So I think I need some help

It’s great that you went through with telling your husband. Yes, it will take him some time and it probably won’t be a straight path, but you did the right thing.

Alcoholism is a disease and, like any life-threatening disease, it takes it toll on families, too. The difference from this and discovering that you have a long course of diabetes treatment to embark on is that, in this case, you are “required” feel ashamed and your husband get to feel angry. Families of cancer patients feel frustrated and angry, too. They just aren’t allowed to show it.

Anyway, when you talk to the counselor, be sure to ask what kind of family education and resources they offer.

Well done bailey!

Here’s what I was thinking about his reaction: give him permission to be mad, even if it hurts. He has a right to be mad. It’s not really at you, it’s at alcoholism, even if he doesn’t know that yet. But he can be mad, because it sucks. Because it’s hard, and scary, and dangerous.

After being mad, hopefully he can shift the anger mainly towards the alcoholism, and make some room for support for you.

I just recently had a really tough talk with my SO, though about something else. It’s stuff I feel mad about too, but I can’t really be mad at him. That doesn’t always make the anger just go away. I need to be angry at depression. More than anything else, I am so proud of him for being courageous when he talks to me, so brave for taking this monster on. And I am so proud that we are stepping in a scary future together, we are going to make things better!

So give him a little time, and I think he will see what he needs to be angry about, and who he needs to be proud of :slight_smile:

Just one more thing: smoking pot regularly can really change your mood. How often do you go long periods of time not smoking? Because that could be a huge reason you felt much better when you were pregnant. Pot is insidious like that. I have so many friends who smoke/d every day. Quitting completely fundamentally changed them. They literally all said they had no idea that it had such an effect on their mental state. It can make you constantly grumpy, lethargic, withdrawn, worried, desensitised.

What he’s seeing is that you only got up the courage to have that very difficult talk after he found your stashed bottle. In other words, you 'fessed up when you got caught.

I’m glad you’re getting the help you need. I’m not an alcoholic, but one of the steps, as I recall, is apologizing and making amends to the people you’ve wronged. You do this not to get forgiveness - that’s up to the people you’ve hurt - but to acknowledge openly that you were at fault. Only then can you move forward trying not to make the same mistakes again. Your recovery has to be based on you, not on other people’s actions or words.

Good luck to you.

StG

I’m sorry, but that is bonkers. That is as asinine as the Greek notion of fate.
We are responsible for our choices and the consequences and have plenty of free will. Saying otherwise means none of us are responsible for anything we do, and that is just nuts.

How could it be possible to tell whether or not we have free will?

We at least have a choice to do or not do something. To say otherwise would mean there is no point in trying to stop drinking, to resist killing anyone, to get up and get dressed and go to work, etc.
If that isn’t free will, what is it?

I think you’re right about one source of his anger and making amends is one of the 12 steps.

It’s not the first step, though–it’s not even in the first half of the 12. Making amends for years of lies and bad behavior comes after some sober time. It’s tempting for alcoholics to try and fix things immediately and get back to normal, but that’s not going to happen.

cher - Yeah, he’s going to be mad for a while, probably. I’m just trying to get baileygrrrl to see that he has a right to his anger. Trust and a willingness to help are things that they’ll have to build together in time. It doesn’t happen over night, and it especially doesn’t happen when he’s standing there with a bottle in his hand.

StG

How do you know?

It doesn’t mean that at all. If we don’t have free will, then deciding to try to quit drinking isn’t a choice, so we can’t choose not to.

I’m not saying we DON’T have free will, but I think it’s impossible to know either way. All the choices we make are the only choices we make so there’s no way to know if we really could have chosen otherwise.

Yeah, StGermain I think we are on the same page.

I just hope that you know, baileygirrrl that it’s okay if your first step on the road to recovery is messy, as long as you keep on. If him finding another bottle is what it takes, that’s fine.

** baileygrrrl **
I didn’t notice this thread 'till now. I hear a lot of my own story in your postings. Especially the bit about drinking so you don’t have to feel. Though I passed on the other chemicals, I was where you are for the better part of a decade, maybe more…I wasn’t keeping a diary or a logbook of my drinking.

As of today it has been six months since I took a drink. Every one of those months has been better than the one that came before, and while I have good days and worse days, on average they keep getting better. When I have quit for a few months at a time previously, it was a constant struggle, and I was rarely happy or pleasant to be around. This time I finally went back to AA (after 17 years) and took the program seriously. I haven’t wanted to drink once in those six months. I have found AA very useful, so I am going to tell you a little about my experience with it.

Regardless the critics, I would encourage you to give AA a shot or three. Many people with far worse alcohol issues than you have managed to stay sober that way. Yes, many take several tries before they “get it” and for some it never takes. Every single person I know that has stayed sober with AA has tried many times without it and failed, usually sooner than later. It is absolutely true that there is selection bias at work here. The people I meet at AA meetings are mostly the people for whom AA works. It seems to me that the thing that separates the newcomers that succeed from those that fail is mostly a matter of humility vs. pride. If you think you are too good to hang out with a bunch of dried out alcoholics, you are probably right. If you are willing to talk about the time you were so drunk you shit your pants, then AA can probably keep you sober.

First off, it is cheap. That means if it takes more than one try to figure out how to make it work for you, then you can still afford it…this is in stark contrast to many treatment programs. The cost is whatever you choose throw in when they pass the basket, and nobody is going to force you to keep going to meetings if they are not for you. The basic text is “Alcoholics Anonymous” (AKA The Big Book). Most groups have them available at low cost (currently $9) and many will work something out if you can’t even come up with that. Nobody is getting rich, and only a few hired staff at regional levels are making any money at all out of AA. I have never heard of anyone in any local group being compensated at all. Anyone who claims AA is a financial scam or in any way motivated by money is full of shit, full stop. If you decide after a while that AA is bullshit, you might be out $100 or so. If you just did a mental calculation as to how many bottles of booze you could buy for $100, then you really need to find an AA meeting.

Second, I would say maybe 20% of AA is not drinking. Of the 12 steps, it is the first three. The rest is learning how to live and deal with life in such a way that you don’t need, or even want to drink. The middle six steps are mostly about dealing with your past mistakes and behavior, fixing what is fixable, and putting the rest behind you. This is important because many alcoholics will drink over the shame and guilt of their past. The remaining three steps are about dealing with the present in such a way that you don’t accumulate the emotional baggage that will eventually lead you back to alcohol.

As has been suggested, maybe try big meetings at first where you can get lost in a crowd, and you will likely hear other people telling your story. AA groups vary, in some cases a lot, so if one meeting creeps you out, don’t think they are all the same, and you can attend as many as you like. Most groups can give you a schedule of all the local meetings. You will be amazed at how many there are in all but the smallest towns (which will probably still have at least one a week somewhere). The most common meeting format is open discussion. Your spouse could come to those, either for support or to satisfy his curiosity…though he would be discouraged from sharing at most. Closed means only alcoholics can attend. Speaker meeting is one person telling their story. A few meetings are men or women only, some Gay/Lesbian, etc.

The God thing gives lots of people trouble. You will hear a lot about God and higher powers and such at AA meetings, yet nobody is going to walk you out if you don’t believe, and certainly not because you don’t accept any particular religion. It would probably cause trouble if you were to criticize someone else’s beliefs is all, and you will occasionally run across someone like that, or who wants to tell you how great Jesus is…so kind of like your average bar, in other words! The diversity of AA folks is one of the things I like about it. I dither back and forth between humanism and hard atheism and am fairly open about it, and have yet to have a problem. I do attend, actually joined in fact, a Unitarian Church, so maybe the fact that I can occasionally mention something I heard at church keeps them off my case. Whatever.

Most alcoholics want to become “normal drinkers”. They want to be able to have a drink or two “just to take the edge off.” AA really can’t help you with that. Though AA groups vary a lot, you will find unanimous agreement that the only way to stop getting drunk is to stop drinking completely. The mental model that works for me is that I have an alcoholic inside me that is emotionally about 3-4 years old. It is my job to keep that toddler out of trouble, and one drink sends my parenting skills to hell, and then I have a 3 year old running the show, and he wants another drink.

If you do go to meetings, you will be encouraged to “get a sponsor.” A sponsor is a mentor of your choosing that helps and guides you. The first time I went to AA 20 years ago, I didn’t do very well picking a sponsor. He wasn’t drinking, but had integrity issues related to fidelity to his wife…not a good example for me. Anyway, I’d suggest you look for a sponsor you feel comfortable being open with, yet someone who won’t fall for your bullshit when you try to bullshit them: “No, no, I’m fine, really!”

That good feeling when you don’t drink? You can feel like that all the time, and it keeps getting better. In my case it took about a month for most of the physical and mental effects of my drinking to wear off. After being sober for a month I started having problems with day-dreaming too much. The alcohol had kept me from doing it at all, and I had to learn to consciously pay enough attention to my surroundings again. After that, things slowed down a little, but I was still noticeably improving for another couple of months. So about three months before all the physical and mental effects of my drinking were behind me.

Excellent thought, if not quite true. I would estimate that about 10000 traffic fatalities each year are alcohol or drug related in some way. Over 50000 Americans, alone, died in the vietnam war. Probably a million vietnamese, or more.

I wish the politicians back then had all spent more time drinking and less time making war.

This thread is a year old, however it’s worth it – how are you now, **baileygrrrl **?

It could be noted, as well, that according to WIKI reference, the death rate per mile traveled today is only 20% of what it was during the Vietnam era, late '60’s, early 70’s.

Startlingly, almost 10000 fewer people per year are dying in American traffic accidents than just 10 years ago. Damn those government regulations about vehicle safety! Why should they tell us how to build cars?

Wow, I can’t believe it’s been a year since I posted this. Really puts things in perspective for me.

I wish my update was that I am clean and sober, but at least it’s not all bad.

I found a program run by my local hospital that deals with addictions and concurrent disorders which has proven to be a great fit for me. They are helping me address my anxiety and depression issues as well as the drinking.

I first reached out to them in the summer, and after many excuses and procrastinating, I am scheduled for an day treatment program with them in January. I have yet to tell my work, but I am not too worried about that.

I also finally got up the nerve to attend my first meeting about a month ago, and it went pretty well. It’s a women only group and it took me four meetings before I was able to utter a word but I’m slowly, VERY slowly starting to open up. I’ve never gotten on well with women and I always feel like the weirdo in the room, but I’m trying. I’m a bit socially awkward and I’ve always used alcohol to give me the courage to get through social events in the past.

I’m not sober yet, but I am on a taper plan to get off the codeine and I am almost there. The alcohol is still a battle but I am starting to see that it is possible to live sober. This is going to be a very long process but I’m on board.

My husband has also started to attend al-anon meetings and he has completely turned around and is supporting me 100% as long as I continue to move forward.

I can’t believe it’s been a whole year since my OP. Wow.

Good to hear, baileygrrrl.

Sounds like you’re moving in the right direction.

My son, who managed to kick an opioid dependency a few years back, relapsed into alcohol abuse. I was unaware of this until he called me from the hospital. He went to work a couple of weeks ago and his fellow employees asked him why his skin and eyes were yellow. He went into the bathroom to pee, and his urine was brown. His boss sent him home and he went to the ER of the clinic in their town. They took a look at him and shipped him over to a hospital in Minneapolis.

After many blood draws he was diagnosed with acute hepatitis related to chronic alcoholism; he was hospitalized for nearly a week. His doctors told him the time was upon him to either quit what he’s been doing to himself or to die. No middle ground. AA is a joke for him, so he has gotten himself into an in-patient treatment center where he will spend an isolated month trying to make sense of what it is that drives him to his self-destructive behavior.

I’m glad you’ve found a place that can treat you. If you can’t fix the way you think, you can’t fix the problem.

Hi bailygrrrl, I ended my addiction to alcohol and benzos 7 years ago. Life is so much better on the other side. This can be done, I’m living proof. You can do this. Know it.

My sister was there four - maybe five - years ago and has been sober since. Being told she would die if she continued to drink and there was no way an alcoholic was getting a liver off the transplant list was the wakeup call that did it for her. There had been several less successful trips through rehab before that.

She always thought she didn’t drink “that much.” And apparently, compared to some, she really didn’t - but everyone’s body has a different tolerance for abuse.

You are in my thoughts.