granted, “turn the other cheek” and related quotes are bits that are usually taken at face value, but that’s irrelavant. If pepper’s trying to make sense out of it for herself, it’s better than just taking what a preacher tells you verbatim.
Just as an observation, I see the little gangrenous creep hasn’t made his way in here yet, but has instead chosen to go on vomiting all over the old thread. Come on Snivel, you afraid of a good cookout?
Phil, that’s a load of shit. Every religion has a different interp of the Bible and it’s message. If there weren’t so many different interps, there wouldn’t be so many different Christian faiths. Basically, the only thing we all agree on is the fact that there once as pretty cool guy named Jesus.
Don’t jump on me because THe Bible says one thing or another, and I’m not acting the way it says it too. The Bible is like the internet, you can find anything you want, whether it’s good or bad.
I was offended by his attitude. I am more than willing to accept the variations of all religions and how they view Christ, however, I draw the line when the Bible is used to replace common sense. There is a reason why there’s a seperation of Church and State. He thinks that reason is so tyranny can prosper. Not only did he act like we were all wrong for following the laws of the land, he also went a step further to call a huge amount of people “cultists” and he meant in a derogatory way.
I took offense to this comment, because it implies that society as a whole cannot know the difference between right and wrong without The Bible directing us. It also implies that as long as society functioned as a theocracy, everybody was on the straight and narrow path. That is not the case. Phil, are you going to say that you don’t know the difference between right and wrong because you don’t believe in God. In the thread in question, we were discussing the possible sexual molestation of a 16 year old girl, and he spews that shit?
I took offense to this comment as well. Our government is operating under the rules of tyranny and force cuz we don’t pray to good as a collective group? Because the ultimate law of the land is not The Bible? This offends the intelligence of the entire nation. I pointed out the great and wonderful Bible was used to justify slavery, somebody even gave him the reference, but he refused to acknowledge this. Why?
He KNOWS this? Wow. He doesn’t even know my first name, but he can persume to judge my belief or lack thereof? I took offense to this for the obvious reason. I would take offense to this no matter what, even if I was an atheist. Phil, did you know this is the way you are? How about David B? Is he this way too? Not only did he persume to judge me, he also made a blanket statement regarding a lot of excellent, intelligent posters.
He find out I am not an atheist, I am indeed, LDS. And you know what he posts?
Before I was foaming at the mouth Atheist, now I am part of a cult that is simply evil done in Jesus Christ’s name. He has made persumptions against me, and now he is judging me? What right has he to judge? I must have missed that bulletin telling us that the Messiah has arrived, and he is posting the SDMB under the name of Sneevil.
Is that good enough for you Phil? So you see, it wasn’t simply “He insulted my religion, so I’m gonna be an asshole.” Of course, now that I have spelled this out for you, maybe you can use the grey matter three feet about your ass to understand. But then again, maybe not.
pepperlandgirl, I am not here to defend Sneevil. On the contrary, I find him reprehensible, and I said so. I’m not going to debate his statements, because I find them intellectually indefensible.
My point, my only point in relation to this thread, is this. You told him that, in effect, he gives Christianity a bad name. On the surface, nothing wrong there. However, you did so in the middle of an obscene, hate-filled, disgusting rant.
Now, sure, we can say that all Christian denominations have their own interpretation, blah-blah-blah. But I think they all agree on more than “there once as pretty cool guy named Jesus.” I would argue that they all agree that Jesus was mankind’s savior, and that furthermore, he stood for love and compassion. In fact, he said so himself–he said the second greatest commandment is, “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
I spent my time in the Christian trenches. I spent several years as a believer. I came to my own decisions. And I spent several years thinking all Christians were sanctimonious, bigoted jackoffs. Thanks to several people on this board, I’ve learned otherwise. People like Poly and Lib always try to love, and they always try to rebuke and guide in love. That, if anything, is the essence (IMO) of what Christianity is about. That’s what makes them not only good Christians, but good people.
You, you’re full of hate. So don’t sit there and represent yourself as a good Christian, or some counterexample, when you make it a point to spew stuff like you did above as often as you can. You aren’t about love; you’re about being abusive. If you’re going to tell someone they’re giving Christians a bad name, you better be sure you aren’t doing the same.
Ahh, so I was wrong. The Messiah has returned and is posting under the name of pldennison.
I’m going to say this once, so pay attention.
You do not know me. You do not know what’s in my heart, and you have no right to judge me for any reason. You cannot say that I am full of hate and the opposite of love. Anybody who knows me knows that is not the case. I feel sorry for you that you’ll never get the chance to find that out for yourself.
Oh, and BTW, I never tried to represent myself as a good Christian. Like I said before, get to know me before you call me a hypocrite, that way you know the truly horrible things I do. The fact is, you are wrong. I am in no way, shape or form hypocritical.
PEPPERLANDGIRL, Phil’s point is that you cannot post as you do and simultaneously be true to the tenets of the religion you profess to follow. Seriously, what do you think would be the LDS Church’s take on the following?
The worst thing every done in the name of Christ is that your parents gave birth to you.
You are a waste of space and a waste of air.
You are too stupid to live.
You should be killed.
If you seriously think those ideas are consistent with your religions, why don’t you print your rant out, go show it to your bishop and get back to me on what he thinks of it?
The point is that for someone who professes to “try to follow the teachings of Christ”, you’re sure doing a poor job here, both of “following” and of “trying.”
Now, before I get accused of sanctimonious judging, let me say that I’ve been guilty to the same thing in the past, and probably will be in the future. I’ve called one poster an “asshole” and another a “dickhead” (twice), and at least once was taken to task (gently) by another Christian poster who told me the same thing – that I wasn’t acting very Christian. At the time, I was so mad I didn’t care – about where you are now, I’d imagine. But don’t pile on Phil for noting that you profess one thing but have posted in a way that would indicate something else – you have. Defend your post if you want; defend your right to post it; but don’t pretend Phil’s not absolutely right to point out that contradiction. Feel free to set the “flame-thrower” on “high” if you want, but don’t delude yourself that you’re acting in your “Christian” capacity when you do so.
You do not know Sneevil. You do not know what is in his heart. You have no reason to judge him for any reason.
Except, of course you do. He’s acted like an jerk and you’ve judged him on his posts. Just like Phil has judged you on yours. Do you seriously argue that your initial post could not be reasonably described as “hate-filled”?
So what do you represent yourself as? Most of the people I know are either “good” Christians or trying to be good Christians, most of the time. Just don’t pretend that you’re being true to the tenets of your faith at this moment in time, because you’re just not. To the extend that you profess to “try to follow the teachings of Christ” and post in a way that is fairly antithetical to those very teachings, yes, you are being hypocritical. Sorry, but you are.
And just so we’re clear: If I was in a towering rage and someone stopped by to piously tell me that my actions were not very Christian, they might get a heartfelt “Fuck you!” but I wouldn’t waste my breath trying to tell them they’re wrong, because they wouldn’t be. Annoying, yes; but right just the same.
“I am the Love Everlasting. Whatever men say about me with their minds is vapor. I cannot be known by the mind, but only by the heart. Stop dividing the world between theists and atheists, and start dividing it rightly, as I do. There are those who love, and those who don’t. Those who love, they are my disciples.” — God
I’ve said that same thing before, and I’ll respond how I was responded to: “All I know is what you show me online.” I’ve read a lot of your posts, and I think I’m making a good call. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong, but based on what I’ve seen, I’m not wrong.
I don’t. I’m sure you have good points. Hell, even I have good points. Unfortunately, we don’t get to reduce ourselves only to our good points.
Well, I think you are. I think that telling someone that their birth is the worst thing ever achieved in the name of Christ and that they should have someone beat them to death is about the most un-Christian thing I can think of, and if I was Christian, I’d be appalled to be grouped with you.
Besides, I can say with absolute confidence that anytime Jodi and I agree on something, I’m correct. Jodi thinks I’m an asshole, but she’s an intelligent professional woman, and wouldn’t agree with me (especially if I’m in the minority) if she didn’t think there was merit in what I say.
Well phil, there you go with that name calling thing again. I thought we already went over that? Oh yes, I forgot I wasn’t worthy enough to even be responded to in our last set of exchanges, even though I did post that I sympathised greatly with your recent troubles w.r.t. moving. Who was it - was it Pz who said that you shouldn’t have to “waste your time on someone with a 3-digit post count?”
I didn’t see pepperlandgirl start that in this thread - did I miss something?
Wow, that’s pretty mean even for you when you’re angry phil. Sure you don’t want to edit that somewhat? It’s never too late to forgive. I forgave you your name-calling because it was obvious you were a good, passionate guy who had a lot of stress in his life.
Is PLG a “perfect” Christian? Of course not, and she never claimed to be. Is she “full of hate”? Wow - that’s not what I’ve seen of her. Are Christians even allowed to respond with flames when they are flamed or take great offence to someone? Or does just the act of flaming back mean that they are not a good Christian, so as a result their whole point is invalidated automatically?
I’ve met NO true Christians in my life that would do exactly “what jesus would do” in even most situations. Because people are by definition flawed and sinners, and as a result they do flawed and sinful things sometimes. Which they will either repent later or regret eternally, according to their beliefs.
I mean, I guess since you were in the habit recently of referring to a female poster on this board as a “cunt” you must therefore be filled with hate as well? Of course not, phil. I name call too when I’m angry, but rarely do it first. And I know I must either repent or regret. And I’m not even a Christian - just someone who wishes they were!
Geez, can I remind people that this is the Pit? In general I have found Pepperlandgirl to be thoughtful and considerate. This complete jerk attacked her in the most offensive and ignorant way possible, and she came here to vent! It’s clear to me that her post was in the nature of semi-humorous hyperbole for the purpose of letting of some steam. Somehow, just posting, “Boy, that Sneevil is such a darn meanie. I wish he would be nice,” does not have the same impact as her eloquent rant. I’m 100% sure she would not actually advocate anyone murdering this twerp with his own CPU, no matter how tempting the prospect is.
Oh, and I must be right about this, I guess, because I totally disagree with Pepper’s religious beliefs, so any agreement I have with her is obviously the unassailable Truth.
Am I the only one who sees the irony (not the good kind) in, “You give us Christians a bad name, you goat-fucking, child-raping coprophage!”?
Sorry, Mom. In any case, you’ll find my posts in this thread remarkably profanity-free, don’t you think. I’m trying to tell someone that if they are going to self-identify as a Christian, maybe they oughta think closely about how they talk to people. You know, how you told me that, if I was going to be a vegetarian, maybe I oughta think about what organizations I join and how they behave? You remember that?
I let the thread drop because it was neither the time nor the place to continue the discussion in the direction it was going. You were free to start another or e-mail me anytime you wanted. My e-mail address is right there.
Who was it - was it Pz who said that you shouldn’t have to “waste your time on someone with a 3-digit post count?”
Um, the whole thread?
I’m positive I don’t want to edit it. I’ve read a lot of her posts, and what I mostly see, especially in the Pit or GD, is PLG trying to come up with a cleverly worded epithet to call someone.
You want my opinion? In my opinion, people calling themselves “Christians” should defer to Jesus’ words on the matter, and he was pretty clear on it.
Hey, she’s on my side in this thread. You leave her alone! Also, I apologized to her, and she accepted. If Jodi wanted to describe me as “filled with hate,” that’d be her prerogative.
